news Kamala Harris on the genocide in Gaza: "The first, most tragic story is October 7."

[BlackBat]

33 minutes ago, Virgos Groove said:

I know you're being sarcastic, but I do wanna ask something to the people who say they'll push her left: you'll do that with what leverage?

If, they had a reliable coalition that consistently showed up, more people would take their leverage more seriously.

 

Showing up for some elections and disappearing for others is weird.

[єѕℓαм]

Dumb ***** 

[Virgos Groove]

25 minutes ago, BlackBat said:

Were Muslims, Arabs or bothsider progressives ever going to vote for her in the first place? From the beginning I've heard they weren't going to vote for Biden and then her.

86% of Muslim voters voted for Biden in 2020.

 

26 minutes ago, BlackBat said:

The message that people are seeing is that the Republicans for Harris crowd are saying that no matter their policy disagreements, they can't let Trump win.

Which are fewer and fewer every day. Anti-Trump Republicans are not lining up for Kamala. They're not sacrificing anything. They're using their vote as leverage to get policy concessions out of her (see: removing death penalty abolition of the platform, a Republican in the cabinet, a right-wing turn in foreign policy). And that's fine. That's what politics is about: negotiating positions in exchange for votes.

 

But why can't progressives do the same? Progressives and pro-Palestine protesters are pretty clear about they want: for the US government to follow US law and impose an arms embargo on Israel. Not cheap rethoric about ceasefires or leaked angry calls with Netanyahu. They want actual results.

 

Kamala clearly values Liz Cheney more. 

[Letters From Adi]

Watch Dem voters come gaslight others "BUT SHE"S DOING THIS TO STOP THE ORANGE MAN!!!"

[BlackBat]

7 minutes ago, Virgos Groove said:

86% of Muslim voters voted for Biden in 2020.

 

Which are fewer and fewer every day. Anti-Trump Republicans are not lining up for Kamala. They're not sacrificing anything. They're using their vote as leverage to get policy concessions out of her (see: removing death penalty abolition of the platform, a Republican in the cabinet, a right-wing turn in foreign policy). And that's fine. That's what politics is about: negotiating positions in exchange for votes.

 

But why can't progressives do the same? Progressives and pro-Palestine protesters are pretty clear about they want: for the US government to follow US law and impose an arms embargo on Israel. Not cheap rethoric about ceasefires or leaked angry calls with Netanyahu. They want actual results.

 

Kamala clearly values Liz Cheney more. 

From the beginning of this year, they made it known they weren't going to vote for Biden and everyone knows that. As soon as Kamala was announced, they made it known she's not getting their vote. The stunts they pulled with black democrats in Michigan made people pull back from them.

 

Progressives can do whatever they want. I'm just speaking the truth that people don't take them seriously because of their lack of coalition. Build a coalition that consistently shows up for all elections on every level. This is how it is for most other democratic countries around the world.

 

It's the same reason why people side eye your Green Party. 

 

If, someone Iike Jill Stein actually cared about building support for the Green Party she would focus on starting locally and then building up support to run for a state election. Jumping on hot button issues for some presidential  elections and then going back into hiding isn't a winning strategy or a pathway to a real movement. 

 

 

And if she loses, it won't force the Democrats to move right.

 

If, she wins without them, then they are effectively politically homeless.

 

She's valuing the Liz Chenys because they are willing to compromise on some issues and work with her. Things that progressives aren't doing.

[JennyWayne]

1 hour ago, Donquizote said:

The fact that this is what Americans will vote for

And the fact that she is the lesser of two evils is just-

Edited October 20 by JennyWayne

[JO1s]

46 minutes ago, Miley Cyrus said:

Michigan vote for Jill Stein  

So you want a 2nd term of trump?

 

Americans litterally don't have a choice between her and trump. Jill isn't even on the ballot in enough states to win the electoral college and even if she was, she is not a serious politician. The old bat only comes out every 4 years during an election cycle, her and her party haven't even held a single elected position even at the local level. 

[Bloodflowers.]

She gave such a politician type of answer in that video  absolutely nothing of supstance was said 

[P.O.P]

She knows she is going to lose and she is trying to keep her political career afloat after the election.

Smart, from her side.

[Ger.vaz]

2 hours ago, Sheep said:

We're being force fed 2 choices that both support it. There are vast numbers of Americans who do legitimately support these atrocities, but it's because they've been brainwashed by mainstream US news media. Just like everywhere else in the world outside of Isntreal, people who are informed do NOT support this.

 

The corporations breathing down uncle sam's neck to make sure we continue enabling this genocide for profit are the same corporations who gaslit the American public into supporting pointless and imperialistic wars for most of the past 20 years that killed our own in the thousands and supercharged the growth of income inequality. American citizens are not the enemy.

At the end of the day, as individuals in a society, they have an obligation to inform themselves about what is going on. Ignorance is no excuse when you live in a country that is supposed to be the richest in the world. They have all the tools to educate themselves and elect their representatives appropriately. From my point of view, it is as much their fault as it is the fault of the big corporations.

[Embustera]

This woman is a joke. I hope she loses.

[Anthinos]

And what exactly is wrong with her statement? She mostly avoided the question, but in essence she said something completely normal that the majority of people would agree with. As always, the reactions from the left are completely exaggerated and it's getting really tiring. The fact that some here want a fascist, who is much worse on this issue, to win just to show the Democrats is really scary.

[Thin White Duke]

 

 

Colour me shocked.

[shimind]

Can't she shut her mouth till the election day. It's only making a way for trump 

[Cloudy]

She is really losing huh?

 

 

 

[TeemoR]

Disgusting.

[réveuse]

Please don't vote for this disgusting lady.

[Sombre]

I hope she rots in the deepest pits of hell.

[TeemoR]

19 minutes ago, Anthinos said:

And what exactly is wrong with her statement? She mostly avoided the question, but in essence she said something completely normal that the majority of people would agree with. As always, the reactions from the left are completely exaggerated and it's getting really tiring. The fact that some here want a fascist, who is much worse on this issue, to win just to show the Democrats is really scary.

1) why THE most tragic? As if what Palestinians have been through isn't enough.

 

2) Wrong time to mention it when asked about Muslims and Palestinian support. 

 

3) She's scared to lose Jewish support, which is getting exhausting at this point…

[Thickorita]

Interesting she only uses the words slaughter and rape to describe what happens to Israelis.

[mons†er]

2 hours ago, Stankonia said:

The way americans REFUSE to chose between anything else than worse and worser. The way they fully get behind the candidate which they deem to be the least awful and start stanning them like their favorite popgirl, shielding them from all criticism. Maybe the dumb allegations were deserved after all.

 

And the rest of the world just has to sit there and suffer the consequences, over and over again.

It's wild how non-American's have so much time to criticize us. What you don't understand is there are certain powers and influences that as American's we cannot impact and have been trying to change for years. 

 

What else you don't seem to realize is politics in the U.S. has forever and will forever be about choosing the lesser of two evils. No politician will ever be able to unite us as a nation or make all of us happy. Also, to be a successful politician you have to do some really terrible things and lose your ethics. 

 

Always remember with how much yall criticize non-American's we are a lot more free than other countries, have more resources and still have immigrants migrating here for a better life. 

[Harrier]

Are there really voters out there she needs that won't vote for her unless she says this dumb ****? Apart from being immoral, it's also just bad strategy. She was towing the line more effectively early on but unless she really wants to underperform Biden with young voters as well as Muslims, it is time for an 11th hour pivot on this issue. With things being this close it is not an exaggeration to suggest this could be what costs it for her.

[brraap]

She's ******* useless 

[IBeMe]

11 minutes ago, Harrier said:

Are there really voters out there she needs that won't vote for her unless she says this dumb ****? Apart from being immoral, it's also just bad strategy. She was toeing the line more effectively early on but unless she really wants to underperform Biden with young voters as well as Muslims, it is time for an 11th hour pivot on this issue. With things being this close it is not an exaggeration to suggest this could be what costs it for her.

The Israeli lobby and her want to prove a point that they can win an election without budging AT ALL and giving a blank check to Israel for absolutely every war crime including the crime of all crimes: genocide. This is kinda a social experiment they are conducting and it's risky. This is in part why it would actually be smart to push for her to lose to prove to aipac and the elites in both parties that blind support for Israel can cost u electorally but some ppl can ignore the sin of all sins which is genocide…and vote for her I guess. I get there are other things at stake but idk… 

[Stankonia]

9 minutes ago, mons†er said:

It's wild how non-American's have so much time to criticize us. What you don't understand is there are certain powers and influences that as American's we cannot impact and have been trying to change for years. 

 

What else you don't seem to realize is politics in the U.S. has forever and will forever be about choosing the lesser of two evils. No politician will ever be able to unite us as a nation or make all of us happy. Also, to be a successful politician you have to do some really terrible things and lose your ethics. 

 

Always remember with how much yall criticize non-American's we are a lot more free than other countries, have more resources and still have immigrants migrating here for a better life. 

You're right it's so wild how non-americans have time to criticize the us' warmongering policies that result in the death of countless innocent civilians. How lame tbh!

 

Also my bad for not realizing americans have no choice but to elect genocide enthusiats or else they would stop breathing and drop dead immediately. Thank you for educating me.

 

"Always remember with how much yall criticize non-American's we are a lot more free than other countries, have more resources and still have immigrants migrating here for a better life. "

 

Good for you having more money and freedom than the countries you bomb I'm sure the hundreds of thousands of people who were killed at the hands of your governement over the years died happy and at peace knowing that their sacrifice would enrich you