Communion Posted October 12 Posted October 12 The proposal has caused quite a shock on social media. 2 2
beautiful player Posted October 12 Posted October 12 She's only saying this to win the election. No need to panic. 1
Bosque Posted October 12 Posted October 12 Progressives: I will never ever vote for Killer Kamala, a vote for her is a vote for genocide, I will never compromise my morals. Hopefully Jill Stein makes history by denying her Michigan and thus the presidency. Kamala Harris: Okay, I will reach out to independents, non-voters and centrists who think Trump is repugnant and could be won over to my side, just like my running mate Joe Biden did successfully in 2020. Progressives: 11 10
Tcharm Posted October 12 Posted October 12 We'll see if this shift right works in a couple weeks. Im glad I have citizenship in two other countries. 2 1
Taylena Posted October 12 Posted October 12 What do you expect from a party that's fully right-wing except when it comes to LGBTQ+ and abortion rights? If Trump wins next month (and i really hope not for the sake of the world), they'll inevitably blame supporting too much leftist policies and shift even further to the right. Voting for Democrats seems like a lost cause. 1 7
Orsay Posted October 12 Posted October 12 The democrats orient themselves completely around beating Trump and everything anti-Trump, openly admit that the republicans have completely lost any semblance of integrity and become the party of Trump/MAGA (they're right about that), then turn around and do **** like this in the name of "bipartisanship" lmfao make it make sense 2
Communion Posted October 12 Author Posted October 12 R 12 minutes ago, Bosque said: Progressives: I will never ever vote for Killer Kamala This is an odd mischaracterization given the Democratic base of working class voters of color largely identify as progressive. Respect though of course to those whose family she's helped kill amongst our Palestinian Americans who feel betrayed. But that only emphasized how horrifically her strategy is doing if she not only loses them but is now depressing those who are already having to convince themselves to vote for her as long time Dem voters through gritted teeth. She could be talking about black mother mortality and we are instead hearing about Liz Cheney's future role in her admin despite being deeply unpopular. 1 5
réveuse Posted October 12 Posted October 12 The Democrats are right-wing. Kamala Harris is a right-winger. 1 8
Letters From Adi Posted October 12 Posted October 12 It would be better if the US is under GOP for 10-16 years and the Dems collapse altogether, so that an actual progressive party comes out rather than an 80% GOP replica. 4 2
ATRL Administrator Ryan Posted October 12 ATRL Administrator Posted October 12 There are actually normal republicans who exist who aren’t far right. The idea that having a bipartisan panel that can help get things done is not a bad thing. The fact that some people take it as such is everything wrong. It actually used to be very normal for GOP admins to have Dems in their cabinet and vice versa. 3 9 1 9
Armani? Posted October 12 Posted October 12 Democrats - Can we do a $5000 child tax credit? Republicans - No Democrats - Let's compromise on $2500 Republicans - No Democrats - C'mon $1000, be nice Republicans - No Democrats - Fine, what about $250 permanently but we extend Trump's Tax Cuts? Republicans - Hmmm 2 4 2
Communion Posted October 12 Author Posted October 12 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Ryan said: There are actually normal republicans who exist who aren't far right Knowing you're a proud Democratic partisan, its hard to believe you actually believe this. It reads as you're walking backwards to a goal instead of acknowledging flawed political strategy. Defending this is silly because, even if you're being earnest, that makes you an outlier amongst Democrats. Polarization is real. Bipartisanship is not popular. Democratic voters have horrifically low and negative views of Republicans. Part of why many people vote Dem is because we hate every Republican candidate - from GWB to McCain to Romney Trump. Edited October 12 by Communion 1 7
JC. Posted October 12 Posted October 12 This is actually smart. From the looks of it, there might be a GOP controlled house and senate after the election. If she is elected, she needs bipartisanship to get things passed. Y'all can complain all you want but she can't anything accomplished without the bipartisanship. 1
Princess Aurora Posted October 12 Posted October 12 Politics is about compromise. Unfortunately, the US isn't a progressive country (people are way more religious than my country Italy which hosts the Vatican just saying), and in order not to get an idiot like Trumpet, sacrifices must be made. Furthermore, Political polarization needs to stop because it's normalizing political violence and damaging the US institutions. 3
family.guy123 Posted October 12 Posted October 12 maybe this will encourage voters to step outside and have conversations with their neighbours 1 1
Communion Posted October 12 Author Posted October 12 5 minutes ago, Princess Aurora said: Politics is about compromise. Actually most Dem voters don't want a candidate to compromise with Republicans. 1
Onyxmage Posted October 12 Posted October 12 24 minutes ago, Ryan said: There are actually normal republicans who exist who aren't far right. The idea that having a bipartisan panel that can help get things done is not a bad thing. The fact that some people take it as such is everything wrong. It actually used to be very normal for GOP admins to have Dems in their cabinet and vice versa. Exactly, the fact that working together is seen as a bad thing now is the real problem. 1 1
Armani? Posted October 12 Posted October 12 25 minutes ago, Ryan said: There are actually normal republicans who exist who aren't far right. The idea that having a bipartisan panel that can help get things done is not a bad thing. The fact that some people take it as such is everything wrong. It actually used to be very normal for GOP admins to have Dems in their cabinet and vice versa. This is giving when Trump loses Democrats and Republicans will suddenly sing kumbaya together, which would be the most surprising thing to happen. GOP voted against every social program/expansion the past 4 years. The only thing a handful agreed on was a privatized infrastructure bill 7 1
Virgos Groove Posted October 12 Posted October 12 19 minutes ago, Ryan said: There are actually normal republicans who exist who aren't far right. The "normal Republicans" in question: Hopefully they can reach a deal on current issues. Nuking half of Iran seems like a good compromise! 2 8 2 1
State of Grace. Posted October 12 Posted October 12 (edited) Jokes are truly writing themselves. Edited October 12 by State of Grace.
ATRL Administrator Ryan Posted October 12 ATRL Administrator Posted October 12 13 minutes ago, Communion said: Knowing you're a proud Democratic partisan, its hard to believe you actually believe this. It reads as you're walking backwards to a goal instead of acknowledging flawed political strategy. Defending this is silly because, even if you're being earnest, that makes you an outlier amongst Democrats. Polarization is real. Bipartisanship is not popular. Democratic voters have horrifically low and negative views of Republicans. Part of why many people vote Dem is because we hate every Republican candidate - from GWB to McCain to Romney Trump. I have worked in government on local, county, state and federal levels. Served on bipartisan committees and think tanks in both democratic and republican administrations. That’s how it is in the real world with people who want and need to get shit done. And even as a democrat, I have voted for republicans in my state who were better fits for the needs of the area and the issues that are heavily localized. 4 1 4
Communion Posted October 12 Author Posted October 12 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Ryan said: have worked in government on local, county, state and federal levels. Served on bipartisan committees and think tanks in both democratic and republican administrations. "I help make the sausage so I can defend what's inside of it and dismiss that people don't like what is in it." You're being silly. You're not taking to a random twitter user. You're talking to someone who deeply also understands politics. You're pivoting to some odd idea of credentials yet such doesn't address the criticism - that this is awful campaigning strategy. Again, the actual data we have shows voters are not compelled by claims of bipartisanship. Polarization means voters are not moved by endorsements or alliance with political forces they hold deeply negative views of and whom they blame for their suffering. We should also talk about how most political institutions have low approvals due to the gridlock caused due to donors and those on the hill demanding bipartisanship always be met but that's another convo. You're trying - whether intentionally or by mistake - to conflate working governance with bipartisanship. Of course we need working governance. Harris should run on the reality that we don't have such because of Republican insanity. Walz' "they are weird" message resonated for this reason. She's now pivoting due to her right wing advisors from calling out this weirdness to defending it and championing it. Edited October 12 by Communion 3 1
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