discussion Swiss 'burqa ban' to take effect from 2025

[nicaindo]

hope the world ban every religion so we achieve the nirvana

 

[FlyOnTheWall]

To be fair there's absolutely no logical reason besides medical masks for someone to obscure their face in public so this is good. Hijabs are still allowed anyway, so there's still a way to live out your religious modesty or whatever 

[Hurem]

Burqa is a fundamentally misogynistic piece of clothing and any woman that willingly wears it is a victim of brainwashing and oppression.

[heckinglovato]

2 minutes ago, Hurem said:

Burqa is a fundamentally misogynistic piece of clothing and any woman that willingly wears it is a victim of brainwashing and oppression.

12 minutes ago, Dumbledore said:

And I'm assuming, now that Switzerland and Europe are soooo feminist, they are gonna ban Corsets too right? They are also a way to oppress women, right? 

^

Excited to hear what other forms of female oppression you'd like to criminalize, besides things that originated in the Middle East! 

[Communion]

7 minutes ago, Dumbledore said:

Then they wonder in confusion why the rest of the world sees Republicans and Democrats as the same thing when they treat the rest of the world the same shi*ty way as if they were inferior "barbarians" or smth lmfao 

The irony is that not even a white supremacist like Donald Trump is far-right enough to do cartoonish "ban ze burqa!!" style authoritarianism. 

 

The average European centrist is to the right of Donald Trump.  

 

 

[ShadeIena]

Good, if you go to the eastern you need to adapt your clothes to their traditions and mores, if they come to the western they should adapt themselves too

 

They should ban the hijab since it's oppressive too if they wanna wear something traditional, a turban exists

Edited November 10 by ShadeIena

[kellebrity98]

it's funny how most of these people supporting this here are gay men telling women what to wear. now i understand where the 'gays for Trump' are coming, congrats on the elections i guess.

Edited November 10 by kellebrity98

[DevilsRollTheDice]

14 minutes ago, Communion said:

This is... literally arguing that Switzerland has a Christian-white identity as a nation that must be upheld and respected.

 

Genuinely how do you always have such bad takes? ddddd 

I actually think it's pointing out that behavior and customs that obviously oppress women and LGBTQ+ people are…idk, bad!! regardless of who does it. Somehow your leftism always wraps back around itself into takes that couldn't be less left 

 

No one in this thread is clapping and cheering for the ways that other religions (obviously including Christianity) oppress the same groups, but I will always balk that leftists can identify that as a problem among Christians and cheerfully ignore it from Islam because it doesn't fit your simplistic culture war views. 

Edited November 10 by DevilsRollTheDice

[heckinglovato]

3 minutes ago, ShadeIena said:

Good, if you go to the eastern you need to adapt your clothes to their traditions and mores, if they come to the western they should adapt themselves too

 

They should ban the hijab since it's oppressive too if they wanna wear something traditional, a turban exists

[ShadeIena]

Just now, heckinglovato said:

What does this have to do with the post? idiot

[Communion]

1 minute ago, DevilsRollTheDice said:

that obviously oppress women and LGBTQ+ people

"Your identity makes you inherently oppressed and so we're here to save you from that and tell you how to live free from that oppression and self-misogyny via our more just and superior views representing our identities."

 

Oh! So we actually do like identity politics!

[Rama]

Pleasantly shocked at the reactions in this thread

 

 

Maybe everything's not really lost

[Dumbledore]

2 minutes ago, Hurem said:

Burqa is a fundamentally misogynistic piece of clothing and any woman that willingly wears it is a victim of brainwashing and oppression.

I agree. But let women liberate themselves, help them if they ask for it. Don't impose it. White people imposing their ways and their views on others as superiors does not conclude very well in the long run. And it's not okay just because we are the "good ones". That's exactly the same argument conquistadors made when colonizing. We know better, we are superior, we will tell them how to do things our way, because it's the only way. Women will still wear it at home or whenever they can, what are they gonna do? Hunt down these women? 

 

This does not solve any problem AT ALL, we all know it only makes the lives of a very specific group of women harder just for the government to appear like they are doing something. Stop bombing their countries how about that? 

 

Europeans, North Americans and the west in general are giving many reasons for Muslims and the Arab world to hate them. First they bomb their countries. Then when they move to a different one they try to make their lives even harder. Good luck with that in the future.

 

You don't solve fundamentalism and dogmatism with more fundamentalism and dogmatism.

 

[DevilsRollTheDice]

1 minute ago, Communion said:

"Your identity makes you inherently oppressed and so we're here to save you from that and tell you how to live free from that oppression and self-misogyny via our more just and superior views representing our identities."

 

Oh! So we actually do like identity politics!

That quote sums up what you spend 6 hours a day doing on this website, sis

 

[Communion]

2 minutes ago, Space Cowboy said:

Wearing a hijab is inherently misogynistic

lol okay social justice warrior, getting a little preachy there! 

[DevilsRollTheDice]

@Communion when is our enemies to friends arc? What's your favorite Taylor song? WCBF was snubbed. 
 

OT: I truly don't see how religion oppressing people is a controversial take. It's bad when Christians do it, it's bad when Muslims do it, it's bad when Barbs do it. 

Edited November 10 by DevilsRollTheDice

[heckinglovato]

3 minutes ago, ShadeIena said:

What does this have to do with the post? idiot

Your fave would 100% be jailed/fined under the law you're proposing, as law enforcement would have no objective way of distinguishing whether a woman is wearing a headscarf for religious reasons or as a fashion statement 

 

Or maybe they should do ID checks for Arabic surnames and round those people up? 

[CocoPouf]

2 hours ago, heckinglovato said:

Where do you draw the line of "oppressive" and who draws it? Should the government get to legislate oppression? Why is a face cover oppressive and not a headscarf? And if a headscarf is also oppressive then will Catholic nuns attire also be banned? Or is it only oppressive if it originates from a non-Western culture? 

 

Also how come when Afghanistan/Taliban legislate their "culture" the immediate reaction here is we should bomb them or implement regime change, but when western governments want to legislate their "culture" (a Swiss culture of skiing in ski masks in the Alps but women can't choose to cover their face if they wish), then everyone applauds it? 

 

So many questions! 

Nuns are part of our culture, so stay MAD

[kellebrity98]

1 minute ago, Dumbledore said:

You don't solve fundamentalism and dogmatism with more fundamentalism and dogmatism.

This. If one day they decide that they do not want to wear it they will fight for it, give them help if they ask for it. 

[CocoPouf]

48 minutes ago, heckinglovato said:

If Qatar decided tomorrow to ban septum piercings because piercings are a sin in Islam, there would be calls here to carpet-bomb Doha tomorrow, get boots on the ground, and implement immediate regime change to save the septum piercing community!

 

White nationalism in the west is rampant even amongst leftist and majority-LGBTQ+ communities 

Piercings are a sin? What the **** is not a sin there? 

[heckinglovato]

1 minute ago, CocoPouf said:

Nuns are part of our culture, so stay MAD

 

[DevilsRollTheDice]

Just now, kellebrity98 said:

This. If one day they decide that they do not want to wear it they will fight for it, give them help if they ask for it. 

Many people are actually asking for it and actively resisting. Kinda hard when your rights and access to education are stripped! We can wax poetic about what these women may or may not want but the truth is we have no idea for many of them because they feel unsafe expressing views that contradict their culture. 

[Communion]

2 minutes ago, CocoPouf said:

Nuns are part of our culture, so stay MAD

@DevilsRollTheDice sis, watch out, they're doing identity politics 

[playboi]

4 minutes ago, CocoPouf said:

Piercings are a sin? What the **** is not a sin there? 

Slavery and marrying little girls

[CocoPouf]

Just now, heckinglovato said:

 

I don't have to pretend anything for you to read my opinions and facts. I don't care what do you think about me, but if you live in Europe, you should respect our nuns, they are part of our religious tradition.