video clip Palestinians share their thoughts on LGBTQ supporting them

[welham]

4 minutes ago, Patient Zero said:

That you can't just blame Israel for Palestinians being driven into religious fundamentalism. Religious fundamentalism in everywhere, even in places with no conflict. So this argument is just SH1T

No sweetie, you're just dumb. You have a very simplistic and reductionist view of how the world operates.

[bad guy]

Ok well there's also been a genocide going on in Yemen funded by the Saudi's. Another Middle Eastern country that is against gays, women's rights, etc. I personally think they should be safe in their own country and not be slaughtered, bombed, or raped even if their views are conservative, but that's just me.

[Virgos Groove]

41 minutes ago, Patient Zero said:

That you can't just blame Israel for Palestinians being driven into religious fundamentalism.

Yes, we literally can. 

 

Until the early-90s, the Palestinian liberation movement was driven by secular forces (PLO, PFLP). Hamas was propped up by Israel in the 80s as part of a divide-and-conquer strategy and only gained legitimacy among Palestinians after Israel failed to uphold its part of the Oslo accords and deminished the secular leadership, going so far as sieging Arafat.

 

It's not a coincidence that support for Hamas goes up as Israel commits more crimes.

 

 

The rise of Islamic fundamentalism is directly correlated to the supression of secular and leftist forces in the Islamic world.

 

It hapenned in Iraq, when the CIA-supported Saddam Hussein arrested every reformist, socialist and constitutionalist that came to power after the 1968 revolution. This meant that, after Saddam was removed in 2003 and the country was occupied by the US, right-wing forces were the only ones who could mount an opposition. Long story short, ISIS.

 

Same thing with Afghanistan. Brezinsky and the CIA helped fund the mujahideen to fight the socialist government that came to power, indirectly fueling the rise of the Taliban and Bin Laden. When the US eventually occupied the country, the only forces who could fight that were the Taliban.

 

And, obviously, Iran, where the US and the UK helped oust Mossadegh and propped up the Shah, who made sure no secular nationalist force would ever have political relevance. This meant that, when the royal regime fell in 1979, it was the Ayatollah who came to power.

Edited September 19 by Virgos Groove

[Patient Zero]

8 minutes ago, Virgos Groove said:

Yes, we literally can. 

 

Until the early-90s, the Palestinian liberation movement was driven by secular forces (PLO, PFLP). Hamas was propped up by Israel in the 80s as part of a divide-and-conquer strategy and only gained legitimacy among Palestinians after Israel failed to uphold its part of the Oslo accords and deminished the secular leadership, going so far as sieging Arafat.

 

It's not a coincidence that support for Hamas goes up as Israel commits more crimes.

 

 

The rise of Islamic fundamentalism is directly correlated to the supression of secular and leftist forces in the Islamic world.

 

It hapenned in Iraq, when the CIA-supported Saddam Hussein arrested every reformist, socialist and constitutionalist that came to power after the 1968 revolution. This meant that, after Saddam was housted in 2003 and the country was occupied by the US, right-wing forces were the only ones who could mount an opposition. Long story short, ISIS.

 

Same thing with Afghanistan. Brezinsky and the CIA helped fund the mujahideen to fight the socialist government that came to power, indirectly fueling the rise of the Taliban and Bin Laden. When the US eventually occupied the country, the only forces who could fight that were the Taliban.

 

And, obviously, Iran, where the US and the UK helped oust Mossadegh and propped up the Shah, who made sure no secular nationalist force would ever have political relevance. This meant that, when the royal regime fell in 1979, it was the Ayatollah who came to power.

It's a great post, thanks. And I know. But I also said "not just Israel"
We can't just blame Israel. Palestine is a country basically ruled by religion. Resorting to the extreme side of the religion during conflict means there's an issue with the religion by itself. The ideology is also creating these extremists, not just a country.

[SmittenCake]

1 hour ago, thesegayz said:

Hamas murdered 1200 innocent people. How about you start there?

 

can you find me a mainstream news source and not a tweet from some random user that justifies your point? I'll be waiting

hey ding dong how about we start in 1948 

[Shelter]

I mean it's sad to see that but not shocking, are they even allowed to openly support gays. 

[homosexual_behaviour]

not watching that 

 

free palestine 

[StayFrosty]

Wow, only 2 reasonable responses from that video, the dude who said "I support anyone who supports me" and the one who said "I'm all for personal freedom".

 

They could have at least extended some gratitude or positively acknowledged the LGBT support. 

[Aethereal]

13 hours ago, Luckitty said:

his entire channel is a hasbara operation

 

he asks Palestinians in certain ways to get specific answers that he wants out of them 

Yeah not really he asked Israelis about nuking Gaza some said yes. Certainly he wouldn't do that if he was running propaganda operation.

 

 

[LikeATattoo]

This actually just further impassions me to advocate for Palestine's liberation, if only for queer Palestinians.

 

Imagine being a queer Palestinian right now; your people are having an all-powerful genocide inflicted upon them and the majority of your people believe that your sexual identity disqualifies your humanity. Literally surrounded by evil at every turn of your existence, through no fault of your own. We owe it to queer Palestinians to stand with Palestine. It would be the greatest tragedy of all for queer Palestinians to have both of their communities fail them.

 

All of that being said, I refuse to demonise any queer person whose initial reaction to this is simmering anger. Gay people are constantly expected (both by straights and by each other) to "rise above" the evils that are visited upon us, which is both exhausting and unfair. And I think that due to being so horrifically starved of acceptance, some of us fall in line with these demands very willingly. This "perpetually benevolent saint" routine that so many gay people (particularly men) put on hasn't inspired the world to stop torturing us, so maybe some of you should put your virtue-signalling pitchforks down and allow people here to feel. We're humans. We're allowed to be reactive, and to express the sentiments of the moment, and to feel resentment towards the blind hatred that takes our lives. People are allowed to be enraged by the contents of the video, however transparent that its Zionist creator's intentions are.

 

I stand with Palestine and I stand with the queer people who feel pain due to these videos. Queer Palestinians happen to straddle both of the aforementioned groups.

Edited September 20 by LikeATattoo

[Aden]

People can hold multiple beliefs at the same time. Sure it's tragic that Palestinians can be homophobic but I also don't think any cultural group of people should inherently be bombed. It's the same with Western Christians; I don't inherently want them to face genocide either as much as I despise their views.

 

That being said, I'm never going to align myself so deeply and intensely with this conflict like "Queers for Palestine" in the same vein that I'm not going to bat hard for the inherent safety of homophobic Christians.

[Daddy]

I mean, I'm not surprised most people living there are brainwashed bigots, thanks to religion that welcomes the rape of children and hate towards everyone. 

 

Do I want to see them getting systematically killed like the Jews in Nazi-Germany? 

 

No.

[UnusualBoy]

Innocent people are dying for no reason so even if they don't support me for being lgbt, that's on them, not on me.

Edited September 20 by UnusualBoy

[Bethenny Frankel]

I'm not shocked due to the religion that's prevalent in Palestine, but I still don't want people dying.

[dumbsparce]

I don't understand why we have to insert queerness into everything. Yes, there are queer Palestinians but like.. do you think that's their concern right now? Or that it should come as a surprise that a muslim country is not here for us? How one identifies in sexuality and/or gender is irrelevant when people are being bombed simply for existing. Get your head out of your ass, detach yourself from the internet and the useless hashtags and help in silence if you really are that concerned.

[Breathe On Moi]

page 2 of this thread is something 

[P.O.P]

19 hours ago, StayFrosty said:

Wow, only 2 reasonable responses from that video, the dude who said "I support anyone who supports me"...

I wish my fellow LGBTQ people followed the same logic

[Marianah Adkins]

I understand that you are of no obligation to support Palestine openly from the reason that they dont support gays which is perfectly fine (Islam is more tolerant to non Muslims than gays tbh). 

But at the very least recognize that from a humanitarian standpoint, what Israel is doing is reprehensible. They have gone beyond the justification they had in Oct 7 and are just plainly being warmongerers at this point. They are the one who are going to self destruct into pariahs if they dont stop the current trajectory they are pursuing. 

[grAntVRIL]

nvm we could change their minds later

[rhaenyra]

Well, I don't support anyone who supports a religion that glorifies disowning people just because of their s3xual preference

[WildHeart]

On 9/19/2024 at 10:32 PM, Ayanaa said:

Please, Israel is the only country in the entire Middle East where you can be gay and not be persecuted. Downvote me all you want, but this is the truth. 

Gays don't get persecuted in Jordan or Turkey.

Also Israel =/= Tel Aviv 

[WildHeart]

3 hours ago, rhaenyra said:

Well, I don't support anyone who supports a religion that glorifies disowning people just because of their s3xual preference

You can support 10 years old Palestinian boy who committed suicide by hanging himself today because of Israel's ongoing genocide or does he not deserve any support too because he was a child of a muslim? 

[fulgadrum]

this is dumb. people in oklahoma don't support my gay ass. do i think they should be bombed? no.

 

i'll take satisfaction in being the bigger person, even if they want me dead.

[A.R.L]

On 9/19/2024 at 8:40 PM, yonsé said:

so because their culture is incredibly conservative they don't deserve to live? what is this argument

No, but it's good to be neutral. Keep in mind that the entire community that supports Palestine (not only the Palestinian people themselves) who are homophobic, also want to eliminate Israel from the map and there are even some who do not want the Jews themselves to live there, this is not the solution for this ongoing war.
 

The Israelites or children of Israel have been in Jerusalem first, it is their most sacred land in history. They have their most scared holy places there. (It's literally like Mecca for Muslims). So, historically and logically, Israel has the rights for those lands first than anyone else. 
 

And no, they are not only European colonizers, they are from different parts of the world where they were oppressed minorities.

 

In addition, this video is scary since some of these Palestinians are progressive, but now I'm finally not surprised why the Palestinian Lgbt community ask for asylum in Israel.

 

So, do Palestinians have the right to live? Yes. But in a way that makes sense, because when it comes to other people's rights to live too. No one makes exceptions, even the Palestinians themselves won't make exceptions for you, they would think twice and thrice. 

Edited September 22 by A.R.L

[DiabeticGrandpa]

I dont support genocide countries but I also dont support a culture that wants me dead. So, I'm neutral. It's their problem.