PoisonPill Posted October 25 Posted October 25 It really is hilarious how Democrats always fall into the trap of trying to cosplay as Diet Republican, despite it never working out from them. Like who on her team decided that her closing message in the final week should be 'Look guys, Liz Cheney is voting for me!" 5 4
PoisonPill Posted October 25 Posted October 25 6 hours ago, Dei said: i don't like this answer of "well follow the law". She's running for the highest position, so we expect her to be more leader-like and not a follower That's the problem, she is not a leader by nature. She's a play-it-safe, risk averse career politician who will never be the first to take a stand for anything. She has no coherent ideology on anything, other than being a blank vessel for focus group-tested talking points. 5
nostalgic Posted October 25 Posted October 25 56 minutes ago, 45seconds said: That is not an indication of intellect. She's not an orator and is a politician and speaks like one. She has proven she is smart by, again, passing the bar. Becoming a states attorney and a senator. I would expect a former prosecutor to be able to lay out a case and yes, to speak properly and directly like she's speaking to a group of jurors and this is her last chance to convince them. She supposedly did that for years 3
hallucinate Posted October 25 Posted October 25 i get that she's in a tricky situation and doesn't want to lose any votes but that was such a terrible response
Headlock Posted October 25 Posted October 25 10 hours ago, Communion said: I said I don't like you and conservative cause you said most homeless people "deserve to be homeless" and are "just lazy drug addicts who want to live outside". "This is what makes me a conservative." Who is more likely to vote for Trump: > progressives asking Harris to be more supportive of trans people > self-identified conservative Democrats who express they will not support progressive Democrats? The only thing people need to be aware of when understanding the motivation of users is that users like you who defend Harris making ineffective appeals to the right that actually hurt her chances at winning aren't concerned with winning but advancing your own conservative agenda. No one cares if someone who describes themselves as "politically conservative" claims being a progressive is being a Trump supporter. You're the Trump supporter. Like they full say they saw "the failure of progressive policies with their own eyes" in that same thread, and we're the Trump supporters? Like saying "Unfortunately, we've seen how people cannot be left to their own devices to make good choices. Maybe a little tough love is what we really need" regarding homeless people is INSANE 1
Headlock Posted October 25 Posted October 25 7 hours ago, Harrier said: She did not reaffirm bigotry, she avoided giving bigots a reason to not vote for her by not stating her actual view clearly. That is an important and key difference. Genuine question: do you truly think there are people, who you yourself call "bigots," who were going to vote for Kamala but would change their mind if she supported trans kids? 5
BadHabits Posted October 25 Posted October 25 She doesn't want to say yes because she's worried she'll alienate people who could potentially vote for her.
Onyxmage Posted October 25 Posted October 25 People in here acting like she's calling for them to be thrown in concentration camps. She truly is held to a different standard than that wannabe fascist. 1 1
shoganai Posted October 25 Posted October 25 Democrats being bigots while pretend not to, how surprising
Headlock Posted October 25 Posted October 25 2 minutes ago, Onyxmage said: People in here acting like she's calling for them to be thrown in concentration camps. She truly is held to a different standard than that wannabe fascist. Posts like this truly feels like aggressive ignorance at this point. Nobody is judging Trump's stances on trans healthcare because NO ONE HERE IS VOTING FOR HIM. We know he's awful. So Kamala continuing to align her politics WITH him is exactly why people are getting more and more frustrated, she keeps moving to the right to acquire the votes of imaginary undecided voters and throwing people ALREADY IN the Democratic base under the bus. The largest voter base are NON-VOTERS, particularly when it comes to potential Democratic voters. You know what gets them to vote? Holding fast in your stated beliefs and not skirting around issues to appear as moderate as possible. She is doing the opposite of what she should be doing. 5 4
Headlock Posted October 25 Posted October 25 12 minutes ago, BadHabits said: She doesn't want to say yes because she's worried she'll alienate people who could potentially vote for her. Who are these people? Who are these voters who were going to vote for her but would not because of supporting trans healthcare? 5
Onyxmage Posted October 25 Posted October 25 10 minutes ago, Headlock said: Posts like this truly feels like aggressive ignorance at this point. Nobody is judging Trump's stances on trans healthcare because NO ONE HERE IS VOTING FOR HIM. We know he's awful. So Kamala continuing to align her politics WITH him is exactly why people are getting more and more frustrated, she keeps moving to the right to acquire the votes of imaginary undecided voters and throwing people ALREADY IN the Democratic base under the bus. The largest voter base are NON-VOTERS, particularly when it comes to potential Democratic voters. You know what gets them to vote? Holding fast in your stated beliefs and not skirting around issues to appear as moderate as possible. She is doing the opposite of what she should be doing. Kamala is NOT aligning with him on anything and she didnt say anything wrong. If anything she would work to strengthen and protect trans rights. Trump is actively working to oppress the LGBT community especially the trans community. Could she have been clearer in her stance? sure but to say that she is aligning with him is absolutely ridiculous. 1
Tcharm Posted October 26 Posted October 26 I really really hope that IF she does lose... Blue MAGA doesn't go on an Anti-Arab and Anti-Trans tirade online or in person. This would have been an easy slam dunk for those around this country concerned about anti Trans laws passed or currently being passed by so many states. 1
LegaMyth Posted October 26 Posted October 26 Question! What all does gender affirming care include??? When I looked it up, I saw hormones treatment, plastic surgery, etc... I want to know if Google is lying to ne. Because if thats what gender affirming care is all about, then ABSOLUTELY NOT. People need medication to live. People are paying $1200 for emergency room visits. People need cancer treatment. Now, if it's social services and mental health counseling, I'm all down for it. But, when it comes to hormones treatment and plastic surgeries, tax payers should not have to pay for that.
awesomepossum Posted October 26 Posted October 26 (edited) 10 hours ago, Bloo said: Again, Andy Beshear won without ceding ground on these issues. She could have stood to simply say, "I believe in trans rights." Trans issues have literally been polled as being the least important issue for voters in recent data. The idea that Kamala needs to fold and dodge even mentioning trans people is baseless posturing. Nobody cares. One of the big takeaways from 2022 was that the anti-trans ads didn't help Republicans in 2022. Also, one more thing, the reaction to the polling on puberty blockers is exactly why I'm tired of the silence of Kamala and the Democrats. Puberty blockers were created for cisgender children who got puberty too early (i.e., precocious puberty) which can lead to critical developmental problems and is, in rare cases, death. Saying, "Oh, well puberty blockers are unpopular so we should fold to win" is ridiculous. Lean in and argue for medical liberty. This type of cowardice is exactly what led to the overturning of Roe v. Wade—where Democrats were growing to become scared of being pro-abortion before the Dobbs decision. This is loop of cowardice to fight for a moral right is why leftists take issue with liberals. This cowardice is a losing strategy and we have so much recent history showing it. cisgender children who get puberty too early aren't given puberty blockers in conjunction with hormone replacement therapy. it's the combination of both that leads to infertility. medical liberty? what does that mean? this is the democratic party. we support government regulation of for-profit enterprise. that doesn't mean we oppose liberty. but allowing big pharma to push pills and injections to minors without some kind of regulation or scientifically-based standard is literally a ron paul argument. what are you talking about democrats' cowardice on abortion leading to the dobbs decision? what are you talking about? the supreme court issued that ruling. the judges trump and his republican predecessors appointed overturned roe. whatever you think of the democratic party, had hillary clinton (or any other democrat, for that matter) been elected in 2016, those appointees would have been pro-choice. even a 'safe, legal, and rare' democrat would appoint pro-choice judges. it's a very consistent litmus test for democrat appointees to the supreme court. hillary clinton argued on tv in favour of late term abortion during one of her debates with trump. i remember it because i've never heard a politician actually defend women who have late term abortions and explain the reality of the situation. whatever you think of her, it was a risk for her to take that position because it is unpopular and not a widely-understood issue. oh and in case you forgot, she LOST that election. republicans have used a caricature of 'late-term abortion' for decades to bash democrats and argue against women's rights. republican justices are the ones that issued the dobbs decision. i'm sorry love but you don't know what you're talking about. Edited October 26 by awesomepossum 1
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted October 26 ATRL Moderator Posted October 26 11 minutes ago, awesomepossum said: cisgender children who get puberty too early aren't given puberty blockers in conjunction with hormone replacement therapy. This has nothing to do with my point. There is so much hysteria around puberty blockers altogether to where uninformed people want to ban them altogether. I don't really care to respond to the rest of your post. Trans youth deserve basic rights and the healthcare they need to reduce suicide ideation is best left to the doctor, parents, and the youth themselves. Government should stay out of those decisions. 1
awesomepossum Posted October 26 Posted October 26 58 minutes ago, Bloo said: This has nothing to do with my point. There is so much hysteria around puberty blockers altogether to where uninformed people want to ban them altogether. I don't really care to respond to the rest of your post. Trans youth deserve basic rights and the healthcare they need to reduce suicide ideation is best left to the doctor, parents, and the youth themselves. Government should stay out of those decisions. no one is saying trans youth don't deserve basic rights. the question is how best to do that. if only doctors in the us existed outside of the for-profit system, as they do in other countries that have implemented restrictions (not prohibitions) on these types of treatments for minors. but, they don't.
Marianah Adkins Posted October 26 Posted October 26 7 hours ago, Tcharm said: I really really hope that IF she does lose... Blue MAGA doesn't go on an Anti-Arab and Anti-Trans tirade online or in person. This would have been an easy slam dunk for those around this country concerned about anti Trans laws passed or currently being passed by so many states. Win or lose, the Blue MAGA's smugness will come for the Muslims either way. This is what they mean when they say theyre ****** with either choice 1 1
Cyanide Posted October 26 Posted October 26 22 hours ago, noodlelymph said: Ok I'm to understand that liberals lesser eviled themselves into supporting genocide and kicking undocumented workers to the curb partly to protect trans rights and now that Harris has shown her ass on this issue, they're moving goalposts. "bUt tRuMp, bUt tRump!!" what other excuses will they make when this right wing pandering spineless ghoul decides to throw the next marginalized community under the bus 18 hours ago, Bloo said: Jill Stein getting 5% of the popular vote (regardless of where it comes from) would secure federal financial funding of the Green Party which would help them downballot across the country. That's the actual goal which is, frankly, more motivating than voting for Kamala in a deep Blue or deep Red state. xx
John Slayne Posted October 26 Posted October 26 she had so much hype in july and is wasting it on trying to appeal to Republicans 2
Headlock Posted October 26 Posted October 26 (edited) 11 hours ago, awesomepossum said: no one is saying trans youth don't deserve basic rights. the question is how best to do that. if only doctors in the us existed outside of the for-profit system, as they do in other countries that have implemented restrictions (not prohibitions) on these types of treatments for minors. but, they don't. Hmm, I wonder if there's a way to… change that? Like… pass laws? Campaign for healthcare reform? Show support for trans youth and gender-affirming care and use that as a jumping off point to discuss your plans for healthcare reform? But of course looking to a potential future President to implement changes to move the US towards a single-payer healthcare system (which is supported by the majority of Americans, particularly democratic voters) is silly right? This is America, we have to suck it up and vote for… maintaining the status quo! What an inspirational message to get voters out to the polls! Edited October 26 by Headlock 1
SpaceOddity Posted October 26 Posted October 26 Well, now that she's made it perfectly clear that she doesn't give a single **** about the LGBTQI community, what will the liberals use to distract from the fact their zionist girlboss is just as bad as the orange guy and that the US have nothing close to an actual progressive person representing them? 1
Communion Posted October 26 Posted October 26 9 hours ago, awesomepossum said: no one is saying trans youth don't deserve basic rights. the question is how best to do that. if only doctors in the us existed outside of the for-profit system, as they do in other countries that have implemented restrictions (not prohibitions) on these types of treatments for minors. but, they don't. People like you are exactly why people leftists are harsh on Kamala not being clear on this issue, because you weasel your way into the emptiness left in her inaction and adopt progressive-sounding rhetoric to push anti-trans talking points. 8
awesomepossum Posted October 26 Posted October 26 6 hours ago, Communion said: People like you are exactly why people leftists are harsh on Kamala not being clear on this issue, because you weasel your way into the emptiness left in her inaction and adopt progressive-sounding rhetoric to push anti-trans talking points.
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