fan base K-Pop: Kai (EXO) Serves Sl*tty Waist, Summer Body in Pre-Release Comeback

[Dialamba]

2 hours ago, Eternium said:

Maybe English isn't your first language but if it is, damn, you're illiterate. I spoke on organic success. SNSD was the first K-pop group to have a large presence in the West and ended up popularizing the channels we use now to distribute albums. The only reason forums like these have K-pop sections is because Western fans were drawn to SNSD. 
 

Psy had a viral moment and a follow-up frontloaded hit, but failed to maintain momentum or create a fanbase. His song was big, but he wasn't. BP had YG paying for video views to make them large and BTS has been exposed by their own company for using payola, album buybacks and paid-for viral marketing to establish their careers. This is not the same thing as launching an organic career.

I know that we have to credit 2nd gen groups but just because most kpop fans grew up with 3rd gen groups means we have to rewrite history. SNSD had no presence outside of Asia 

BTS are and even Korea agrees that they're the biggest K-pop group all of time

 

Big Hit ≠ HYBE Hybe invested in payola thanks to BTS, BTS had shitty playlists and no radio deal until dynamite. 

[harrythevifan]

2 hours ago, Xalric said:

The way BEP is pushing her.  

She's the only one with the backup dancers too. 
Watching all their tiktoks you'd think it's her solo debut.

Watch enough stages and it becomes overwhelming how "Bebe" is really Sieun (feat. J).  Kinda reminds me of that one Elris promo that was a salvaged Sohee solo project.

 

[Joseline]

5 hours ago, Bewitched said:

I understand that the KSH Saeron scandal has triggered Sulli's brother but I really do hope he just sticks to defending Sulli without bringing up other ppl. 
 

 

He had to talk I guess c'use Pann girls making conspiracy theories about how IU recommended the same psychiatric hospital to Jonghyun, Sulli, Goo Hara and now Kim Saeron shortly before their deaths for a while now. Knetz are speculating that three out of the four saw the same psychiatrist. Apparently two of them were diagnosed with Multiple Personality Disorder and two suffered from memory loss. And Jonghyun named the psychiatrist in his will. Knetz are asking how many more people have to die before this hospital and psychiatrist are investigated? And quite a few are side-eyeing IU because of that.

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[harrythevifan]

Speaking of music shows, you really need to watch them live because there is no other way you would experience these things back-to-back-to-back, without even the reprieve of a preroll ad.

 

 

Even the youtube algorithm shows some mercy.

 

[Pluto6]

4th gen leaders are about to make history as usual Truly one of the biggest and most global Kpop acts of all time 

 

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[Joseline]

 

[Joseline]

 

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[Eternium]

2 hours ago, Dialamba said:

I know that we have to credit 2nd gen groups but just because most kpop fans grew up with 3rd gen groups means we have to rewrite history. SNSD had no presence outside of Asia 

BTS are and even Korea agrees that they're the biggest K-pop group all of time

 

Big Hit ≠ HYBE Hybe invested in payola thanks to BTS, BTS had shitty playlists and no radio deal until dynamite. 

"SNSD had no presence outside of Asia." You know I'm American, right? I was there at SM Town Live 2011 and their iconic Best Buy Theater fanmeet that spilled out into the streets. They didn't have radio/label support, but they did have a sizable fanbase who was importing their albums and supporting them. The network of K-pop album purchasing literally became a thing here because of them. Obviously they could only go so far since they were paving the market, but they're literally the reason we even have threads on American pop forums discussing K-pop.
 

Big Hit and HYBE are both from Hitman Bang. And, despite HYBE being a thing since 2005, none of their acts ever took off, BTS included, until he started using his cousin's funds from Netmarble. BTS have been exposed for using sajaegi in 2015 and 2017 by HYBE employees. MHJ famously, in 2024, exposed how HYBE is still actively participating in sajaegi today.

https://www.pannchoa.com/2024/12/theqoo-other-websites-revealed-proofs.html?m=1

8 minutes ago, Joseline said:

 

On the topic of ENHYPEN, who is Sunoo and why does Twitter think ENHYPEN hates him?

3 hours ago, Xalric said:

 

The way BEP is pushing her.  

She's the only one with the backup dancers too. 
Watching all their tiktoks you'd think it's her solo debut.

She's kind of gagging this era, so I get it. 

[Mitsuki]

On 4/3/2025 at 4:39 PM, Pluto6 said:

Over 55K people confirmed attending their single Rio De Janeiro concert, and the fact that that the Sao Paolo dates each are going to be even bigger    @Mitsuki

 

 

https://m.entertain.naver.com/article/609/0000971166

 

 

Another smash

 

 

 

[hallucinate]

4 hours ago, Xalric said:

 

The way BEP is pushing her.  

She's the only one with the backup dancers too. 
Watching all their tiktoks you'd think it's her solo debut.

i mean it kinda is considering the amount of lines she has

[hallucinate]

i just love everything about this 

[smates]

45 minutes ago, Eternium said:

I was there at SM Town Live 2011

 

You are still there. 

[Bewitched]

You know I rarely say this bc most of my fav groups are "nugu" but for a song produced by Teddy it's giving nugu song all the way down 

 

which isn't a bad thing bc I like the song just something I noticed. 

[Bewitched]

59 minutes ago, Eternium said:

I was there at SM Town Live 2011

 

 

7 minutes ago, smates said:

You are still there. 

[Katamari]

6 hours ago, Pluto6 said:

The way Kiss Of Life and ENHYPEN are getting skull dragged all over my Twitter feed 

What did EpiPen do  l

KoL deserves tho 

[OrgVisual]

 

No other girlgroups will be able to serve VOCALS the way Red Velvet does; and that's why they will always remain the Queens in my heart  

 

[Katamari]

2 hours ago, Joseline said:

He had to talk I guess c'use Pann girls making conspiracy theories about how IU recommended the same psychiatric hospital to Jonghyun, Sulli, Goo Hara and now Kim Saeron shortly before their deaths for a while now. Knetz are speculating that three out of the four saw the same psychiatrist. Apparently two of them were diagnosed with Multiple Personality Disorder and two suffered from memory loss. And Jonghyun named the psychiatrist in his will. Knetz are asking how many more people have to die before this hospital and psychiatrist are investigated? And quite a few are side-eyeing IU because of that.

I'm not one for conspiracy theories but it is a little weird

 

 

[Save-Me-Oprah]

Things we love: Sunoo and Jungwon

 

[Pluto6]

13 minutes ago, Katamari said:

What did EpiPen do  l

The gay member is apparently getting bullied for his weight by the other members 

[harrythevifan]

21 minutes ago, Bewitched said:

You know I rarely say this bc most of my fav groups are "nugu" but for a song produced by Teddy it's giving nugu song all the way down 

 

which isn't a bad thing bc I like the song just something I noticed. 

On mute, it doesn't look nugu.  They found some girls.  And it sounds like they found some girls, too.  So, muting isn't necessary.

 

Speaking of nugu, there is nothing delivering nuclear power levels of nugu energy like this group is doing right now.

 

 

Brave Bros produced some of the biggest girl groups from the previous decade -- even his own girl group eventually became a phenomenon -- but this effort kinda makes you think he enjoyed life the best when he was toiling in the anonymity of Stellar, Dalshabet, 9muses, HelloVenus, heck, even C-Real.  C-Real?  That might explain some things.

 

 

[Bewitched]

 

[newaespa]

7. REBEL HEART

8. Whiplash

 

the only gg songs in the top 10 right now

[Save-Me-Oprah]

Kai on his new song:

 

 

[Windy Day]

7 hours ago, Dialamba said:

SNSD had no presence outside of Asia 

the way this is a lie. SNSD were headlining and drawing crowds in the same venues as today's biggest kpop groups… a DECADE and a half earlier… and that's when nobody knew what tf kpop was

[Ubermensch]

@Eternium isn't being delulu they're just phrasing it in a flamebaity way. SNSD was able to build a small but steady fanbase in the west and their popularity allowed SM to book Madison Square Garden, which was the very first time any Korean entertainment company directly worked with a major western live event promoter, this along with their popularity on digital music platforms, YouTube, and their one off distribution deal for The Boys were the first time major corporate interest in kpop started here. Korean acts have been occasionally garnering success in the US since the Kim Sisters hit #7 in the 60s, none of them could ever translate those quick hits into steady careers no matter how high profile their promotions were(the Kim Sisters performed on the biggest TV show in America, for example). Then, just as now, the small western SNSD base was ludicrously dedicated to our favs and the ENTIRE western kpop fan culture popped up around them.

 

Big Bang/2NE1(they share a single fanbase to this day) took this western success even further than SNSD could as others noted, but it was off the back of soshi's hype. I know this because I am from that generation of kpop fans. The GD&TOP album got me into kpop as a preteen and the vast, vast majority of kpop fans were sone. At first VIP/Blackjack were like a side-fandom of sone in this part of the world.

 

There was not even a legal way to consume most kpop in the US before SNSD. Other groups past second gen became more popular here but it was off the back of SNSD. SNSD'S English debut wasn't just an attempt at crossing over, it was making products to satisfy an existing but small fanbase who was ready to devour anything they did. Anybody who is actually successful in life(foreign concept to anti-sone I know) will tell you that your first big break is always the hardest because you're starting from 0 momentum.

 

Yes WG, BoA, and Rain all tried in the preceeding years, but it didn't work. The appetite for them wasn't there. They also didn't bring kpop fan culture over with them(mainly because it didn't even exist before 2nd gen with SNSD inventing photocards, GD inventing gimmick album packaging and lightsticks, etc), SNSD did. Sone were the ones who made subtitled variety and re-uploaded music shows widely popular enough that the concept of idol variety or of Korean music shows started to stick and became a regular part of Korean music consumption in the west, instead of something the most dedicated basement dwellers did in small groups scattered across the internet. Every group to sell a single cd or concert ticket on American soil is indebted to Girls' Generation and their uniquely organic success.

 

 

You guys are actively erasing the history of this thing that we all love everytime you try to gaslight one of the old heads because you swear TikTok made you a bigger expert on things that we actually lived through.

Edited 14 hours ago by Ubermensch