jomarr Posted January 9 Posted January 9 This is the first thread in a very long time that is pop girl related where 98% of the comments are dragging the **** out of the OP he deserves it tho. this is such a ******* dumb thread. britney is a legend. just deal with it honey and go get a job. given ur competencies here's a link to a possible job match: https://www.pmc.com/join-our-team/ 8 1
heckinglovato Posted January 9 Posted January 9 On 1/9/2025 at 7:50 AM, itshyolee said: How is that crazy when both lists went by different rules? Regardless she's still in the top 10 while Demi will always be below Selena Gomez. Expand Amazing comeback
Bookmark99 Posted January 9 Posted January 9 lol the way singles were calculated then was completely different you have a lot of so-called #1 hits now that nobody knows 4 1
Assassin Posted January 9 Posted January 9 On 1/8/2025 at 9:46 PM, A-V-XYZ said: Where are those albums now? Yeah, in bargain bins lol. I know Britney's your fave but be realistic. Expand You are an Xtina stan. Pipe down. 3
ericcartman Posted January 9 Posted January 9 No these lists just prove that charts don't always correlate with impact. While Britney's impact is definitely overstated by her fans in stanworld, after Beyonce she is one of the most impactful this century. And similar to Beyonce, the lack of chart success doesn't take away from that.
Jay07 Posted January 9 Posted January 9 Another Swiftie being unable to grasp that impact can go beyond numbers and stats. What a shocker. 1 5 1
swissman Posted January 9 Posted January 9 (edited) Not really. If you have to rely on charts or numbers to ascertain Britney Spears' cultural and musical worth, then you clearly either weren't around during her heyday or weren't paying attention. This Billboard list should have no bearing on an artist's worth or greatness...which is why Billboard FIRST put out a list that had to do exactly with that, a list where Britney placed at #6. Even statistically, it's very odd to know that Britney Spears' debut and sophomore albums are both diamond-selling, but because she's not higher on this list, she was just vibes. Edited January 9 by swissman 4 4
swissman Posted January 9 Posted January 9 (edited) On 1/8/2025 at 9:01 PM, heckinglovato said: No, Beyoncé is Edit: because to be number ONE then end up at #7 is actually crazier Expand Well Beyoncé was #1 on the greatest list in part because she is the seventh biggest Billboard artist of the 21st century, as well as being the lead singer of the 41st biggest act despite their last album coming out in 2004. And for over 50% of the 21st century so far, Beyoncé has not focused very hard on charts. Is that vibes? Perhaps in some way, because she made her greatness less about quantifiable data and more about artistic expression and output as well as cultural impact and industry-shifting strategies. To deny her greatness because she's *gasp*, six spots away from the top of a commercial-focused list is incredibly silly, especially when Billboard was clear that the Greatness list isn't only about sales or charts. Edited January 9 by swissman 2 3
Giorgoc Posted January 9 Posted January 9 On 1/8/2025 at 9:51 PM, IsidoraMarí said: If you were cognisant in the early 2000s you wouldn't be asking why. They media frenzy Britney had in those days makes Taylor's current run look bland. We can call it vibes if you want but if the media frenzy that her stardom caused hadn't driven her into a dark depression Britney very well could've and should've been one of the best selling artists of all time. Expand To be fair, Taylor's current run IS bland. On topic tho, Britney is one of the most iconic and celebrated females in music. There's no list that can undo that, like it or not. She was everywhere during the late '90s and '00s up until she started releasing mediocre music around 2011 (which ironically bagged her a #1). Had the conservatorship not happened, I fully believe she'd still be releasing music rn and enjoying at least decent success. 1
PoisonPill Posted January 10 Posted January 10 Not the OP unintentionally praising Britney while trying to drag her She only needed five years from ages 17-22 to become a legend and achieve as much (or more) than her peers could in 25+ years 2
Polgg48 Posted January 10 Posted January 10 you could say that if you focus on her femme fatale era to now where everything was frontloaded by army mass i-tune buy and radio requests. arguments make sense if you think HIAM TIWE or evn WB are legitimate hits otherwise no way that i got that fake vibe from stans over scream & shout which was organic as its chart run. biggest? she is easy target to claim that title but not totally back by industry to push her further into 10s career, reminder she is never industry fav at first place and hustled until she made it today as IG main meme girl. ot: chris brown
ArtDeco Posted January 10 Posted January 10 Sadly she couldn't keep up with the pace of career longevity, I think if she hadn't spent time with Paris and Lindsay she would've been okay. Culturally she did that though, I must say 1 1
BGKC Posted January 10 Posted January 10 (edited) Tbh I consider Rihanna to be the one who carried with total vibes. She's the "coolest" anyway. When she first came out with Pon De Replay it seemed as though she'd be a one hit wonder much like Nina Sky with "Move Ya Body" of the sort. The type of songs that are purely vibe based. The way she was churning out album after album, hit after hit, it seemed as though her label/producers were capitalizing on her vibe until she eventually became the fashion icon/legend she is today. She was never the greatest album seller with the most loyal fan base, she was always just universally appealing enough to sell hits like hot cakes. Britney was a lot more than just a vibe upon arrival. She was instantly the princess of pop and has been riding on that title for a long time despite the major commercial decline. Edited January 10 by BGKC 1
Teen Spirit Posted January 10 Posted January 10 On 1/8/2025 at 9:48 PM, BnPac said: The BB list is heavily relying on Hot 100 and since now BB200 is almost like the Hot 100, it makes sense. Frankly I don't find their top so representative. There's no way people here actually believe that Post Malone and The Weekend are bigger than Eminem and Britney. The whole top 10, at the exception of Beyoncé and Usher, is full of artists who had either a huge era with extreme longevity in the single department during the streaming era or reached their peak during the streaming era. It is just not realistic. Expand Both are bigger ATM.
Trash Posted January 10 Posted January 10 On 1/10/2025 at 5:22 AM, Polgg48 said: you could say that if you focus on her femme fatale era to now where everything was frontloaded by army mass i-tune buy and radio requests. arguments make sense if you think HIAM TIWE or evn WB are legitimate hits otherwise no way that i got that fake vibe from stans over scream & shout which was organic as its chart run. biggest? she is easy target to claim that title but not totally back by industry to push her further into 10s career, reminder she is never industry fav at first place and hustled until she made it today as IG main meme girl. ot: chris brown Expand You know what? I've never actually heard a Chris Brown song other than his collab with Tinashe, and that wasn't even a hit, just me exploring Tinashe's catalogue. That said, some of my anglophone friends seem to know his music, so his success is probably very US based 1
SoJro101 Posted January 10 Posted January 10 "Vibes" feels like a slur at this point. LAME - Say it with your chest OP!! 1
CocoPouf Posted January 10 Posted January 10 On 1/8/2025 at 9:25 PM, UseYourIllusion2002 said: Because she didn't do that great on the Hot 100, which isn't her fault. Her record label wouldn't release CD Singles for any of her songs, hence their weak charting performance. For example, Oops! (single) "only" peaked at #9 due to the strength of radio points only. Her label focused on album sales instead, giving her two diamond albums, and two other albums that are around 4-5x platinum. Another example, here is part of Christina Aguilera's "Come on Over" Hot 100 chart run: 18-11-11-9-9-9-11-1-1-1-1 The song originally peaked at #9 and fell out of the top 10. But then, her record label released a CD single prompting the song to jump from #11-#1, where it stayed for a month. So at the end of the day, Jive not releasing CD singles for Britney helped her gain multiple Diamond albums, but her Billboard success was then hindered. Expand Only logical answer in this thread. Britney's label was focused on selling albums, and they did. Don't see why everyone here is playing mindgames about it. 2
CocoPouf Posted January 10 Posted January 10 On 1/8/2025 at 11:00 PM, Scandalous said: as a britney stan since BOMT when i got older and started paying attention to charts (around blackout era) i was so shocked at how low so many of her singles charted on the Hot 100. all of her singles, even the floppiest ones, were played on radio all the time (plus her videos always smashed on TRL) so I assumed they were all massive hits we throw around how much harder it was in that era to get a #1 single and Britney is the prime example of that. she was THE most famous popstar for years yet even she struggled to get top 10 hits even though those songs felt ubiquitous and are very well remembered by pop fans Oops and ITZ eras only having one (barely) top 10 single, Britney era's biggest hit peaking #27 and only having 2 charting songs overall while those were her prime eras…yet HIAM and 3 were #1 hits Expand No, it wasn't. Wondering your opinion about Xtina's. But assuming you are a Britney stan, then obviously it was easy to get a number one for that era for Xtina and "hard for Britney" (?). In reality, as another user already said, it wasn't hard - it was a label move. Britney's team was focused on selling albums, which they did and she has 2 diamond albums. Others can't relate to that. 1
Scandalous Posted January 10 Posted January 10 (edited) On 1/10/2025 at 6:18 PM, CocoPouf said: No, it wasn't. Wondering your opinion about Xtina's. But assuming you are a Britney stan, then obviously it was easy to get a number one for that era for Xtina and "hard for Britney" (?). In reality, as another user already said, it wasn't hard - it was a label move. Britney's team was focused on selling albums, which they did and she has 2 diamond albums. Others can't relate to that. Expand nah I stanned both Brit and Legend X yeah like another user said X's label actually bothered to release physical singles to push them on charts while Jive did nothing. it's kinda baffling in retrospect why they didn't put more effort into the charting of her singles when she was such a HUGE force and could've easily had a few more #1 hits (especially in Oops era), but again even with their lower chart peaks she still has more iconic and remembered songs than most artists of that period Edited January 10 by Scandalous 1
Jay07 Posted January 10 Posted January 10 (edited) It feels weird that people talk about singles and literally ignore that she has 2 diamond albums back to back (which were much more profitable). What is vibes about that? But whatever fits a narrative I guess. Edited January 10 by Jay07 3 1
mike_int Posted January 10 Posted January 10 Imagine how ignorant you must be to question impact and success of Britney Spears in whole decade of pop music 2
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