Bad_vocal_technique Posted September 19 Posted September 19 1 hour ago, ChooseyLover said: There is no way Diddy's industry friends will be able to keep silent forever. As a fan of Usher I'm just observing the situation closely. At first I was very uncomfortable by Usher's silence and how he kept liking Diddy's posts... and then a more knowledgeable fan explained to me he was probably groomed and r*ped by Diddy and there's actual proof of it (kinda). I do think he made sure to keep Justin safe from what he went through. People shouldn't start disseminating statements like this to defend their faves.
ChooseyLover Posted September 19 Posted September 19 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Bad_vocal_technique said: People shouldn't start disseminating statements like this to defend their faves. Eh... I don't feel like talking about the specifics here about what happened to Usher because it's not my place, and maybe I shouldn't have mentioned it, but that's all I will say. It's out there if you want to do your research. This kind of predatory behavior in the music industry, especially in the nineties, was very normalized and as you can imagine, it's not hard to believe things happened in Diddy's circle. Many details will come to light eventually just like it happened with R. Kelly and it will be uncomfortable for many people and trigger a lot of trauma. It's just unfortunate all around. Edited September 19 by ChooseyLover
SpaceOddity Posted September 19 Posted September 19 Call me out on me speaking out in bad faith if you want to but realistically speaking, given how rich Hollywood men behave when they think they're untouchable and Justin proving to be a shitty person multiple times throughout the years, I'm having a hard time believing he knew nothing about Diddy's behavior. I'm not saying he participated but at the very least being in the same circle with a person like that and partying with them, you definitely see some ****. Don't buy it. 6 1
freshoutthebuffet Posted September 19 Posted September 19 (edited) If it's true, he's probably in "fear and shutting down" due to his possible involvement (whether it's as a "victim" or perpetrator) or knowledge of the happenings around him. Social media has been so quick to drag the women they believe were involved or having knowledge of Diddy's actions but we gotta handle the men possibly involved, with kid gloves? Give me a break. Edited September 19 by freshoutthebuffet 3 2
freshoutthebuffet Posted September 19 Posted September 19 2 hours ago, By the Water said: Don't forget he worked with R Kelly. Kinda crazy how different the reaction is for men in these situations... Interesting how a certain female pop singer was bullied by the media to remove her song with him from her album, while he still has his song with Kelly (both of them) still up for streaming 3
If U Seek Amy Posted September 19 Posted September 19 Tbh I fully believe Justin to some extent was involved, minimum at least aware of some of this. It makes me wonder a lot of this is what left him so messed up for years mentally. It could totally be unfounded so I am not directly accusing him, but I am very suspicious 2
MonsterNavy Posted September 19 Posted September 19 1 hour ago, SpaceOddity said: Call me out on me speaking out in bad faith if you want to but realistically speaking, given how rich Hollywood men behave when they think they're untouchable and Justin proving to be a shitty person multiple times throughout the years, I'm having a hard time believing he knew nothing about Diddy's behavior. I'm not saying he participated but at the very least being in the same circle with a person like that and partying with them, you definitely see some ****. Don't buy it. he's been in the same circle as Diddy, Chris Brown, R Kelly and Usher was the guy who signed him. he abused Selena. a racist and just overall a bad person he's 101% not innocent, he knows everything about this diddy mess and I wouldn't be surprised if he participated in it. 5
Bicassie Posted September 19 Posted September 19 idk justin was just a child when he started out lets not do too much on him
MonsterNavy Posted September 19 Posted September 19 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Bicassie said: idk justin was just a child when he started out lets not do too much on him lol he was already powerful and filthy rich and the people he hang out with were chris brown, usher, diddy etc at 17-20 years old. he's not innocent Edited September 19 by MonsterNavy 2 1
Matchatea Posted September 19 Posted September 19 19 minutes ago, Bicassie said: idk justin was just a child when he started out lets not do too much on him He moved to cali when he was 12, with no father figure and his mom, who in his teens gave him drugs. I think we should call out him hanging out with abusers, but some them like Diddy he knew as a child, and considering the stories Usher told about his experiences, may have been exposed to things he shouldn't have, or have conflicted relationships with those men as he most likely at one point considered them family. I have a lot of empathy for him and I think because he didn't have a normal childhood, he may have a different view of making decisions/ unstable sense of himself. I still believe he should be called out for behaviours, like hanging out with he hangs out with, however at the same time we can hold empathy for him because we all seen his sudden rise as a kid and how rude ppl were to him, during a time when you are discovering yrself. again please don't take this as I am defending or excusing his behaviour, but I believe with the context of how knew these people very young like Diddy, it may be hard for him to wrap his head around, especially if he ( hopefully not) was abused or exposed to things at a young age. 1
Axolotl Posted September 19 Posted September 19 I find it hard to sympathize with a terrible person so maybe he should just "get over it". 1
Shelter Posted September 19 Posted September 19 3 hours ago, Bloodflowers. said: As if Justin Bieber didn't know they are all in this same sex cult ring together He was a child ffs 1 1
AvadaKedavra Posted September 19 Posted September 19 (edited) I'm seeing that a lot of people in online pop forums and stan twitter are also accusing Cassie of being involved in these parties, saying she should face consequences for staying quiet for so long. Even if she was a victim, some think she could've done something. But like the media is spilling, Diddy blackmailed,drugged, recorded sex tapes and threatened with violence-death so many in the industry. Many were forced-coerced into these situations. This guy is honestly a Demon. This has really turned into a debate about who's right and who's wrong. Who's a victim and Who's not. The ones aware of these parties and the ones unaware of it. Is honestly a complicated moral debate. I think it's better to let the courts and the justice system do their job and determine who should be held accountable. What I do see is that this seems to be the biggest Music Hollywood scandal in decades????. It will shake the music industry completely. I wonder if the record labels will try to bury this and pay law enforcement to save the careers of a lot of artists involved with him Edited September 19 by AvadaKedavra 1
MonsterNavy Posted September 19 Posted September 19 4 minutes ago, Shelter said: He was a child ffs this was in 2014, he was 20 lmao 1 1
El Nino Posted September 19 Posted September 19 4 hours ago, Sannie said: People are being really disgusting about this. The amount of tweets I've seen implying Justin may've been abused by Diddy are grotesque. The obsession people have with others being a victim is so... gross. Unless JB comes out and says something, people need to knock it off. They're obsessed with exposing someone's sexuality. That is what it boils down to. It is not about the victims. These are the same people who have been circling the alleged video of Justin and Odell in a night club. That video has been debunked so many times, but the conspiracy theorists still use that video to prove there is a "gay agenda." I don't believe Diddy abused Justin. I never believed that. 1
MonsterNavy Posted September 19 Posted September 19 5 minutes ago, AvadaKedavra said: I'm seeing that a lot of people in online pop forums and stan twitter are also accusing Cassie of being involved in these parties, saying she should face consequences for staying quiet for so long. Even if she was a victim, some think she could've done something. But like the media is spilling, Diddy blackmailed,drugged, recorded sex tapes and threatened with violence-death so many in the industry. Many were forced-coerced into these situations. This guy is honestly a Demon. This has really turned into a debate about who's right and who's wrong. Who's a victim and Who's not. The ones aware of these parties and the ones unaware of it. Is honestly a complicated moral debate. I think it's better to let the courts and the justice system do their job and determine who should be held accountable. What I do see is that this seems to be the biggest Music Hollywood scandal in decades????. It will shake the music industry completely. I wonder if the record labels will try to bury this and pay law enforcement to save the careers of a lot of artists involved with him why does Cassie have to be involved in this? there's literally a video out there of Diddy kicking her to death. how would she even come forward about this huge mess when she couldn't even defend herself? lets not
okgo Posted September 19 Author Posted September 19 2 minutes ago, AvadaKedavra said: I'm seeing that a lot of people in online pop forums and stan twitter are also accusing Cassie of being involved in these parties, saying she should face consequences for staying quiet for so long. Even if she was a victim, some think she could've done something. But like the media is spilling, Diddy blackmailed,drugged, recorded sex tapes and threatened with violence-death so many in the industry. Many were forced into these situations. This guy is honestly a Demon. This has really turned into a debate about who's right and who's wrong. Who's a victim and Who's not. The ones aware of these parties and the ones unaware of it. Is honestly a complicated moral debate. I think it's better to let the courts and the justice system do their job and determine who should be held accountable. What I do see is that this seems to be the biggest Music Hollywood scandal in decades. It will shake the music industry completely. I wonder if the record labels will try to bury this and pay law enforcement to save the careers of a lot of artists involved with him Did you read her lawsuit? If you haven't you should, it's quite graphic and very shocking but already provides a pretty detailed account of what went down + considering the fact she is literally THE reason why that monster is FINALLY under federal custody right now after decades of literal terror (while mostly everyone else in the same industry that obviously witnessed it has turned a blind eye and still remain quiet) I think anyone who dares to say that about her needs to get a ******* grip and be thanking her instead. Quickly. 5
americanlife Posted September 19 Posted September 19 They been saying something was gonna come out about Justin and Chris Brown. They both were victims. Usher, Jay Z, and Clive Davis are next!
Buffy Posted September 19 Posted September 19 16 minutes ago, MonsterNavy said: lol he was already powerful and filthy rich and the people he hang out with were chris brown, usher, diddy etc at 17-20 years old. he's not innocent "Let the one who has never sinned throw the first stone." I am not a fan of Justin Bieber but I will say it is easy to criticize others before taking a look at ourselves in the mirror. 17-20 year olds are gullible and know nothing at that age. It's not uncommon for people to get themselves mixed up in the wrong crowd. Everyone makes mistakes. 1
toast Posted September 19 Posted September 19 I can see people affiliated with Diddy knowing about the abuse, guns, hiring escorts, and orgies since that's probably common in the industry. The trafficking, drugging, and filming was probably on a need-to-know basis, which I think makes it plausible that some people were actually out of the loop on how bad things really were. Hiding in plain sight requires a little bit of hiding. 1
AvadaKedavra Posted September 19 Posted September 19 3 minutes ago, MonsterNavy said: why does Cassie have to be involved in this? there's literally a video out there of Diddy kicking her to death. how would she even come forward about this huge mess when she couldn't even defend herself? lets not Is honestly awful but you know. We live in an age-era where everyone is like wolves trying to cannibalize everyone. No nuance or reasoning. I feel so bad for her. I cant imagine the horrors she went through.
Matchatea Posted September 19 Posted September 19 1 minute ago, okgo said: Did you read her lawsuit? If you haven't you should, it's quite graphic and very shocking but already provides a pretty detailed account of what went down + considering the fact she is literally THE reason why that monster is FINALLY under federal custody right now after decades of literal terror (while mostly everyone else in the same industry that obviously witnessed it has turned a blind eye and still remain quiet) I think anyone who dares to say that about her needs to get a ******* grip and be thanking her instead. Quickly. Also there is no such thing as a perfect victim. Even if she was involved at a party, she was heavily drugged and forced to engage in such acts. I remember reading in the lawsuit she would do anything for him to avoid beatings. Diddy also is rich enough where he could not only find her if she ran away, but also covered up the abuse by paying hotel employees to not leak footage of her getting hit. I can't imagine the amount of trauma she has been though, and definitely will unfortunately for the rest of her life suffer from such scars. It's gross ppl implying she knew what she was doing when they don't understand how powerful Diddy is and how he easily hide the abuse. 1
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