news Kamala Harris on the genocide in Gaza: "The first, most tragic story is October 7."

[Richie.Valdez]

6 hours ago, Donquizote said:

The fact that this is what Americans will vote for

She will lose.. the past 2 weeks polls numbers don't look bright for her.  
 

it's a shame because she really had strong momentum but her team didn't play their cards right.

[Tovitov]

1 minute ago, TeemoR said:

The problem (among many others) is that her answers are so structured and calculated. She is not even honest. We don't even know what her true feelings are about this war. She's just saying what she is instructed to say. They are all playing games. 

I don't disagree. I feel like she's been extra careful not to break from Biden or piss off the pro-Israel flank of the party(or Israel itself for that matter).  Which is why I think she'll be tougher on Israel and more left-wing then how she's currently campaigning. Of course, no one on this forum believes this but I'll keep saying it 

[Terrielle]

this ****

[Joey307]

I don't understand why she gets to run for president when no one actually voted for her and she failed in 2020 to get the nominee 

[Pheromosa]

I don't think this stance will cause her to lose. Those people really are doomed though, it's so unfortunate 

[noodlelymph]

A vile piece of **** excuse for a human being is all I can say about this dirty wretched ***** 

[noodlelymph]

I hope she loses in November and every single one of her voters should be deeply ashamed of themselves. There's no excuse for this 

[Tovitov]

Just now, noodlelymph said:

I hope she loses in November and every single one of her voters should be deeply ashamed of themselves. There's no excuse for this 

I won't feel ashamed for voting to protect abortions rights, trans rights and trying to stop what mass round up deportation plan Trump is apparently planning. I heard the same kind of talk in 2016 and we lost Roe v Wade and now women are dying trying to get access to reproductive care. People shouldn't be ashamed on not voting for her, but the opposite is also very true. 

[noodlelymph]

1 minute ago, Tovitov said:

I won't feel ashamed for voting to protect abortions rights, trans rights and trying to stop what mass round up deportation plan Trump is apparently planning. I heard the same kind of talk in 2016 and we lost Roe v Wade and now women are dying trying to get access to reproductive care. People shouldn't be ashamed on not voting for her, but the opposite is also very true. 

You're making excuses. Isntreal is Currently committing mass executions in north Gaza of every Palestinian man, literal firing squads on hundreds of men with full diplomatic cover from this piece of trash woman. You should be deeply ashamed of yourself for supporting this holocaust of the Palestinian people. I'll say it over and over again because your morally indecent self will pretend later on after the genocide that you cared about this issue. 
every single one of you Kamala voters endorsed this genocide. Every single one of you decided that this didn't matter enough to you to withhold your vote. 

[wastedpotential]

22 minutes ago, noodlelymph said:

You're making excuses. Isntreal is Currently committing mass executions in north Gaza of every Palestinian man, literal firing squads on hundreds of men with full diplomatic cover from this piece of trash woman. You should be deeply ashamed of yourself for supporting this holocaust of the Palestinian people. I'll say it over and over again because your morally indecent self will pretend later on after the genocide that you cared about this issue. 
every single one of you Kamala voters endorsed this genocide. Every single one of you decided that this didn't matter enough to you to withhold your vote. 

And yet, no matter how Americans choose to vote these deaths will continue unabated. The possible paths forward from this point are: A) a united "left" coalition comes together and defeats Trump, B) Jill Stein/Claudia De La Cruz/write-in's/protests manage pull away enough votes in places like Michigan that Harris's votes are split and Trump wins, C) Kamala wins without the assistance of the progressive coalition and Muslim Americans, or D) Trump's strength in key swing states is enough to put him over the edge regardless.

 

None of those options include a victor interested in ending US support for Israel, and therefore most voters (excluding the progressive coalition and most Muslim-American voters) are going to vote for the candidate that best represents their domestic policy goals. According to the most recent issues poll I can find, the "situation in the Middle East between Israelis and Palestinians" is the 15th most concerning issue for Americans in this election of the options polled, with 31% of the electorate considering it "very important" (a number that skews slightly towards Republican-leaning independents, meaning that a slight majority of these people are probably more concerned with a potential Harris administration not going "far enough" against the Palestinians than vice versa). 

 

It's your right to disagree with their thought process and to express your own thoughts, but there is literally a zero percent chance that the winner of the election doesn't continue to support (or perpetuate) the genocide, and most Americans are voting with that in mind. Shame them as you see fit, but I don't think that'll change much. 

[Ghiles]

6 hours ago, BlackBat said:

She's valuing the Liz Chenys because they are willing to compromise on some issues and work with her. Things that progressives aren't doing.

Compromise... with genocide? You literally did the meme

 

 

Edited October 20 by Ghiles

[Uncatena]

she is going to lose colossally and she deserves it. 

[prettyinpink940]

2 minutes ago, Uncatena said:

she is going to lose colossally and she deserves it. 

so trump deserves to win instead of her? 

[Raver]

She's no different from Biden and she said she would do nothing differently from him. Shes not the change she claims she is 

[bad guy]

Apart from that ghoulish answer, she doesn't even have conviction in the things she's saying. It's just scripts and word salads which is almost just as bad. If she can't even criticize Israel without coddling it like a baby then she is too weak to be a leader, sorry. Grossly incompetent and I can't believe this is where we are in 2024.

[Uncatena]

Just now, prettyinpink940 said:

so trump deserves to win instead of her? 

I won't even entertain this reply but I'll say that it pretty much sums up American politics at this moment lmfao

 

1 hour ago, Richie.Valdez said:

She will lose.. the past 2 weeks polls numbers don't look bright for her.  
 

it's a shame because she really had strong momentum but her team didn't play their cards right.

I've never seen someone wanting to lose this badly. She was served this presidency on a silver platter with basically a clean slate but because she is a coward still looking for Genocide Joe's approval, she is running on his platform. They had great momentum too, at the start, with great talking points but then she started this whole bipartisan bullshit and talking about the genocide this way and even Tim Walz started to talk very differently in public. I have absolutely no empathy for her losing, she and her team made their own damn bed.

 

[mons†er]

5 hours ago, Stankonia said:

You're right it's so wild how non-americans have time to criticize the us' warmongering policies that result in the death of countless innocent civilians. How lame tbh!

 

Also my bad for not realizing americans have no choice but to elect genocide enthusiats or else they would stop breathing and drop dead immediately. Thank you for educating me.

 

"Always remember with how much yall criticize non-American's we are a lot more free than other countries, have more resources and still have immigrants migrating here for a better life. "

 

Good for you having more money and freedom than the countries you bomb I'm sure the hundreds of thousands of people who were killed at the hands of your governement over the years died happy and at peace knowing that their sacrifice would enrich you

You clearly don't understand how American politics work. The President is just a spokesman for the country. Congress is really where the issue lies and we have been fighting for a change in Congress for years. 
 

American's don't even want wars, we're more upset that wars are being prioritized over supporting our veterans, health care, academia, housing among other spaces of living here.  You're trying to speak for Americans when you're not even American and don't know how our justice system works. 

[Communion]

8 hours ago, BlackBat said:

Were Muslims, Arabs or bothsider progressives ever going to vote for her in the first place?

I mean, yes, these demographics are literally historically Democratic voters.

 

In Michigan alone:

• 2020 - Biden - 84% of Dearborn
• 2022 - Whitmer - 79% of Dearborn

[mons†er]

5 hours ago, Windy Day said:

americans have more freedom than other countries but don't have the freedom to chose between more than two candidates who are "both evil"? 

Because Politicians in general are corrupted.

Unlike other countries, we have other aspects of justice to try to deter the corruption. Are we successful, 9 times out of 10 no. Are we better off than other countries, absolutely. 

 

Neither Dems or Republicans are actually for the people, they are usually trying to advance their own agendas and in order to do that they have to align with unethical parties and practices.

 

Now let me ask you which one is more evil:

the white man who hates everyone who isn't a KKK member or the black woman who is for war and fumbles on policies to protect the American people? 

 

[Communion]

6 hours ago, Anthinos said:

And what exactly is wrong with her statement?

"This tragedy started with - the first tragedy of October 7th"

 

May 2022 - Shireen Abu Akleh, journalist for Al Jazeera, assassinated by member of the IDF

 

June 2022 - UN confirm US intelligence holds Israel responsible for the murder of Palestinian-American journalist

 

September 2022 - Israeli government says no one will be charged with the murder of American journalist

 

October 2022 - Four Palestinian teens murdered after raids on multiple Palestinian refugee camps

 

November 2022 - Progressive Israeli group attacked by IDF for protesting far-right Israeli government

 

December 2022 - Israel government begins demolishing schools within Palestinian territories

 

January 2023 - IDF launches air strikes including drones strikes on Palestinian refugee camp in Jenin

 

February 2023 - Israeli settlers begin multi-day pogrom, burning down homes in the village of Hawara, resulting in multiple deaths while joined by members of the Israeli parliament

 

March 2023 - Israeli top minister calls for expedited annexation of Palestinian land to continue, says there "is no such thing as Palestinian people"

 

April 2023 - Israeli settlers attack Palestinians praying at what is considered the holiest mosque in the world

 

May 2023 - 19-year-old Palestinian girl murdered by Israeli settler, conservatives on Israeli social media raise $50k for him in GoFundMe

 

June 2023 - Israeli government destroys only medical hospital in largest Palestinian refugee camp

 

July 2023 - Israel government begins filling watering holes with cement, including in South Hebron

 

August 2023 - Israel police caught kidnapping Palestinian teen and branding a Star of David on his face

[BYoncé]

It's like she saw how good the momentum was and wants to do anything she can to stop it... Kopmala pls...

[Sazare]

1 hour ago, noodlelymph said:

Every single one of you decided that this didn't matter enough to you to withhold your vote. 

Withholding one's vote is even dumber than voting third-party or writing-in  Something like 30% of Americans already "withhold" their votes every single election cycle and it doesn't help anyone.

[mons†er]

5 hours ago, Letemtalk said:

You make it sound as if Americans adults are infants, only capable of making gurgling ‎sounds and soiling their pants.

 

Surely American adults can see how terrible US media is and look elsewhere?

 

Israeli media are often terribly biased, but sometimes far more honest than CNN. For example on Haaretz you'll find evidence that it was Netanyahu who attempted to block every hostage deal. Not sure if this story has appeared on mainstream US media, or if it will ever appear there.

 

No one other than Americans are responsible for their biased media, terrible political parties, terrible candidates and voting systems.

 

So now you are heading into an election and many Americans will vote for genocide.

But you won't take responsibility for it will you? You'll blame it on someone else.

I'm not taking responsibility for it

because

1.) I'm not voting for genocide, I'm voting between two evils and choosing which one will be better for me for the next 4 years. That's the whole point of an election.

 

2.) The issue is Congress not The President.

 

Here's some insight, instead of attacking the American people who do not want a war, and would prefer the money go to housing, veterans, food, education, women's rights your issue is with Congress not us.  I myself have been very vocal against Israel and the war.

 

I personally don't want to vote for either one of them but if I don't vote, I don't have any space to complain about the state of America. Our hands our tied at the end of the day and many of you don't seem to understand that. Y'all are just angry and spewing retorts without actually doing your research & being open-minded. America may say Land Of The Free but they forgot the rest of the saying. 

 

Land of the free, but only to an extent. 

[réveuse]

3 hours ago, satellites.™ said:

Who is backed by the KKK, comments like this are why I DONT feel like everyone else in this thread does, you guys pick and choose which genocides to throw your weight behind.

 

hypocrites.

 

KAMALA 2024!

Richard Spencer endorsed the Democrats.

[Communion]

3 hours ago, satellites.™ said:

Who is backed by the KKK

Genuinely one of the most idiotic comments on here and to a level of degree of poor media literacy that it would make anyone literate want to publicly shame and ostracize you. 

 

You can compartmentalize your inner shame for voting for Harris without shouting nonsense.