base talk Beyoncé halftime show did wonders, Cowboy Carters (+175%) on Spotify and growing

[James_Joint]

7 minutes ago, Lovett said:

You're the one saying that he put the album "on the map", you can't do that without visibility sweetheart. You seem to be really struggling to keep up with this discussion here.

So impact needs visibility to be valid? What is visibility? If visibility means numbers, then yes, "a bar song" out-did Cowboy Carter  but again, I thought we were talking impact, which numbers are not related to. 

Edited December 28, 2024 by James_Joint

[Burn]

10 minutes ago, James_Joint said:

I watched the video and I must have missed where he said Beyoncé's impact is the reason for his success? 

If you really need another example:

 

If you really need it spelling out for you like a child - opening a door = Shaboozey wouldn't be where is today without Beyoncé having done so. He can evidently appreciate that so I'm not sure why you think there's a 'battle' you need to fight on his behalf.

Edited December 28, 2024 by Burn

[Lovett]

1 minute ago, James_Joint said:

So impact needs visibility to be valid? What is visibility? If visibility means numbers, then yes, "a bar song" out-did Cowboy Carter  but again, I thought we were talking impact, which numbers are not related to. 

Oh, dear. This conversation is kicking your ass.  Sweetheart, you said that he put her album on the map, which he couldn't have done without the visibility the album brought and catapulted him into the mainstream spotlight.

 

Nobody said impact needs visibility. Nobody said visibility means numbers. These are statements you've just made up because you can't actually stay on topic.  You need to make sure to read the things people say before trying to reply to them.

[James_Joint]

14 minutes ago, Jay07 said:

So you're using a non objective metric, impact, to claim that objectively, Beyonce has no impact. So you essentially admit that you're talking bullshit.

I didn't say beyonce didn't have impact, I spoke of the impact itself 

[James_Joint]

3 minutes ago, Lovett said:

Oh, dear. This conversation is kicking your ass.  Sweetheart, you said that he put her album on the map, which he couldn't have done without the visibility the album brought and catapulted him into the mainstream spotlight.

 

Nobody said impact needs visibility. Nobody said visibility means numbers. These are statements you've just made up because you can't actually stay on topic.  You need to make sure to read the things people say before trying to reply to them.

Sweetie, my point was that anyone can say "impact" about anything, and because it's a non-measurable, non-objective metric, you can't disprove it.  I heard of Cowboy Carter through Shaboozey and nothing you say can change that 

[Lovett]

1 minute ago, James_Joint said:

Sweetie, my point was that anyone can say "impact" about anything, and because it's a non-measurable, non-objective metric, you can't disprove it.  I heard of Cowboy Carter through Shaboozey and nothing you say can change that 

Impact can absolutely be measurable and objective.  Also, we know damn well that you didn't hear of the album through Shaboozey and even if that were true, that doesn't change the objective and measurable impact it has had on black artists in country music. It's time for you to sit your delusional ass down now.

[James_Joint]

14 minutes ago, Burn said:

If you really need another example:

 

If you really need it spelling out for you like a child - opening a door = Shaboozey wouldn't be where is today without Beyoncé having done so. He can evidently appreciate that so I'm not sure why you think there's a 'battle' you need to fight on his behalf.

Well SZA is more successful than Shaboozey and Rihanna opened the door for her, so Rihanna has more impact than Beyonce, I fear. 

[JonginBey]

3 hours ago, Tusk said:

It's like jumping from the dungeon to the basement. 
 

Congrats, I guess. 

You've occupied both spaces, so we'll take your word for it.

[Rotunda]

38 minutes ago, James_Joint said:

Impact is a non-measurable, non-objective metric.  I could say Shaboozey was the one who put Cowboy Carter on the map, and there's nothing you can say about it.  

Impact is measurable, depending how you choose to contextualize it. Sales, for example, can be a form of impact. 
 

Cowboy Carter had its lead single hit #1 before Shaboozey's involvement with the album was even confirmed. He also got his first two charting entries from Cowboy Carter, so we can deduce that he did not put the album on the map.

[Rotunda]

7 minutes ago, James_Joint said:

Well SZA is more successful than Shaboozey and Rihanna opened the door for her, so Rihanna has more impact than Beyonce, I fear. 

Please don't ever take the LSAT 

[James_Joint]

6 minutes ago, Lovett said:

Impact can absolutely be measurable and objective.  Also, we know damn well that you didn't hear of the album through Shaboozey and even if that were true, that doesn't change the objective and measurable impact it has had on black artists in country music. It's time for you to sit your delusional ass down now.

Sis, I literally had never heard of cowboy Carter until shaboozey introduced me.  The only reason I knew of Shaboozey was because of Tracy Chapman, the female black lesbian country artist who had a country hit in the 80s.  But by all means, I'm sure it was Beyonce.  

[James_Joint]

1 minute ago, Rotunda said:

Please don't ever take the LSAT 

I already passed and graduated college sis 

[James_Joint]

3 minutes ago, Rotunda said:

Impact is measurable, depending how you choose to contextualize it. Sales, for example, can be a form of impact. 
 

Cowboy Carter had its lead single hit #1 before Shaboozey's involvement with the album was even confirmed. He also got his first two charting entries from Cowboy Carter, so we can deduce that he did not put the album on the map.

And Fast Car was by a black female country artist and was a hit in the 80s.  Did she put the foot in the door for Beyonce? 

[Rotunda]

1 minute ago, James_Joint said:

I already passed and graduated college sis 

Yes, the LSAT is an exam for people pursuing law school after completion of their bachelor's. The test covers analytical reasoning skills that are…lacking from you.

[Katamari]

4 hours ago, Devin said:

who cares lol thanks for the update.

 

is that you?

 

ot: good for her  now lets stream renny to celebrate

[Rotunda]

4 minutes ago, James_Joint said:

And Fast Car was by a black female country artist and was a hit in the 80s.  Did she put the foot in the door for Beyonce? 

I'm not sure if I would classify Tracy Chapman as a country artist, as much as someone who was able to score country accolades through a cover of her hit, but yes I think I'd argue that Tracy's ability to defy genre expectations for Black female artists could be impactful to Beyoncé. 

Edited December 28, 2024 by Rotunda

[Lovett]

7 minutes ago, James_Joint said:

Sis, I literally had never heard of cowboy Carter until shaboozey introduced me.  The only reason I knew of Shaboozey was because of Tracy Chapman, the female black lesbian country artist who had a country hit in the 80s.  But by all means, I'm sure it was Beyonce.  

Shaboozey has never worked with Tracy Chapman, so how exactly did you learn of him through her?  The way you're now posting back-to-back comments about Tracy because you clearly just Googled 'black woman country' and are creating this narrative. This is so painfully transparent.  Also, Tracy isn't even a country artist ffs.

[Lovett]

8 minutes ago, James_Joint said:

And Fast Car was by a black female country artist and was a hit in the 80s.  Did she put the foot in the door for Beyonce? 

"Fast Car" isn't a country song, nor was Tracy a country artist. Jesus these trolling attempts are getting more and more pathetic...

[scenekiller]

14 minutes ago, James_Joint said:

The only reason I knew of Shaboozey was because of Tracy Chapman, the female black lesbian country artist who had a country hit in the 80s  

This is the dumbest comment I've read on ATRL in 2024

[James_Joint]

7 minutes ago, Rotunda said:

I'm not sure if I would classify Tracy Chapman as a country artist, as much as someone who was able to score country accolades through a cover of her hit, but yes I think I'd argue that Tracy's ability to defy genre expectations for Black female artists could be impactful to Beyoncé. 

I'm glad we agreed on something  

Edited December 28, 2024 by James_Joint

[Godontop]

I'm loving the Beyonce threads on Atrl. Keep'em  coming gurlz 

[James_Joint]

6 minutes ago, Lovett said:

Shaboozey has never worked with Tracy Chapman, so how exactly did you learn of him through her?  The way you're now posting back-to-back comments about Tracy because you clearly just Googled 'black woman country' and are creating this narrative. This is so painfully transparent.  Also, Tracy isn't even a country artist ffs.

Gorl, I will have you know that I thought of Tracy Chapman myself because I was trying to think of black country artists and my first thought was Kane Brown but idk if he's even black. 

[Lovett]

Just now, James_Joint said:

Gorl, I will have you know that I thought of Tracy Chapman myself because I was trying to think of black country artists and my first thought was Kane Brown but idk if he's even black. 

You were trying to think of black country artists, so you thought of an artist who is not a black country artist? Then you made up lies that she had a country hit in the 80s and she's also how you learnt of Shaboozey, despite him never having worked with her in any capacity?  Mmhmm.

[Badgalbriel]

Well, it's easy growing from nothing 

[James_Joint]

2 minutes ago, Lovett said:

You were trying to think of black country artists, so you thought of an artist who is not a black country artist? Then you made up lies that she had a country hit in the 80s and she's also how you learnt of Shaboozey, despite him never having worked with her in any capacity?  Mmhmm.

Wait, Tracey Chapman is not black? And Kane Brown is or is not?