Gelato Posted October 25 Posted October 25 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Vermouth said: I think you are wildly overestimating the influence of a few Labour staffers. It's not just a few. They're flying them out en masse and the Democrats are putting them up in their houses or in hotel rooms. Even the most senior staff like Starmer's personal strategist and pollster are going. Sister parties help each other out, especially if one of them has recently won an election just before the other fights one, but the scale of this is unprecedented. Edited October 25 by Gelato
Prodigal Self Posted October 25 Posted October 25 5 minutes ago, cuteboyzay said: My criticism is the (in my opinion) lofty judgement over what she said in a forum dominated by A LOT of wh*te gays. The culture of ATRL has continuously been influenced and driven by the ideas and perception of wh!te Men on here. You can critique what Kamala has said, but with my literal decade of being on here, some of these people's critiques are more than just critiques but excuses to just vote for who they identify with the closest (a whi*te man). Unfortunately. Like I said, you can critique her all you want. But I guarantee if Trump said the same exact thing there would be a different reaction. Quote Joined December 3, 2023 10
Communion Posted October 25 Posted October 25 13 minutes ago, cuteboyzay said: Lmao girl be sooo forreal rn! You can critique Kamala cause it's your freedom to, but I hope to GOD that you don't use this statement as an excuse to vote for Trump. WHO more than likely wants to start a CIVIL WAR in the same country he's trying to govern. Nobody is getting paid, they just want to roam the streets without a target on their back. I don't know who has a worse understanding of who Republicans are. Harris for thinking anyone who would be outraged at her endorsing gender-affirming care as scientifically proven is gonna vote for her to begin with if she doesn't say it, or this idea that ATRL is full of Trump supporters. Most of the unhinged right wingers are Europeans to begin with! ATRL's American user base actually greatly shifted to the left following 2016 (almost like there's a constant loud voice radicalizing fellow members ) and it's actually been a shame to see usually progressive people stumble and find themselves defending elected Dems moving to the right cause electoral brain rot got to them. It's okay to criticize candidates! No one here is voting for Trump! 3
Vermouth Posted October 25 Posted October 25 (edited) 28 minutes ago, on the line said: I literally slipped enterting this thread on the rabid foam and excitement from these posters trashing Harris to help a literal rapist get elected. ******* bizarre. It's nuts isn't it. Like delusional nuts. Whatever the nuances of who is saying what about whatever, Americans ( and for that matter the rest of us) are going to wake up on Nov 6th with Harris or Trump having won. Not Jill Stein, not some ideal write in fantasy candidate. Harris or Trump. That's it. If you don't vote for Harris you're going to get Trump, and I think we can all agree that is unlikely to be pretty folks. Edited October 25 by Vermouth 1 3
Popular Post Mr. Blue_Shirt Posted October 25 Popular Post Posted October 25 Republicans literally spent a lot of money on ads attacking trans people in the lead-up to Election Day (that even voters viewed it as 'mean-spirited', mind you), But somehow it's "leftists fault" that Kamala, as a Democratic presidential nominee, can't even do the bare minimum to openly support transgender healthcare as a slight pushback against it Oh ok... 15
Headlock Posted October 25 Posted October 25 20 minutes ago, cuteboyzay said: I see where you're coming from, but given even the anti-trans movement even WITHIN the LGBTQ community is huge enough, there's really not much she can say that'll gain or lose votes. Like I said, it's very evident she (imo) is for the LGBTQ community. But as someone who is not just a woman but an Asian/Black woman, she's only working with as much as unfortunately she feels as what she's got. Exactly, so why not just say she is for gender-affirming care if it won't affect her votes? It makes her come off as wishy-washy and not firm in her core beliefs, which IS a turn off to voters who may not care about gender-affirming care either way, but already have a distrust of dishonest politicians. 9 1
Sawk Posted October 25 Posted October 25 4 minutes ago, on the line said: The main sentiment in this thread has been Harris is anti-trans when that is not the truth. The OP has a personal vendetta against Harris, and has been insistently posting bad-faith posts about her, and the usual suspects jumped on the train immediately to trash Harrish in bad faith. I'm not the most aware of these users histories with politics, but I for one do not support Trump, I want Harris to win, that's on period. That being said tho, I still like to have my opinions about her weird moderate takes on issues that right wingers are VERY strong on, like these trans issues. For me, it would've been nice if she had simply been less avoidant of her own stance, if her own stance even aligns with being pro-trans, which I wish she had expressed.
Arthoe Posted October 25 Posted October 25 6 minutes ago, on the line said: Except that swamp thing isn't even voting for Harris.... Yes, personal attacks and insults SURE are gonna help you spread the gospel on why the ungrateful US American f*gs of ATRL should vote Harris. You sure told us that the gays have nothing to worry about and are TOTALLY safe when the Democratic establishment and parts of the voter base talk about our community with not an ounce of respect or basic human empathy. 6 1
Vermouth Posted October 25 Posted October 25 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Gelato said: It's not just a few. They're flying them out en masse and the Democrats are putting them up in their houses or in hotel rooms. Even the most senior staff like Starmer's personal strategist and pollster are going. Sister parties help each other out, especially if one of them has recently won an election just before the other fights one, but the scale of this is unprecedented. Ok, but I really don't think the Labour Party is influencing the Democrats' policies ten days out from an election. Like really???? Edited October 25 by Vermouth
on the line Posted October 25 Posted October 25 1 minute ago, Vermouth said: It's nuts isn't it. Like delusional nuts. Whatever the nuances of who is saying what about whatever, Americans ( and for that matter the rest of us) are going to wake up on Nov 6th with Harris or Trump having won. Not Jill Stein, not some ideal write in fantasy candidate. Harris or Trump. That's it. If you don't vote for Harris you're going to get Trump, and I think we can all agree that is unlikely to be pretty folks. Yep. This is the fundamental truth. I don't like Harris, I don't like what Israel is doing, I don't like that we aren't pushing further left, etc. But I realize it's Harris or an even more stacked Supreme Court and loss of rights for me and the people I care about in my life. This really isn't a hard choice for anyone with any sort of left-leaning morals and/or tendencies. 1 3
on the line Posted October 25 Posted October 25 2 minutes ago, Arthoe said: Yes, personal attacks and insults SURE are gonna help you spread the gospel on why the ungrateful US American f*gs of ATRL should vote Harris. You sure told us that the gays have nothing to worry about and are TOTALLY safe when the Democratic establishment and parts of the voter base talk about our community with not an ounce of respect or basic human empathy. That user has been spouting lies and personal attacks on me for months now. Full stop. Period. 5
on the line Posted October 25 Posted October 25 4 minutes ago, Sawk said: I'm not the most aware of these users histories with politics, but I for one do not support Trump, I want Harris to win, that's on period. That being said tho, I still like to have my opinions about her weird moderate takes on issues that right wingers are VERY strong on, like these trans issues. For me, it would've been nice if she had simply been less avoidant of her own stance, if her own stance even aligns with being pro-trans, which I wish she had expressed. I hear you and agree on that. It's a slippery slope with misinformation with our elections, and, unfortunately, that does mean you need to pay close attention to the source and their posting patterns. 1 3
noodlelymph Posted October 25 Posted October 25 I wonder how drag queens for Harris is going to react to this…
Vermouth Posted October 25 Posted October 25 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Arthoe said: Yes, personal attacks and insults SURE are gonna help you spread the gospel on why the ungrateful US American f*gs of ATRL should vote Harris. You sure told us that the gays have nothing to worry about and are TOTALLY safe when the Democratic establishment and parts of the voter base talk about our community with not an ounce of respect or basic human empathy. All parties' electoral voter blocs are coalitions. Ten days out that requires a degree of unidealised messy compromise. You can compromise for the sake of getting the coalition over the line or you can be pure and lose. And losing this time means President Donald J Trump. Edited October 25 by Vermouth 2
Vermouth Posted October 25 Posted October 25 4 minutes ago, on the line said: Yep. This is the fundamental truth. I don't like Harris, I don't like what Israel is doing, I don't like that we aren't pushing further left, etc. But I realize it's Harris or an even more stacked Supreme Court and loss of rights for me and the people I care about in my life. This really isn't a hard choice for anyone with any sort of left-leaning morals and/or tendencies. Exactly. 1 1
on the line Posted October 25 Posted October 25 2 minutes ago, noodlelymph said: I wonder how drag queens for Harris is going to react to this… It's going to be hard to find that post when my, and every other reply in this thread that doesnt trash Harris, notifications are spammed by all your negative reactions. 4
Riverbank Posted October 25 Posted October 25 29 minutes ago, Sawk said: It's actually embarrassing, imagine not being able to criticize anyone from your own political party It's giving stans on here who can't ever criticize their faves at all. The fact that you're equating a presidential election to stupid stan wars says it all tbh. People's lives are actually going to be affected if Trump wins 2
noodlelymph Posted October 25 Posted October 25 Ok I'm to understand that liberals lesser eviled themselves into supporting genocide and kicking undocumented workers to the curb partly to protect trans rights and now that Harris has shown her ass on this issue, they're moving goalposts. "bUt tRuMp, bUt tRump!!" what other excuses will they make when this right wing pandering spineless ghoul decides to throw the next marginalized community under the bus 7 1
Communion Posted October 25 Posted October 25 (edited) 9 minutes ago, on the line said: That user has been spouting lies and personal attacks on me for months now. Full stop. Period. I said I don't like you and conservative cause you said most homeless people "deserve to be homeless" and are "just lazy drug addicts who want to live outside". "This is what makes me a conservative." Who is more likely to vote for Trump: > progressives asking Harris to be more supportive of trans people > self-identified conservative Democrats who express they will not support progressive Democrats? The only thing people need to be aware of when understanding the motivation of users is that users like you who defend Harris making ineffective appeals to the right that actually hurt her chances at winning aren't concerned with winning but advancing your own conservative agenda. No one cares if someone who describes themselves as "politically conservative" claims being a progressive is being a Trump supporter. You're the Trump supporter. Edited October 25 by Communion 5
Sawk Posted October 25 Posted October 25 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Riverbank said: The fact that you're equating a presidential election to stupid stan wars says it all tbh. People's lives are actually going to be affected if Trump wins False equivalency, I'm saying the way some people cannot fathom others criticizing what they support is akin to how people on here also do the same for their favorite musicians. Do you really think I'm sayin the magnitude of these things is the same? Do you genuinely believe that? Stop being disingenuous in that way, please. I'm well aware this election is MUCH more important than a stupid stan war. edit: typo Edited October 25 by Sawk Typo 1
Vermouth Posted October 25 Posted October 25 1 minute ago, noodlelymph said: Ok I'm to understand that liberals lesser eviled themselves into supporting genocide and kicking undocumented workers to the curb partly to protect trans rights and now that Harris has shown her ass on this issue, they're moving goalposts. "bUt tRuMp, bUt tRump!!" what other excuses will they make when this right wing pandering spineless ghoul decides to throw the next marginalized community under the bus Well fair enough. But if enough Americans don't vote for Harris the result is President Trump till January 2029. Do you think his attitude and policies are going to be better for you than Harris'? It might not be pretty but that the only choice in the real world. 1
Communion Posted October 25 Posted October 25 8 minutes ago, Vermouth said: All parties' electoral voter blocs are coalitions. Ten days out that requires a degree of unidealised messy compromise 3 minutes ago, Riverbank said: The fact that you're equating a presidential election to stupid stan wars says it all tbh. People's lives are actually going to be affected if Trump wins The vast majority of Americans support trans people as a basic platitude and trans adults' healthcare being between them and their doctor. Polling shows this. Republicans lost elections in 2022 running on attacking trans people and lost. I understand if someone is not American that the loud far right voice could make this nuance pass people by, but no one is criticizing Harris for trying to win. We're saying her political acumen is poor and she's making poor decisions that actually hurt her chances of winning. 4
Sheep Posted October 25 Posted October 25 It's 4 pages of accidentally pro-fascist morality dick measuring isn't it? Somebody quote me I love myself too much to actually read it. 1 1 3
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