news Kamala Harris can't say that transgender people should receive gender-affirming care

[Vermouth]

1 minute ago, Communion said:

 

The vast majority of Americans support trans people as a basic platitude and trans adults' healthcare being between them and their doctor. Polling shows this. Republicans lost elections in 2022 running on attacking trans people and lost. 

 

I understand if someone is not American that the loud far right voice could make this nuance pass people by, but no one is criticizing Harris for trying to win. We're saying her political acumen is poor and she's making poor decisions that actually hurt her chances of winning. 

Yes, from where I am sitting on the other side of the Atlantic, her momentum has stalled, it's looking very neck and neck, and she's seems to have made a few campaign missteps ( not huge blunders but misteps).

But, there are folk on here seemingly convincing themselves that because she's not shouting the purest message as they wish it to be from the rooftops, they're going to go into a naive sulk and not vote for her. Well they're going to end up with Trump then, it really is that horribly simple.

 

 

[on the line]

2 minutes ago, Sheep said:

It's 4 pages of accidentally pro-fascist 

morality dick measuring isn't it? Somebody quote me I love myself too much to actually read it.

In the words of Taylor Kelce: YOU ALREADY KNOW, BAYBE.

[Arthoe]

4 minutes ago, Vermouth said:

All parties' electoral voter blocs are coalitions. ten days out that requires a degree of unidealised messy compromise.

 

You can compromise for the sake of getting the coalition over the line or you can be pure and lose. And losing this time means President Donald J Trump.

But does "winning" matter when Harris continues to concede poltical ground to right-wing extremism? This is not a question of actual policy, this is a question of "civility" and optics.

 

It didn't really matter that Joe Biden is president right now instead of Trump, the USA still has large internal trans migration streams, because those who live in red states have to flee or otherwise their life would be in danger. Conceding this to the Republicans is acknowledging that THIS, the status quo, is how things should continue on, and that 26 out of 50 states ILLEGALIZING access to trans healthcare was a good idea. 

 

And that's not right, trans people deserve to have human rights and be treated like human beings. 

[Gelato]

28 minutes ago, Vermouth said:

Ok, but I really don't think the Labour Party is influencing the Democrats' policies ten days out from an election. Like really????

Well yes, because it started in early September, not today 

[on the line]

1 minute ago, Arthoe said:

But does "winning" matter when Harris continues to concede poltical ground to right-wing extremism? This is not a question of actual policy, this is a question of "civility" and optics.

 

It didn't really matter that Joe Biden is president right now instead of Trump, the USA still has large internal trans migration streams, because those who live in red states have to flee or otherwise their life would be in danger. Conceding this to the Republicans is acknowledging that THIS, the status quo, is how things should continue on, and that 26 out of 50 states ILLEGALIZING access to trans healthcare was a good idea. 

 

And that's not right, trans people deserve to have human rights and be treated like human beings. 

Yes. It very much matters.

 

I remember during Dump's presidency when he refused federal dollars for wildfires to liberal states while smoke was choking us to death. I remember not being able to leave my house for a week with towels on the windows to try and keep smoke out bc air purifiers were sold out everywhere. 

 

Our literal health is on the line.

[noodlelymph]

17 minutes ago, Sheep said:

It's 4 pages of accidentally pro-fascist 

morality dick measuring isn't it? Somebody quote me I love myself too much to actually read it.

Liberals HATE when you demand anything of politicians it seems because now it's "pro-fascist" to expect Harris to do the bare ******* minimum of saying "trans rights"…. Y'all have Zero principles on anything. Shameless. 

[noodlelymph]

6 minutes ago, on the line said:

Yes. It very much matters.

 

I remember during Dump's presidency when he refused federal dollars for wildfires to liberal states while smoke was choking us to death. I remember not being able to leave my house for a week with towels on the windows to try and keep smoke out bc air purifiers were sold out everywhere. 

 

Our literal health is on the line.

But trans health isn't on the line nor does it matter judging by your rush to excuse Harris's remarks and attack anyone calling her out for them. Mkay 

[K$Ellie]

why are people here acting like criticising Kamala means we're all voting Trump??  literally no one said that

[on the line]

4 minutes ago, noodlelymph said:

Liberals HATE when you demand anything of politicians it seems because now it's "pro-fascist" to expect Harris to do the bare ******* minimum of saying "trans rights"…. Y'all have Zero principles on anything. Shameless. 

And the misinformation train full steam ahead...

Edited October 25 by on the line
My autocorrect is as dumb as some of these posters

[on the line]

1 minute ago, noodlelymph said:

But trans health isn't on the line nor does it matter judging by your rush to excuse Harris's remarks and attack anyone calling her out for them. Mkay 

Plenty of trans folks who live on the west coast were also affected by the wildfire smoke, sis.

 

You really need to stop with your assumptions and blind rage for a second and absorb reality.

[on the line]

3 minutes ago, K$Ellie said:

why are people here acting like criticising Kamala means we're all voting Trump??  literally no one said that

Literally the OP of this thread has said they want Harris to lose. 

[Digitalism]

2 hours ago, Timeless said:

She's always so wishy washy on where she actually stands with her politics. Trump has always been direct and clear, which is why his supporters are super loud and growing by the minute.

I agree with this. The state of politics in the world in general is in a place were people want direct politicians. She thinks she is getting the votes from the undiceded but it will have the opposite effect.

[helikesitheymikey]

You people are delusional if you think the other option doesn't want you to be unalived. Blah blah blah she's not saying EXACTLY what I want her to say. Grow up! And realize who is the actual threat, and not someone who at least will acknowledge your existence. 

[Vermouth]

18 minutes ago, Arthoe said:

But does "winning" matter when Harris continues to concede poltical ground to right-wing extremism? This is not a question of actual policy, this is a question of "civility" and optics.

 

It didn't really matter that Joe Biden is president right now instead of Trump, the USA still has large internal trans migration streams, because those who live in red states have to flee or otherwise their life would be in danger. Conceding this to the Republicans is acknowledging that THIS, the status quo, is how things should continue on, and that 26 out of 50 states ILLEGALIZING access to trans healthcare was a good idea. 

 

And that's not right, trans people deserve to have human rights and be treated like human beings. 

Look whatever the status is right now, whatever the rights and wrongs, whatever you wish it to be, it is going to be worse under Trump. That's the reality of the decision in ten days time.

 

You can campaign to your heart's content during a Harris term to get laws and attitudes changed in a more favourable direction. Fair enough, crack on, good luck.  But under Trump all that is f*****d and you will be doing incredibly well to maintain the current situation never mind anything else.

 

So I'm afraid your wrong, it does matter, and moaning that Biden hasn't been good enough,  and Harris isn't being enthusiastic enough, is going to look like a cakewalk in paradise if you wake up and Trump has won on Nov 6th.

Edited October 25 by Vermouth

[Bosque]

Is this surprising? She hasn't given a clear statement on any topic since 2019

 

Say what you want about Biden but at least he had some clear principles 

Edited October 25 by Bosque

[Almighty Gaga]

Americans are cooked 2 candidates that are painted as polar opposites but actually believe in the same exact ideologies.

[Save-Me-Oprah]

So is anybody gonna tell us what the law she's referencing says or what

 

[Breathe On Moi]

3 minutes ago, helikesitheymikey said:

You people are delusional if you think the other option doesn't want you to be unalived. Blah blah blah she's not saying EXACTLY what I want her to say. Grow up! And realize who is the actual threat, and not someone who at least will acknowledge your existence. 

I'm all about holding candidates accountable and I know she already has so much against her as a woman running, so she's trying to straddle the fence, she can and should do better, but also don't forget 2/3 ppl in this thread can't vote in this election. 

[commander]

Co-signing genocide apart, why I'm not surprised that the LGB is still demanding trans people and allies to take one for the team and vote against their own interests. They're literally saying: I know you're ****** but you still have the moral responsibility to save ME! 

[Mistah.Beyonce]

2 hours ago, KatyPrismSpirit said:

She always comes across as incompetent. Sorry. But she literally didn't even answer the question. The interviewer asks "What is your value, do you believe trans people should have access to gender affirming care". Why would she respond with "I'm not going to position myself as a doctor" or "I think we should follow the law"? That doesn't answer the question about your personal beliefs. Those responses come across as evasive and sidestepping the actual question rather than sharing her personal stance.

The office is NOT about her personal beliefs or her emotions, she has to follow the law.

 

Welcome to CIVICS.

[K$Ellie]

9 minutes ago, on the line said:

Literally the OP of this thread has said they want Harris to lose. 

I'm pretty sure they're a Palestinian that don't support either, can you blame them 

[Arthoe]

36 minutes ago, on the line said:

Yes. It very much matters.

 

I remember during Dump's presidency when he refused federal dollars for wildfires to liberal states while smoke was choking us to death. I remember not being able to leave my house for a week with towels on the windows to try and keep smoke out bc air purifiers were sold out everywhere. 

 

Our literal health is on the line.

It's really taking me a lot not be flippant about this, because I think you're on the edge of understanding it.

 

Are you genuinely not concerned that if Harris concedes ground to Republicans that easily on a topic where it is SO EASY to make an ethically correct choice, that she would not do the same on the issue you personally care about? Is there not the thought looming in the back of your mind "...what if the Republicans collectively decided to rally against federal natural catastrophe funds? What if they push for more privatization and personal reponsibility with insurances? And if they get annoying about it enough, Harris and the democrats decide to throw them a bone, and make it harder to access monetary help?"

 

With climate change accelerating and natural catastrophes being more frequent, federal disaster relief funds WILL be on the chopping block eventually, it's literally just a question of time. And let me tell you, quite a few establishment Dems would be in line to make this a bill with bipartisan support (way more than trans healthcare bans).

 

Criticizing Harris on this, and making a stink about it, doesn't mean you're doing propaganda to make her lose. The purpose of the stink is to signify to the party and Harris, that you don't want her to f*cking do that.

Edited October 25 by Arthoe

[on the line]

1 minute ago, Arthoe said:

It's really taking me a lot not be flippant about this, because I think you're on the edge of understanding it.

 

Are you genuinely not concerned that if Harris concedes ground to Republicans that easily on a topic where it is SO EASY to make an ethically correct choice, that she would not do the same on the issue you personally care about? Is there not the thought looming in the back of your mind "...what if the Republicans collectively decided to rally against federal natural catastrophe funds? What if they push for more privatization and personal reponsibility with insurances? And they get annoying about it enough, that Harris and the democrats decide to throw them a bone, and make it harder to access monetary help?"

 

With climate change accelerating and natural catastrophees being more frequent, federal disaster relief funds will be on the chopping block eventually, it's literally question of time. And let me tell you, quite a few establishment Dems would be in line make this a bill with bipartisan support (way more than trans healthcare bans).

 

Criticizing Harris on this, and making a stink about it, doesn't mean you're doing propaganda to make her lose. The purpose of the stink is to signify to the party and Harris, that you don't want her to f*cking do that.

Too many what if, fantasy scenarios for me to get into a paragraph-by-paragraph debate, sorry.

 

I've always seen Harris as a very center right candidate. I trashed her when she ran in 2020. I am not surprised one bit where she is with her current policies. She is a prosecutor from the depth of her bones. We knew what we were getting when Biden dropped out, and pushing her before a win is futile, imo. Even if she does win, nothing is going to happen in Congress so all these things are such mute points just causing more internal-party conflicts.

[on the line]

14 minutes ago, K$Ellie said:

I'm pretty sure they're a Palestinian that don't support either, can you blame them 

I definitely don't blame them for not voting for Harris. At all.

 

But they have specifically said they want Harris to lose and continues to post the most negative social media posts about her that they can find. That isn't pushing Harris left in a constructive manner, it's just straight up feeding the misinformation beast. Some of the comments in this thread would make me believe Harris said something far more sinister than what actually happened in that clip. 

[Princess Aurora]

What a mess