#SwiftieRac!sm becoming a trend on Twitter/X

[Namie-Knowles]

25 minutes ago, MonsterJohn said:

Sorry are you white? If so I'm not gonna take racial opinion from you 

Oop baby if they white you just got yourself perma-banned with that sentence. RIP. Not saying you wrong but Chile...nice knowing you. 

Edited December 3 by Namie-Knowles

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People still use that app 

[Bloo]

7 hours ago, MonsterJohn said:

Hey that's not my only post got warned regarding this matter you can double check. 

 

And I firmly believe pop star like Taylor is the epitome of white supremacy. How else would a mediocre talent be overly rewarded and worshipped. Not to mention the lack of care for social, environmental issues. 

 

Sorry are you white? If so I'm not gonna take racial opinion from you 

If you are seriously alleging a pop star that writes songs about romance, womanhood, and growing up is the "epitome of White supremacy", then I strongly suggest you log off the Internet and gain a wider perspective.

 

Taylor is an immensely talented artist even if her art is not to your liking. Just leave it at that and keep it moving. Thank you.

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2 hours ago, Bloo said:

If you are seriously alleging a pop star that writes songs about romance, womanhood, and growing up is the "epitome of White supremacy", then I strongly suggest you log off the Internet and gain a wider perspective.

 

Taylor is an immensely talented artist even if her art is not to your liking. Just leave it at that and keep it moving. Thank you.

Immensely is insane. And yes, there is clearly a racial disconnect here. Us as black people are used to Stevie Wonders, Beyoncé, MJs and Whitney's who are so  talented that to even be mentioned next to them when discussing greatness requires you to display some kind of visible greatness. Which is why we are not impressed with Taylor Swift whose biggest talent is not music - it's relatability. 
 

 You all overhype songwriting to the high heavens but the truth is that there are and have been many many many people who can write  lyrics just as good. Whereas the ability to entertain the way the ones I mentioned above do is exceptionally rare. 
 

Taylor  Swift isn't even a Joni Mitchell or a Carol King or a Lauryn Hill in terms of storytelling. She benefits from being - and it's true - a white blue eyed blonde woman who is able to relate to younger women who share her identity and experiences. The only thing she has done to a degree better than anyone besides maybe the Beatles is fan retention and replacing older fans when they age out with younger fans. 

[Popboi.]

11 minutes ago, 45seconds said:

Immensely is insane. And yes, there is clearly a racial disconnect here. Us as black people are used to Stevie Wonders, Beyoncé, MJs and Whitney's who are so  talented that to even be mentioned next to them when discussing greatness requires you to display some kind of visible greatness. Which is why we are not impressed with Taylor Swift whose biggest talent is not music - it's relatability. 
 

 You all overhype songwriting to the high heavens but the truth is that there are and have been many many many people who can write  lyrics just as good. Whereas the ability to entertain the way the ones I mentioned above do is exceptionally rare. 
 

Taylor  Swift isn't even a Joni Mitchell or a Carol King or a Lauryn Hill in terms of storytelling. She benefits from being - and it's true - a white blue eyed blonde woman who is able to relate to younger women who share her identity and experiences. The only thing she has done to a degree better than anyone besides maybe the Beatles is fan retention and replacing older fans when they age out with younger fans. 

Better song writers than her are usually completely disassociated to the pop sphere, or haven't released anything in a very, very, VERY long time like Joni, Carol and Lauryn, so of course they're not brought up in the same conversation. It's not as simple as just throwing the "but she's white and blonde".

[MonsterJohn]

2 hours ago, Bloo said:

If you are seriously alleging a pop star that writes songs about romance, womanhood, and growing up is the "epitome of White supremacy", then I strongly suggest you log off the Internet and gain a wider perspective.

 

Taylor is an immensely talented artist even if her art is not to your liking. Just leave it at that and keep it moving. Thank you.

Lmao please, I grew up in a third world country, have been immigrant lived in 3 countries for the last 11 years , I don't need lectures about gaining a wide perspective. 

 

The fact that you said immensely talented about someone who can't sing, perform and barely has any classics is the epitome of white mediocrity being overly rewarded. 

[Atlantis]

10 minutes ago, MonsterJohn said:

 

 

The fact that you said immensely talented about someone who can't sing, perform and barely has any classics is the epitome of white mediocrity being overly rewarded. 

Right, she's mediocre (at best). Her guitar and piano skills are barely amateur level like.. they are just stage props for her. Doesn't she have co-writers for most of her music too. Insane that people fall for this Taylor is extremely talented bs in 2024, especially after her father admitted songwriting was just a marketing tactic. Her fans acting like pop stars have never written their own music before her is funny too, I'm convinced they don't listen to anyone except Taylor Swift.

Edited December 3 by Atlantis

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21 minutes ago, Popboi. said:

Better song writers than her are usually completely disassociated to the pop sphere, or haven't released anything in a very, very, VERY long time like Joni, Carol and Lauryn, so of course they're not brought up in the same conversation. It's not as simple as just throwing the "but she's white and blonde".

Her being white and blonde does factor in and it is not the only thing I mentioned. Further, there are hundreds of songwriters around today that write music. 

 

21 minutes ago, Popboi. said:

Better song writers than her are usually completely disassociated to the pop sphere, or haven't released anything in a very, very, VERY long time like Joni, Carol and Lauryn, so of course they're not brought up in the same conversation. It's not as simple as just throwing the "but she's white and blonde".

Taylor Swift is no better a songwriter than Lorde, Lana, Caroline or SZA and theyre  the ones off the top of my head. Billie isn't that far behind.
 

Lorde and Lana it can be argued are better lyrists. Again the only thing she does better is relatability. Her lyrics are more relatable than Lana's and her music is more digestible than Lorde. 

Edited December 3 by 45seconds

[MissedTheTrain]

13 minutes ago, MonsterJohn said:

Lmao please, I grew up in a third world country, have been immigrant lived in 3 countries for the last 11 years , I don't need lectures about gaining a wide perspective. 

 

The fact that you said immensely talented about someone who can't sing, perform and barely has any classics is the epitome of white mediocrity being overly rewarded. 

You might not like her, she might not be your cup of tea.  But Taylor is immensely talented and countless critics, journalists, legendary artists and more have said the same.  If that many people (including people whose job is to critique music) acclaim her songwriting...she's doing something right.   There are countless other white, pretty female artists who haven't seen an ounce of the success or acclaim she has, because they don't have the talent she does.

 

Her thing has always been her storytelling and songwriting, and her voice is the vessel for that (and does a fine job at it). It took talent to write a well written #1 Country hit like Our Song by herself, and she continued that throughout her career.  Vocals and dancing are not the end all.  She's is a singer/songwriter who entered the Pop realm and has made a spectacle out of her songs, tries to put on a good show to make her songs larger than life in a live setting.  There are countless big, talented singer/songwriters throughout the decades whose main thing was songwriting (and they sang the songs they wrote) and would not have made it simply as a vocalist or a dancer, because those things are not their talents....Taylor makes big songs, has a big audience, so she makes a spectacle out of her tours.

[Bloo]

1 hour ago, 45seconds said:

Immensely is insane. And yes, there is clearly a racial disconnect here. Us as black people are used to Stevie Wonders, Beyoncé, MJs and Whitney's who are so  talented that to even be mentioned next to them when discussing greatness requires you to display some kind of visible greatness. Which is why we are not impressed with Taylor Swift whose biggest talent is not music - it's relatability. 
 

 You all overhype songwriting to the high heavens but the truth is that there are and have been many many many people who can write  lyrics just as good. Whereas the ability to entertain the way the ones I mentioned above do is exceptionally rare. 
 

Taylor  Swift isn't even a Joni Mitchell or a Carol King or a Lauryn Hill in terms of storytelling. She benefits from being - and it's true - a white blue eyed blonde woman who is able to relate to younger women who share her identity and experiences. The only thing she has done to a degree better than anyone besides maybe the Beatles is fan retention and replacing older fans when they age out with younger fans. 

First, I’m also Black. So spare me with that qualifier.
 

To the rest of your comments. All of these people are great. Taylor is also great in her own way. Whitney was a great vocalist. She was not a great writer. Some of Taylor’s best works, like folklore, require a minimal number of collaborators because she herself brings so much to the table for making music.

 

Talent is not just performing on stage; talent is not just dancing; talent is not just vocal delivery. There are other facets of artistry that Taylor has in spade. 
 

If Taylor’s success could be viewed from a race reductionist perspective of, “She’s only this successful because she’s White,” well then we’d have several other White women achieving similar amounts of success with comparable longevity. We don’t. Katy Perry was a peer of Taylor’s in terms of commercial success but she has faded. The only other person that has comparable longevity is Beyoncé. The public is too fickle to obsess over pop stars for an extended period of time. Only exceptional talents that have something to offer artistically pull it off. 
 

Taylor’s artistry might not resonate for you. But it resonates for millions upon millions of people; this includes Asian countries. It’s one thing to say that Taylor has an advantage of White privilege that does give her a leg up. Sure. She’s White, blonde, attractive. These are all true and we can say this helps broaden her appeal. But it’s not just that. If it was just that, then it wouldn’t have taken Sabrina one album to find massive success. Countless beautiful White women fade into oblivion in the music industry. 
 

So, again, you can acknowledge the truth that Taylor benefits from these things. But pretending she has nothing to offer artistically is absurd. Plenty of artists are not for me but I can recognize their talent. 

 

1 hour ago, MonsterJohn said:

Lmao please, I grew up in a third world country, have been immigrant lived in 3 countries for the last 11 years , I don't need lectures about gaining a wide perspective. 

 

The fact that you said immensely talented about someone who can't sing, perform and barely has any classics is the epitome of white mediocrity being overly rewarded. 

Songwriting is a literal talent that many artists have to outsource it to writing camps. You discrediting the necessity of that talent only shows you have a shallow understanding of talent. So, again, gain a wider perspective. 

[Bloo]

1 hour ago, 45seconds said:

Lorde and Lana it can be argued are better lyrists. Again the only thing she does better is relatability. Her lyrics are more relatable than Lana's and her music is more digestible than Lorde. 

I love both Lorde and Taylor. Melodrama is my favorite album of all time. Lorde only has two albums with consistently good writing. Taylor has several well-written albums. Even her clunkier albums have lyrical highlights. Meanwhile, Taylor has never put an album out as uneven as Solar Power. 
 

It is extremely presumptive to make a broad statement about the lyrical talents of Taylor and Lorde. They’re so widely different. But we have a more comprehensive distribution of Taylor’s ability. Lorde’s is very lopsided. 

[longjohn9898]

On 12/3/2024 at 10:32 AM, Atlantis said:

Right, she's mediocre (at best). Her guitar and piano skills are barely amateur level like.. they are just stage props for her. Doesn't she have co-writers for most of her music too. Insane that people fall for this Taylor is extremely talented bs in 2024, especially after her father admitted songwriting was just a marketing tactic. Her fans acting like pop stars have never written their own music before her is funny too, I'm convinced they don't listen to anyone except Taylor Swift.

And not a single lie was told

[MissedTheTrain]

On 12/3/2024 at 12:32 PM, Atlantis said:

Right, she's mediocre (at best). Her guitar and piano skills are barely amateur level like.. they are just stage props for her. Doesn't she have co-writers for most of her music too. Insane that people fall for this Taylor is extremely talented bs in 2024, especially after her father admitted songwriting was just a marketing tactic. Her fans acting like pop stars have never written their own music before her is funny too, I'm convinced they don't listen to anyone except Taylor Swift.

This is the kind of critique people were giving her in 2009 because they couldn't fathom that a pretty young blonde girl was actually a songwriter.  So she wrote the entire next album by herself with 0 cowriters to prove them wrong, and it has some of her best work on it.   There's nothing wrong with co-writing and collaborating, it's not like she's relying on other people (and she still writes some stuff without any cowriters, which is more than the vast majority of mainstream artists can say).  Even when she does have co-writers she's collaborating with, Taylor is very clearly the force behind her music.  So many of her collaborators have credited her with that.

 

If she's not for you, she's not for you.  But Taylor is very talented.

[Kimbra]

On 11/30/2024 at 9:07 AM, Polgg48 said:

never beat the allegation from those leftover success stans from monsters and army. the whiteness through and through

This makes so much sense because swities were never like this.

[Shelter]

I think we can see which mods are Tay fans