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[prettyinpink940]

5 hours ago, Witnessed ET said:

Why is there a new SNSD argument every other week 

anyway, I did know about kpop as early as 2005 as I was still in asia at the time, but this moment after a few years made me intrigued about SNSD a bit ngl: 

 

I remember during this press conference, the woman in the McDonalds outfit was like "I'm really excited to be here with... K-Pop." Like this dumb ***** didn't even bother to ask who she's sharing the stage with. 

[Save-Me-Oprah]

 

 

[Save-Me-Oprah]

he is so cute, we CAN'T lose him to the military soon

 

 

[Xalric]

46 minutes ago, prettyinpink940 said:

I remember during this press conference, the woman in the McDonalds outfit was like "I'm really excited to be here with... K-Pop." Like this dumb ***** didn't even bother to ask who she's sharing the stage with. 

In retrospect, when you look at all the features and collab did with SNSD with Western artists, none of them actually really wanted it.

Katy Perry calling them Kpop.

Snoop Dogg dragged them as soon he collected his cheques.
Wiz Khalifa didn't even know Teyon's name...

 

The only ones that really was here for it was the Black Eyed Peas and SM pulled the plug last minute. Because they probably didn't want CL sharing the stage with them.

[Windy Day]

1 hour ago, Pluto6 said:

"Lining up for some awful boy group's merch" 

 

Meanwhile the same boy group is having more daily streams than your favorite group and their entire company roster COMBINED  Oh Stray Global don't end SM like that

aespa and stray kids have the same amount of monthly listeners. the only difference is that one of them has a fanbase full of zombie streamers 

 

add to that the fact that aespa has MILLIONS of unique listeners in korea while stray kids has... 80k unique listeners... i'm pretty sure aespa is actually more global

 

 hihi

[Pluto6]

8 hours ago, Windy Day said:

SNSD were headlining and drawing crowds in the same venues as today's biggest kpop groups… a DECADE and a half earlier… and that's when nobody knew what tf kpop was

The way this is a lie. Are you trolling or are you just delusional?  Like I need to know who you are talking about when you refer to "today's biggest kpop groups" cause you're setting SNSD up.

 

And y'all are holding on to that mADiSOn sQUarE gArdEn for your whole life, while it wasn't even an SNSD concert but an SMtown concert.

 

SNSD was not headlining the same kinds of venues as today's biggest K-pop acts. Where are the sold-out stadiums? The global arena tours? Global festivals? They weren't pulling 20k+ audiences across continents. Let's not rewrite history to cope.

 

Yes, they were popular for the time, and absolutely iconic in Asia, but outside of that? Their Western impact was limited especially compared to groups that came after them. 

You can respect what they did without pretending they were doing what acts like BTS, BLACKPINK, TWICE or Stray Kids etc. are doing now, because they simply weren't.

 

7 hours ago, Ubermensch said:

@Eternium isn't being delulu they're just phrasing it in a flamebaity way. SNSD was able to build a small but steady fanbase in the west and their popularity allowed SM to book Madison Square Garden, which was the very first time any Korean entertainment company directly worked with a major western live event promoter, this along with their popularity on digital music platforms, YouTube, and their one off distribution deal for The Boys were the first time major corporate interest in kpop started here. Korean acts have been occasionally garnering success in the US since the Kim Sisters hit #7 in the 60s, none of them could ever translate those quick hits into steady careers no matter how high profile their promotions were(the Kim Sisters performed on the biggest TV show in America, for example). Then, just as now, the small western SNSD base was ludicrously dedicated to our favs and the ENTIRE western kpop fan culture popped up around them.

 

Big Bang/2NE1(they share a single fanbase to this day) took this western success even further than SNSD could as others noted, but it was off the back of soshi's hype. I know this because I am from that generation of kpop fans. The GD&TOP album got me into kpop as a preteen and the vast, vast majority of kpop fans were sone. At first VIP/Blackjack were like a side-fandom of sone in this part of the world.

 

There was not even a legal way to consume most kpop in the US before SNSD. Other groups past second gen became more popular here but it was off the back of SNSD. SNSD'S English debut wasn't just an attempt at crossing over, it was making products to satisfy an existing but small fanbase who was ready to devour anything they did. Anybody who is actually successful in life(foreign concept to anti-sone I know) will tell you that your first big break is always the hardest because you're starting from 0 momentum.

 

Yes WG, BoA, and Rain all tried in the preceeding years, but it didn't work. The appetite for them wasn't there. They also didn't bring kpop fan culture over with them(mainly because it didn't even exist before 2nd gen with SNSD inventing photocards, GD inventing gimmick album packaging and lightsticks, etc), SNSD did. Sone were the ones who made subtitled variety and re-uploaded music shows widely popular enough that the concept of idol variety or of Korean music shows started to stick and became a regular part of Korean music consumption in the west, instead of something the most dedicated basement dwellers did in small groups scattered across the internet. Every group to sell a single cd or concert ticket on American soil is indebted to Girls' Generation and their uniquely organic success.

 

 

You guys are actively erasing the history of this thing that we all love everytime you try to gaslight one of the old heads because you swear TikTok made you a bigger expert on things that we actually lived through.

You can honor SNSD's legacy without inflating their Western impact into something it simply wasn't. No one is denying they had fans in the West or that they were part of laying the groundwork for what K-pop is in general, that's well documented and deserves credit. But this idea that they invented the Western K-pop fandom experience or that everyone else is "indebted" to them is simply not true. 

 

 

6 hours ago, Eternium said:

And that's the tea. Absolute hideous Z-listers like BTS had their careers paid for by Hitman Bang's cousin's company. BlackPink's career was paid for by 2NE1's success. The only girls who can say they had organic success like EXO, TWICE and Red Velvet have already seen their careers get eaten alive by 4th gen icons like IVE, Aespa and NewJeans. But ATRL is so full of weebs with nostalgia for third gen that we have to humor them constantly.

And you're still a D-list poster invested in some D-list frauds. Imagine being a BTS fan and thinking your opinion matters.  

Calling BTS "Z-Listers" is insane,  when the LEAST popular member literally just sold out 2 BMO stadium dates in the US the other day. Like the level of coping mechanism 

 

And none of the 4th gen ggs are on TWICE's level either  

 

 

3 hours ago, Windy Day said:

 

to this day, SNSD, who had absolutely NO presence outside of asia, is still the only kpop group in history that served c unt at the madison square garden... more than a decade ago... 

 

That was for SMTWON Live in NYC in 2011, a joint concert with multiple SM artists, not a solo SNSD achievement. Yes, it was maybe a milestone, but let's not pretend SNSD headlined the Garden on their own.

 

[Windy Day]

6 minutes ago, Pluto6 said:

The way this is a lie. Are you trolling or are you just delusional?  Like I need to know who you are talking about when you refer to "today's biggest kpop groups" cause you're setting SNSD up.

 

And y'all are holding on to that mADiSOn sQUarE gArdEn for your whole life, while it wasn't even an SNSD concert but an SMtown concert.

 

SNSD was not headlining the same kinds of venues as today's biggest K-pop acts. Where are the sold-out stadiums? The global arena tours? Global festivals? They weren't pulling 20k+ audiences across continents. Let's not rewrite history to cope.

 

Yes, they were popular for the time, and absolutely iconic in Asia, but outside of that? Their Western impact was limited especially compared to groups that came after them. 

You can respect what they did without pretending they were doing what acts like BTS, BLACKPINK, TWICE or Stray Kids etc. are doing now, because they simply weren't.

 

You can honor SNSD's legacy without inflating their Western impact into something it simply wasn't. No one is denying they had fans in the West or that they were part of laying the groundwork for what K-pop is in general, that's well documented and deserves credit. But this idea that they invented the Western K-pop fandom experience or that everyone else is "indebted" to them is simply not true. 

 

 

Calling BTS "Z-Listers" is insane,  when the LEAST popular member literally just sold out 2 BMO stadium dates in the US the other day. Like the level of coping mechanism 

 

And none of the 4th gen ggs are on TWICE's level either  

 

 

That was for SMTWON Live in NYC in 2011, a joint concert with multiple SM artists, not a solo SNSD achievement. Yes, it was maybe a milestone, but let's not pretend SNSD headlined the Garden on their own.

 

no shade but i think your reading comprehension and critical thinking has been deteriorated by all the **** music you listen to

[Ubermensch]

8 minutes ago, Pluto6 said:

this idea that they invented the Western K-pop fandom experience or that everyone else is "indebted" to them is simply not true

It is though. The people that were there are telling you this is the case. There are plenty of other old heads in here that who arent refuting this claim, do the math.

[Windy Day]

also sneaking stray kids in the "biggest kpop group" category when their biggest song has only 400m streams... nod and smile everybody...

[Ubermensch]

19 minutes ago, Pluto6 said:

And none of the 4th gen ggs are on TWICE's level either  

For now, this is correct. Anybody with eyes can see that the major 4th gen GGs are well on track to destroying their career totals though. Idk why you keep denying this argument its literally so delusional. Being outsold by juniors doesn't mean Twix aren't all-time legends, just like them outselling SNSD doesn't strip SNSD's impact. 

 

22 minutes ago, Pluto6 said:

And y'all are holding on to that mADiSOn sQUarE gArdEn for your whole life, while it wasn't even an SNSD concert but an SMtown concert.

Go watch fancams and then come back and tell us that wasn't an SNSD concert. SM used SNSD's popularity to try and kickstart the careers of their other groups over here and start a 2nd hallyu wave(which they successfully did).

 

Even if we want to completely ignore the monumental achievement of SNSD there, one year later Big Bang was selling arenas in the us and posting boxscores on par with ANY major artist. This idea that touring wasn't a big deal for kpop in the west until BTS is a complete fabrication. Dua Lipa is doing less per night in arenas than 2nd gen groups were in western countries 10+ years ago.

 

 

BTS and Black Pink are the only groups that can truly claim to be on a totally different level to their 2nd gen counterparts, and even then its only because of endless media play and sajaegi to prop them up and kickstart their careers in the west, something that would have NEVER happened if Sone did not make the west into a viable market for kpop to seriously expand into.

 

[Ubermensch]

If Big Bang can pull together all 4 members for a 20th anniversary tour next year, a lot of you are going to be very shocked at how popular 2nd gen groups actually were with millenials and older gen z. HYBE and YG really tried to media play us out of existence but even back in my ancient haggard days we were sitting at the lunch table at school and talking about who our favorite member of EXO(mine was Luhan for context of how long ago this was ) is, it was already a well defined niche clear back then. BTS and Black Pink did not pave the way, they represented MASSIVE corporate investment into properly capitalizing on an already existing market.

Edited yesterday at 01:09 PM by Ubermensch

[Windy Day]

2 minutes ago, Ubermensch said:

If Big Bang can pull together all 4 members for a 20th anniversary tour next year, a lot of you are going to be very shocked at how popular 2nd gen groups actually were with millenials and older gen z. HYBE and YG really tried to media play us out of existence but even back in my ancient haggard days we were sitting at the lunch table at school and talking about who our favorite member of EXO is. BTS and Black Pink did not pave the way, they represented MASSIVE corporate investment into properly capitalizing on an already existing market.

 

i literally found this video of fans mass protesting to add another show because SM town in Paris was sold out... in 2011  like i don't think people realize how different the music industry and media landscape was back then...

[thirdward]

funny how stray kids blew up when bts started going to the army 

[Darkling]

I was not gonna comment anything because I'm tired of that ass argument of ENHYPEN bullying Sunoo made by solo Sunoo stans projecting their own insecutiries on him and treating him like the token victim when we do not know anything about these people or their relationships, but as some of you are doing a bit too much about it maybe it's time you held basically every group in history accountable for bullying or fatshaming and not only ENHYPEN. You are welcome.

 

 

I hate to bring these proofs and possibily fuel the hate boners gg stans have towards bgs, but it had to be done and anyway KIOF scandal this week showed that they are not free of guilt either so whatever

 

Edited yesterday at 01:26 PM by Darkling

[Pluto6]

32 minutes ago, Windy Day said:

aespa and stray kids have the same amount of monthly listeners. the only difference is that one of them has a fanbase full of zombie streamers 

 

add to that the fact that aespa has MILLIONS of unique listeners in korea while stray kids has... 80k unique listeners... i'm pretty sure aespa is actually more global

 

 hihi

The difference is that Stray kids have a way bigger global fanbase who actually listens to their ENTIRE discography and not just their quick little singles, hence why aespa's b-sides are struggling to surpass 10M streams 

 

Anyways, look at the "zombie streamers" a few hours ago  This is something aespa will never be able to achieve globally btw 

 

If aespa is "more global," why aren't they pulling the same international numbers on tours, streams, sales, or engagement outside of Korea? Be serious. Let's not downplay the reality

 

Stray Kids literally have more streams on just 1 platform (Spotify) than aespa have across all audio streaming platforms COMBINED. So when you actually combine aespa's streaming numbers across Spotify, MelOn, Youtube audio + every other audio streaming platform in the world, they still have less streams than Stray Kids' Spotify numbers alone 

 

aespa across all audio platforms (Spotify + MelOn + YouTube audio + Genie etc.) - 9,5B streams

 

 

Stray Kids across all audio platforms (Spotify + MelOn + YouTube audio + Genie etc.) - 22,2B streams (Stray Kids on Spotify alone - 10,3B streams )

 

3 minutes ago, Windy Day said:

also sneaking stray kids in the "biggest kpop group" category when their biggest song has only 400m streams... nod and smile everybody...

The level of coping mechanism   aespa will never be the global group you want them to be. 

 

Sweetie, the objective numbers are literally there which are pointing out the fact that Stray Kids are indeed among the biggest Kpop groups of all time  

[Windy Day]

18 minutes ago, Ubermensch said:

Go watch fancams and then come back and tell us that wasn't an SNSD concert. SM used SNSD's popularity to try and kickstart the careers of their other groups over here and start a 2nd hallyu wave(which they successfully did).

like i think it should be clear just by seeing how they were the only kpop group to be invited on TV everywhere they went

[Gorjesspazze9]

People still really trying to act like SNSD wasn't literally the BTS of thier time 

 

[Ubermensch]

13 minutes ago, Windy Day said:

 

i literally found this video of fans mass protesting to add another show because SM town in Paris was sold out... in 2011  like i don't think people realize how different the music industry and media landscape was back then...

CL brought out 2NE1 for 3 minutes at Coachella and it was objectively the most discussed moment of the entire festival by any metric, almost a decade after their last album. Gangnam Style only happened because the kpop fans were already  there to hype up the video and show it to people. 3rd gen stans literally have worms for brains. Any kind of critical thinking about the past events they do know about or about the 2nd gen related events that have happened recently would lead to the very obvious answers here. 

 

 

 

Here's a video of SNSD winning the top award at an American awards show. This ceremony had performances from Eminem, Gaga, and Tyler too. They sat there and watched Tiffany collect her little trophy.

 

 

The **** do you mean SNSD wasn't a big deal? 

Edited yesterday at 01:27 PM by Ubermensch

[Windy Day]

2 minutes ago, Pluto6 said:

The difference is that Stray kids have a way bigger global fanbase who actually listens to their ENTIRE discography and not just their quick little singles, hence why aespa's b-sides are struggling to surpass 10M streams 

 

Anyways, look at the "zombie streamers" a few hours ago  This is something aespa will never be able to achieve globally btw 

 

If aespa is "more global," why aren't they pulling the same international numbers on tours, streams, sales, or engagement outside of Korea? Be serious. Let's not downplay the reality

 

Stray Kids literally have more streams on just 1 platform (Spotify) than aespa have across all audio streaming platforms COMBINED. So when you actually combine aespa's streaming numbers across Spotify, MelOn, Youtube audio + every other audio streaming platform in the world, they still have less streams than Stray Kids' Spotify numbers alone 

 

aespa across all audio platforms (Spotify + MelOn + YouTube audio + Genie etc.) - 9,5B streams

 

 

Stray Kids across all audio platforms (Spotify + MelOn + YouTube audio + Genie etc.) - 22,2B streams (Stray Kids on Spotify alone - 10,3B streams )

 

The level of coping mechanism   aespa will never be the global group you want them to be. 

 

Sweetie, the objective numbers are literally there which are pointing out the fact that Stray Kids are indeed among the biggest Kpop groups of all time  

the massive meltdown just because newjeans, lesserafim, ive and aespa soon all have songs with more streams than stray kids on spotify and aren't z listers pedestrians in their home country 

[Windy Day]

2 minutes ago, Ubermensch said:

CL brought out 2NE1 for 3 minutes at Coachella and it was objectively the most discussed moment of the entire festival by any metric, almost a decade after their last album. Gangnam Style only happened because the kpop fans were already  there to hype up the video and show it to people. 3rd gen stans literally have worms for brains. Any kind of critical thinking about the past events they do know about or about the 2nd gen related events that have happened recently would lead to the very obvious answers here. 

 

 

 

Here's a video of SNSD winning the top award at an American awards show. This ceremony had performances from Eminem, Gaga, and Tyler too. They sat there and watched Tiffany collect her little trophy.

 

 

The **** do you mean SNSD wasn't a big deal? 

nnnnn that traumatic night to be a gaga stan 

 

not only did she had a pluto6-sized meltdown on stage, she lost her manager, ARTPOP leaked, AND SNSD beat her for video of the year 

[Pluto6]

3 minutes ago, Windy Day said:

the massive meltdown just because newjeans, lesserafim, ive and aespa soon all have songs with more streams than stray kids on spotify and aren't z listers pedestrians in their home country 

Why are you as a non korean worried about whether Stray Kids are popular in their home country or not, when they still managed to become one of the biggest kpop acts of all time globally 

 

Edited yesterday at 01:31 PM by Pluto6

[Gorjesspazze9]

5 minutes ago, Ubermensch said:

 

The **** do you mean SNSD wasn't a big deal? 

Sometimes I see these type of comments on Twitter and I'm just like…. How do you even say this about the Madonna's of Kpop?  
Quick GG comeback and remind them who built this 

[Ubermensch]

 

This is the US iTunes chart in 2012. This is pre-streaming and peak digital sales so this was BY FAR the most important album chart in the entire world at the time. You could only ever buy an album ONE time on iTunes too, there were no streaming farm or bulk buy workarounds here.

Edited yesterday at 01:33 PM by Ubermensch

[youresotoxic]

 

@DelRey this version is so cute  love how they did this

[starstruckaj]

5 minutes ago, Ubermensch said:

CL brought out 2NE1 for 3 minutes at Coachella and it was objectively the most discussed moment of the entire festival by any metric. Gangnam Style only happened because the kpop fans were already  there to hype up the video and show it to people. 3rd gen stans literally have worms for brains. 

 

 

 

Here's a video of SNSD winning the top award at an American awards show. This ceremony had performances from Eminem, Gaga, and Tyler too. They sat there and watched Tiffany collect her little trophy.

 

 

The **** do you mean SNSD wasn't a big deal? 

The way I remember this being a Lil Monster back then (stream Starstruck by Gags) and was confused when this random Korean group won because I thought she had it in the bag 

 

It was between that and I Am The Best being used in the Surface Pro 3 commercial, the 2nd gen girlies absolutely set the groundwork for K-pop to be big as it is globally now. Let's not water down their impact just because 3rd/4th gen were literally everywhere afterwards.