news Kamala Harris on the genocide in Gaza: "The first, most tragic story is October 7."

[Sazare]

6 hours ago, Harrier said:

Are there really voters out there she needs that won't vote for her unless she says this dumb ****? Apart from being immoral, it's also just bad strategy. She was toeing the line more effectively early on but unless she really wants to underperform Biden with young voters as well as Muslims, it is time for an 11th hour pivot on this issue. With things being this close it is not an exaggeration to suggest this could be what costs it for her.

Whether we like it or not, Israel still has considerable support among the American populace, particularly in comparison to its adversaries. To a large chunk of the electorate, to not support Israel is to support terrorism (the irony there is not lost on me):

 

[Sazare]

5 hours ago, Letemtalk said:

Surely American adults can see how terrible US media is and look elsewhere?

They can't see that, no. And a large subset of those who do seek out alternatives to the mainstream media wind up even further down right-wing foxholes. OANN, Newsmax, Gateway Pundit, etc. all wait in the wings for those who become disillusioned with "Big Media," and as far as I know there isn't a left-wing American news source with anywhere near the same reach.

[LIT]

This is a blatant admission that she considers Palestinian lives as having less value than Israeli lives. There's no other way to interpret this statement where she is framing October 7th, during which 690 Israeli noncombatants died, as being "more tragic" than the past year of genocide in Gaza during which over 100,000 Palestinians have been massacred by the military her administration is funding and arming.

 

Indefensible. I don't ever want to hear her cheerleaders claim she is "the better candidate on Palestine" again. 

[Sazare]

12 minutes ago, LIT said:

Indefensible. I don't ever want to hear her cheerleaders claim she is "the better candidate on Palestine" again. 

She still is, unfortunately. Here's the plan Trump laid out for Israel/Palestine during his presidency: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_peace_plan

 

It's worse, and Trump's rhetoric has only grown more pro-Israel since October of last year. I know we're all tired of "the lesser of two evils," but Harris still is, in fact, just that. I don't like it, and I understand why one might be so demoralized by these two options as to vote third-party or not vote at all. But the reality is that, on this issue, between Harris and Trump, Harris is still Less Bad, however low that bar may be.

Edited October 20 by Sazare

[stevyy]

10 hours ago, IBeMe said:

Wtf?! Now she's ranking tragedies? 
also…the palestinian genocide, ethnic cleansing and displacements began like 70+ years ago so no oct 7 isnt the first chapter of this…

i feel like, nobody is talking about october 7 anymore. 

She pointed out that Hamas attacked Israel. She isn't wrong. 

[Vixen Eyes]

9 hours ago, Stankonia said:

The way americans REFUSE to chose between anything else than worse and worser. The way they fully get behind the candidate which they deem to be the least awful and start stanning them like their favorite popgirl, shielding them from all criticism. Maybe the dumb allegations were deserved after all.

 

And the rest of the world just has to sit there and suffer the consequences, over and over again.

the candidates are not up to the citizens, its up to the politicians to elect them for us to vote between.

[Uncatena]

1 hour ago, stevyy said:

i feel like, nobody is talking about october 7 anymore. 

I'm begging you to tell me that this was meant satirically because zionist physically cannot talk about anything other than Ocobter 7

 

1 hour ago, stevyy said:

She pointed out that Hamas attacked Israel. She isn't wrong. 

 

And she didn't "point it out", she claimed it's the greater tragedy. As @LIT already said well in their post above, this is indisputably an admission of her not caring for Palestinian lives, as evidenced by her full width support of their genocide.

[whiteferrari]

vile

[ClashAndBurn]

14 hours ago, Sazare said:

She still is, unfortunately. Here's the plan Trump laid out for Israel/Palestine during his presidency: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_peace_plan

 

It's worse, and Trump's rhetoric has only grown more pro-Israel since October of last year. I know we're all tired of "the lesser of two evils," but Harris still is, in fact, just that. I don't like it, and I understand why one might be so demoralized by these two options as to vote third-party or not vote at all. But the reality is that, on this issue, between Harris and Trump, Harris is still Less Bad, however low that bar may be.

The Abraham Accords were a Trump policy that the Biden Administration pursued continuity with to ensure normalization of relations between Israel and Arab leaders in order to sideline Palestinians (rendering them completely irrelevant and powerless over their own fate) and to isolate Iran. Biden literally put Brett McGurk, who was one of Trump's Middle East strategists, in charge of Israel-Palestine policy. The outcome of the election with regard to Israel and Gaza will be more or less the same. Kamala may just spout some performative nonsense  and not be giving the green light to go full genocide in public while ultimately pursuing the same policies as Trump would have in private.

Edited October 21 by ClashAndBurn

[stevyy]

39 minutes ago, Uncatena said:

I'm begging you to tell me that this was meant satirically because zionist physically cannot talk about anything other than Ocobter 7

 

 

And she didn't "point it out", she claimed it's the greater tragedy. As @LIT already said well in their post above, this is indisputably an admission of her not caring for Palestinian lives, as evidenced by her full width support of their genocide.

this is interpretation... not factual. 

[Ghiles]

2 hours ago, Sazare said:

Whether we like it or not, Israel still has considerable support among the American populace, particularly in comparison to its adversaries. To a large chunk of the electorate, to not support Israel is to support terrorism (the irony there is not lost on me):

 

Do Americans even know what is the Palestinian Authority? they always think i'm talking about Hamas when I bring up the PA, which would explain the results here

 

Edited October 20 by Ghiles

[Communion]

16 minutes ago, stevyy said:

this is interpretation... not factual. 

"Israel's genocide isn't really an issue"

"Location: .dk"

 

Sit this one out. 

[DAP]

7 hours ago, dussel_06 said:

And when you have smaller siblings that has no choice but to be under custody of either one of them, what now? You still don't vote?
 

Because one of them is taking custody whether you like it or not.

A parent's custody rights can be contested if the well being of the kids is precarious.

 

Just as the authority of a politician or a state can be challenged if the circumstance is dire.

 

You can do what you want. I won't begrudge you for voting Kamala, but you do have more choices than you believe.

[AvadaKedavra]

Deaths cant be ranked. All of them are tragedies of the same weight. The palestinians, the israelis, the lebanese. 
All the innocent people who were just livin their peaceful lives with their families and didnt wanna take part of this senseless war
this will divide the progressive party even more. The Kamalas party-democratic party is definitely very disconnected with their voters.
This can be the end for her

Edited October 20 by AvadaKedavra

[Uncatena]

2 hours ago, stevyy said:

this is interpretation... not factual. 

Except words have meaning and she said a complete sentence that leaves little room for interpretation. And I don't need to hear it from her lips, her actions speak loud enough. 

[John Slayne]

Dems would rather lose to Trump than not support Israel's genocide, that much seems to be clear now. 

[commander]

Lesser of two evils my ass 

Edited October 20 by commander

[stevyy]

every generation deserves the government they vote for. 

[stevyy]

1 hour ago, Uncatena said:

Except words have meaning and she said a complete sentence that leaves little room for interpretation. And I don't need to hear it from her lips, her actions speak loud enough. 

what actions?

[naomi24]

Why did she say Oct 7 is the biggest tragedy as if the thousands of Palestinian lives before and after it are second rate in value

[Novacaine]

And people had the audacity to scourge Chappell Roan for simply saying we deserve better than the two candidates we got. 

[SignificantOther]

If enabling genocide isn't enough to stop you from voting for this awful woman, then you really have no moral compass. 

[brazil]

So before October 7 there was no conflict? 200 Palestinians were killed by Israel in 2023 before the attack, this attempt at gaslighting is sick.

Edited October 21 by brazil

[ClashAndBurn]

3 hours ago, brazil said:

So before October 7 there was no conflict? 200 Palestinians were killed by Israel in 2023 before the attack, this attempt at gaslighting is sick.

That is the common belief held by most Americans and Israelis. The conflict started on October 7, nothing happened at all before that, and the Palestinians deserve what they've gotten.

[Creationist.X]

I wish she suffers in the worst ways of terror she made to every palestenian and lebanese on this planet. 

Same goes to every American who votes for her. 

Middle east will never be easy?? Well **** you maybe if you minded your own business then people would love in peace there and continue their dreams .