Princess Aurora Posted November 7 Posted November 7 1 minute ago, shimind said: I won't. Gays don't even need marriage. Just look at grindr. All they want is szx szx szx Girl what the ****?
shimind Posted November 7 Posted November 7 Just now, Princess Aurora said: Girl what the ****? Did I lie? 1
Richie.Valdez Posted November 7 Posted November 7 They have easy access to conservatives that are very popular... just look at the top 3 most listened podcasts in the US... they are doomed.
Trent W Posted November 7 Posted November 7 It's male loneliness and weaker minds influenced by the likes of Andrew Tate I'm bi and still young so I date girls sometimes Dating as a straight man is a complete nightmare and a horrible experience these days, if you're straight you are pushed to a lonely corner and then there's the internet Honestly I wouldn't blame a whole generation, the world is just messed up 1 1
Anthinos Posted November 7 Posted November 7 31 minutes ago, shimind said: I won't. Gays don't even need marriage. Just look at grindr. All they want is szx szx szx What nonsense. Grow up. There are enough of us who want to get married, are monogamous etc. and what does that have to do with it anyway? Do we have to earn rights that everyone is entitled to? Even if many gays are like that, there's no reason why those of us who want to get married shouldn't have that right. I have no sympathy for gay men who vote against their rights. 8
princedonte Posted November 7 Posted November 7 (edited) Liberals having been attacking men left and right. People are over woke culture. It has alienated people. That is a big issue. Edited November 7 by princedonte 1
SoundsandSongs Posted November 7 Posted November 7 38 minutes ago, shimind said: I won't. Gays don't even need marriage. Just look at grindr. All they want is szx szx szx Disgusting comment. People with this kind of thinking continue to contribute to the stereotype of gay people. Just because some gay people dont need marriage doesnt mean the right should be taken away from many others. Im a Gen Z and I am 100% interested in marriage, monogamy etc. A lot of people my age (people born in 21st century) are the same. If anything monogamy is cool and very desired among people my age. 4
SoundsandSongs Posted November 7 Posted November 7 On 11/7/2024 at 1:12 AM, BrentB said: Plus one thing that I recently realized about Gen-Z as a whole, is that they have admittedly been exposed to a hyper-sexualized media which also glamorized a lot of toxic behavior & things like blind celebrity worship, BBLs, drug references in songs & movies which could explain why a lot of them might be turning to more conservative values & religions as a whole to "detox" from this collective generation brain-rot. As a result, they end up throwing the baby out with the bathwater so to speak, by counting the LGBT as nothing but merely an artifact of a messed-up time This is 100% true as a Gen Z. I was in elementary during the Kardashian and big ass era and for as long as I've been alive I remember seeing all those things being plastered everywhere I looked. I myself have become more conservative and I find myself behaving more conservatively than people twice my age. 5
commander Posted November 7 Posted November 7 I think this a the result of moderate parents panicking and over indoctrinating them into conservative/nationalist views 1
VelvetCrush Posted November 7 Posted November 7 5 hours ago, Armani? said: Black Men did not cost you the election, they voted more Democratic than literally everyone else other than Black women like in every other cycle. The shift was stagnate, Trump went from 19% last election to 21% now with the exit poll updated, before it was at 20% Latino Men though swung from 36% Trump in 2020 to 55% Trump 2024 Even Latina Women plummeted for Kamala, it was 69% Biden in 2020, down to 60% for her. That's 9 ******* pts There was a shift with Asian Men also but we probably need more polling data before saying anything because of the sample size. Stop trying to sneak in Black men. That's a fair point. I guess I should refrain from talking about the election because I'm not american so I'm not very in on the statistics and there's more to analizing generations then american politics since genz is not only americans. I still disagree with saying that genz is conservative because it's not an age thing, other generations are also conservative, but genz is very polarizing and the % of conservatives varies in groups according to gender, race, identity.
Capris Groove Posted November 7 Posted November 7 4 hours ago, Reginald said: I'm going to take a moment here to spill my thoughts. The majority of Gen Z has proven themselves to be lackadaisical wimps with no backbone. They were born into a world of luxury, greed, and comfort. All of the hard-fought rights that the Silent Gen, Boomers (yes, there are good Boomers) X, and Millennials won are squandered on Z, because they were born with silver spoons in their mouths. These Zs know nothing of strife or hardship, so they see nothing worth defending. It's sad that Z will end up having less rights than their grandparents, but if you can't be assed to show up and VOTE, everything you love will be stripped away. As a Millennial who grew up on stories of my great grandmother's life in the early 20th century, I was told what it means to live without freedom, respect, and self-governance. I am BEGGING Zs: if you want a world worth living in, you MUST fight for it. I think we're mistaking comfort for 'an easy life' here, and I disagree that Zs don't know about strife or hardship. In fact, I'd say they know more about it than any generation since the early Boomers/Silent Gen who went to war. Yes, people can easily order anything through an app now and we have instant access to information, but those aren't the things that make life actually fulfilling to people. Interpersonal relationships (real not digital), community, security, and purpose are. We've gone majorly backward in all of these. Education is unaffordable, young people graduate with obscene debt where older generations did not, jobs are more competitive to get, nobody can buy a house, and social media has fractured real-life community and replaced it with digital tools that our brains aren't wired to derive any joy from. In all of the areas that give life meaning, older generations had it easier. As a result, mental health issues in younger people have skyrocketed. Humans are social animals -- it's as important to us as food and water -- and stats are showing that young men have unprecedented levels of loneliness. Which is said to be more deadly than smoking... you know, the thing that governments worldwide have spent billions on trying to stop. And for the young girls, their suicide rates have increased by a whopping 140% since 2012 (when social media really kicked off). I don't see Gen Z as being silver spooned, I think history is going to look back on this time and determine that there is a major difference between comfort and easy. And this is also why young people are shifting to more traditional values, for better or worse. 2
MatiRod Posted November 7 Posted November 7 I feel like the huge rise of country/folk is related to this, part of young white men seeking a traditional, conservative identity 1
SoundsandSongs Posted November 7 Posted November 7 2 hours ago, commander said: I think this a the result of moderate parents panicking and over indoctrinating them into conservative/nationalist views I think its frankly the opposite. I know a lot of people my age who are more conservative than their parents. In fact Ive seen a lot of people turn to conservatism because their parents were trying to push onto them liberal views. 1
Illyboy Posted November 7 Posted November 7 On 11/6/2024 at 10:01 AM, Blade Runner said: No Twitter bubble can actually deny the fact that the Z generation actually supports conservative causes (female opression, sex negativity, homosexual freedom, etc etc). And referents and idols like Logan Paul or Adin Ross are contributing to this mindset. Thoughts? I call that Patriarchy being successful at alienating men away from equality. These influencers cash in young boys' insecurity and lead them the wrong way. Young men steer towards them because they're the few people who "listens" (more like pretends to care) about their issues. I remember when I was a teen (almost became one of those incels but I got out of the alt-right rabbithole early enough) there was this view that 'feminism=men bad' rather than 'feminism=equality for everyone" and tbh mainstream feminists (at least in my country the political parties that claim to be "feminist" when campaigning) aren't doing a good job at proving that wrong either. The fact that "men's rights activist" has become a buzzword for those incel radical types is just Actual feminist theory actually says Patriarchy oppresses both sexes but mainstream feminism doesn't seem to care about men's issues as much and even often falls into the fallacy of "patriarchy=all of men thus men=evil" when actually patriarchy=the elites (regardless of their sex, there are a few women among the elite nowadays, slay girlboss!). (I would write a long paragraph here to explain my point but I'm not inspired rn so I'll just post some video essays sorry) nvm wrote the long paragraph anyway, but I feel I missed some things on the tip of my tongue + the video is still a good watch 1 1
Illyboy Posted November 7 Posted November 7 On 11/6/2024 at 10:22 AM, Gelato said: well a lot of gen z men grew up with Ben Shapiro OWNS leftist videos it's not a massive shock to me. even in the UK I would be in lectures and hear guys around me praising Andrew Tate etc Or the videos roasting SJWs, also the 2nd thing you mentioned gave me flashbacks of me walking home from HS and seeing boys younger than me (a couples grades less) singing the Francoist anthem (Idk why it became a trending 'meme' that year) 1
Raphy23 Posted November 7 Posted November 7 So was I when I was 18. Now I'm liberal. They need to live a little. 1
ADMKHN Posted November 7 Posted November 7 4 hours ago, shimind said: I won't. Gays don't even need marriage. Just look at grindr. All they want is szx szx szx You're just a rage baiting dumb ass.
Illyboy Posted November 7 Posted November 7 On 11/6/2024 at 10:47 AM, Prodigal Self said: I keep hearing Gen Z men feel "neglected" and turn to Andrew Tate and I honestly don't know what could be done about that. People who feel oppressed when they aren't are so They kinda are though, everyone is oppresed by Patriarchy. Male suicide rates are high for a reason, men are expected to be breadwinners and provide but in the current world they cannot live up to those expectations put to them by society and/or themselves and thus often find themselves purposeless in a society that views men as replaceable/dispensable. these + the other video essay I put in my other post above kind of explain my point of view, hope you find them useful.
Illyboy Posted November 7 Posted November 7 4 hours ago, shimind said: I won't. Gays don't even need marriage. Just look at grindr. All they want is szx szx szx As if grindr represented all gays... a lot of straights use tinder yet I don't see anyone saying "People don't even need marriage. Just look at tinder, all they want is sex" 1
Illyboy Posted November 7 Posted November 7 On 11/6/2024 at 11:42 AM, Blue. said: I am am conflicted saying this as a cis white straight man but also being someone who always leaned for freedom and supports abortion, gender identity, legal marriage for everyone and whatever else you identify with liberals: the far left or the most radicalized liberals have become too noisy, and public demonstrations were we used to protest and fight for those rights now can serve some really gnarly images that do not reflect the causes and end up scaring off moderates and being gunpowder for the conservatives. I don't understand the downvotes. Right wing propaganda videos mock the most radical leftists all the damn time and it works. He actually made a good point here.
Illyboy Posted November 7 Posted November 7 (edited) On 11/6/2024 at 2:54 PM, stevyy said: This is also my experience. The younger the voter and the older the voter... the more extreme they are. Millennials like myself are probably the most sane voting block these days (all around the world) because we grew up in a "not-so-broken" world. Gen Z / young voters lack critical thinking. They are glued to their devices and do not realize that they're trapped in a bubble. The Digital generation btw - and this is my experience as a teacher in a western European country - is not able to write an e-mail (anymore) or type a text message. It's AI or copy & paste or voice messages. True, as gen-z I remember growing up with the 2011 economic crisis just to them be hit with the COVID crisis right when things were starting to get going again. Also yeah, education hasn't been that good in teaching most of us critical thinking and having unmonitorized access to the Internet didn't help Spoiler (though I'd say that if it wasn't for the Internet I'd probably be a much different person and probably not in a good way so- The Internet has a lot of bad things about it but it's also a place to connect with people you would never meet IRL and find a place they can fit it even if it's only thru connection to an electrical device and huge cables across the oceans. As much as it's a place where people can get brainwashed you can also learn about conflicts/issues/stuff in general you've never heard before because TV doesn't cover them). Edit: on a non-economical level, after 2011 economic crisis we had the Syrian(/Iraq/ISIL) crisis (which I'd say (talking from personal experience) ranked up xenophobia/racism/islamophobia in Europe due to the anti-refugee sentiment/messages), there's also other conflics (Afghanistan, Libya, Ukraine, Palestine, Myanmar, Armenia, C.A.R., so on and so forth but from a western European POV I'd say 2015 onwards pretty much kickstarted the polarization as it coincided with the whole era of "mocking sjws/radfems" videos on social media so they kinda like combined effect? Edited November 7 by Illyboy
Mezter Posted November 7 Posted November 7 My opinion is that I'm born on the cusp of both generations and I finally decided to be a Millennial 3
Illyboy Posted November 7 Posted November 7 On 11/6/2024 at 3:15 PM, Revolution said: They have never had to struggle or fight for anything Did you forget about Fridays for Future already? Sorry we were too busy studying our asses off just to get a degree that will earn us... mininim wage job!!! Yay with that we can barely pay for housing and everyone above (i.e. older) than us doesn't care because they benefit from the system that fucks us over. Shut up.
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