base talk Who's the bigger legend: Taylor or Gaga?

[KKCuteCat]

How is Gaga the bigger legend  

[Badgalbriel]

They're both huge legends for different reasons. Taylor for being the second most successful female artist of all time, only behind Madonna, Gaga for breaking the standard and inventing pop music. 

[Shimenawa]

Taylor has the numbers, Ga Ga has the talent

[Rihinvention]

Taylor, and I don't think it's close.

 

Gaga could've been the bigger legend, but she leaned wayyy too heavily into her LGBT audience. She failed to recognise that straight girls are a bigger demographic, and if something is marketed towards the girlies, the gays will come along anyway.

 

Gay men might be more loyal in 40+ years time, but the mass consumers of pop music and pop culture are always gonna be straight girls. They just have the numbers.

 

Had she maintained the brand position that she was establishing during 'The Fame', then I think they could've been quite close.

 

When she debuted, she was seen as a futuristic Britney who wrote her own songs and could actually sing live. She was simply cool. But she quickly shot herself in the foot by being like "no guys! I'm actually a musical theatre nerd who got bullied at school. Think "if Rachel Berry was real" and the girlies were quickly like "oh wait, nvm"

 

 

Edited August 23 by Rihinvention

[SweetOreosOfHeaven]

No shade to Taylor but outside of her (huge) base she is just not respected for her talents very much. She was on a good path with Folkmore but her attempt to position herself as this generation's songwriter really backfired with some of the cringe inducing lyrics on her latest two offerings. Right now outside of her cult following she's seen as the face of pop mediocrity (not saying I agree with it).

Gaga on the other hand is basically synonymous with raw talent and J:FAD, if it works out well, will make that notion even more obvious and widespread if that's possible.

[cuteboyzay]

Really hard to say. And I don't stan either. But the fact that Gaga has yet to have a blockbuster era in the last 13 years (other than ASIB) and we are still discussing this. It's pretty obvious how big of an impact Gaga has left with TFM and BTW alone. It's hard for me to imagine a world/pop music without those two albums. While I could imagine a world without most of Taylor's releases that don't include 1989 and Speak Now.

 

I still feel Gaga has the bigger impact culturally, while Taylor has the longevity and the career that only the greats really have attained (Beyoncé, Madonna, Celine and Mariah Carey). 
 

So at the end of the day. I truly feel Taylor is the bigger legend due to her time in the industry while Gaga has more impact given what's she's DONE for the music industry even tho her peak wasn't as long. So Taylor might be the bigger legend but that's due to her own personal success, while Gaga I feel is a bigger legend to the public given how noticeable her impact is to the general public in comparison to Taylor Swift.

Edited August 23 by cuteboyzay

[aesthetic bih]

This site is always finding ways to get Gaga dragged

 

Like... what's the point of even being a "bigger Legend"? Legend is already the highest title you can give to a musician. If you reached that status, then that's it. 

[cuteboyzay]

1 minute ago, aesthetic bih said:

This site is always finding ways to get Gaga dragged

 

Like... what's the point of even being a "bigger Legend"? Legend is already the highest title you can give to a musician. If you reached that status, then that's it. 

Tbh, I think most of us know Gaga really helped cultivate a lot what is pop music today. So trust, Gaga is probably gonna do a lot better in this poll than what you think. 

[Celineendedyourfaves]

This is an unfair comparison. Gaga is more in the lines of Cyndi Lauper and Paula Abdul

[Gorjesspazze9]

Taylor is 3 times bigger than Gaga. But neither of them are legends yet since they haven't even been around for 20 years. Lol

Taylor will be tho. At this point only Madonna is above. 

[Pop Fan]

How is Gaga more respected in the music industry lmao. Taylor has won 4 AOTY Grammys. AOTY is the biggest and most prestigeous award in the music industry. Gaga has never even won in the general field at Grammys, let alone AOTY. 
 

Taylor is more accomplished and successful and overall a much more relevant and acclaimed musician. 
 

So yeah, Taylor is easily a bigger legend.

[Pop Fan]

1 hour ago, SweetOreosOfHeaven said:

No shade to Taylor but outside of her (huge) base she is just not respected for her talents very much. She was on a good path with Folkmore but her attempt to position herself as this generation's songwriter really backfired with some of the cringe inducing lyrics on her latest two offerings. Right now outside of her cult following she's seen as the face of pop mediocrity (not saying I agree with it).

Gaga on the other hand is basically synonymous with raw talent and J:FAD, if it works out well, will make that notion even more obvious and widespread if that's possible.

Taylor is a respected songwriter and artist. Her discography is way more acclaimed than Gaga's discography. She's considered an album artist while Gaga is more known for her singles. Gaga doesn't have a single universally critticly acclaimed album. 

[SweetOreosOfHeaven]

4 minutes ago, Pop Fan said:

Taylor is a respected songwriter and artist. Her discography is way more acclaimed than Gaga's discography. She's considered an album artist while Gaga is more known for her singles. Gaga doesn't have a single universally critticly acclaimed album. 

That's not true. The Fame Monster and Born This Way are as acclaimed as any Taylor Swift album, TFM probably more. 

And before you come with the "metacritic!!111!!" argument it is very obvious that her recent albums scores are heavily inflated there. 1989 has a score of 90 while it was poorly mixed and just overall a lot worse than the original (which got a 76). 

Edited August 23 by SweetOreosOfHeaven

[SweetOreosOfHeaven]

8 minutes ago, Pop Fan said:

How is Gaga more respected in the music industry lmao. Taylor has won 4 AOTY Grammys. AOTY is the biggest and most prestigeous award in the music industry. Gaga has never even won in the general field at Grammys, let alone AOTY. 
 

Taylor is more accomplished and successful and overall a much more relevant and acclaimed musician. 
 

So yeah, Taylor is easily a bigger legend.

Is the GP the music industry? Gaga is more respected by the general public. 

[OrgVisual]

[elincomprendid]

16 minutes ago, SweetOreosOfHeaven said:

Is the GP the music industry? Gaga is more respected by the general public. 

If we go by GP the numbers clearly tell us they prefer Taylor hence they respect her more

 

If we go by music industry people awards clearly tell us they prefer Taylor hence they respect her more

Gaga has a decently sized respect among people but Taylor so just miles above, and even then this is not about respecting you musically. To be a legend you need to be someone people cares enough to talk about and consume, yes that usually comes with doing good music and people respecting it but that's not necessarily the requirement.

 

Shape Of You & Despacito are two legendaric songs and still people would not "respect" them 

[SweetOreosOfHeaven]

1 minute ago, elincomprendid said:

If we go by GP the numbers clearly tell us they prefer Taylor hence they respect her more

 

If we go by music industry people awards clearly tell us they prefer Taylor hence they respect her more

Gaga has a decently sized respect among people but Taylor so just miles above, and even then this is not about respecting you musically. To be a legend you need to be someone people cares enough to talk about and consume, yes that usually comes with doing good music and people respecting it but that's not necessarily the requirement.

 

Shape Of You & Despacito are two legendaric songs and still people would not "respect" them 

And how is Ed Sheeran doing now? 

I guess we just have to stay tuned. 

[Jay07]

2 hours ago, Rihinvention said:

Taylor, and I don't think it's close.

 

Gaga could've been the bigger legend, but she leaned wayyy too heavily into her LGBT audience. She failed to recognise that straight girls are a bigger demographic, and if something is marketed towards the girlies, the gays will come along anyway.

 

Gay men might be more loyal in 40+ years time, but the mass consumers of pop music and pop culture are always gonna be straight girls. They just have the numbers.

 

Had she maintained the brand position that she was establishing during 'The Fame', then I think they could've been quite close.

 

When she debuted, she was seen as a futuristic Britney who wrote her own songs and could actually sing live. She was simply cool. But she quickly shot herself in the foot by being like "no guys! I'm actually a musical theatre nerd who got bullied at school. Think "if Rachel Berry was real" and the girlies were quickly like "oh wait, nvm"

 

 

The fact that you claim an artist could operate via market research and focus groups is absurd. Doing that would result in something as artistically bankrupt and cynical as Taylor Swift and her variants.

 

The biggest legends are not the ones who sell most. Sure, some legends were also incredibly popular but legends like Aretha Franklin, Stevie Wonder were not the most commercially dominant of their time. It's about talent, innovation and quality. I'm always surprised when ATRL has no other frame of reference than streams but then again, not really. 

Edited August 23 by Jay07

[Badgalbriel]

30 minutes ago, SweetOreosOfHeaven said:

That's not true. The Fame Monster and Born This Way are as acclaimed as any Taylor Swift album, TFM probably more. 

And before you come with the "metacritic!!111!!" argument it is very obvious that her recent albums scores are heavily inflated there. 1989 has a score of 90 while it was poorly mixed and just overall a lot worse than the original (which got a 76). 

Taylor is way more respected.... But both are legends. Stop trying to pit them against each other. 

[Kill Me]

How is Gaga more respected while it is universally acknowledged her last good album was an EP from 15 years ago...

It's been nothing but panned bomb after panned bomb since... 

[SweetOreosOfHeaven]

Just now, Badgalbriel said:

Taylor is way more respected.... But both are legends. Stop trying to pit them against each other. 

I don't think Taylor is way more respected. But to your point I'm just answering the thread. They are both legends, that's true. 

[WildHeart]

4 hours ago, Sheep said:

Gagas talent and impact are simply on a different level. 

 

2 hours ago, Shimenawa said:

Taylor has the numbers, Ga Ga has the talent

 

2 hours ago, SweetOreosOfHeaven said:

No shade to Taylor but outside of her (huge) base she is just not respected for her talents very much.

Where was that so called "talent" when Gaga struggled to release one universally acclaimed or GF winning album? 

 

Gaga will never have an album as acclaimed as Folklore or 1989

[Badgalbriel]

30 minutes ago, SweetOreosOfHeaven said:

Is the GP the music industry? Gaga is more respected by the general public. 

The general public are the ones who made despacito and shape of you the legendary hits that they are, sis... 

[Shimenawa]

8 minutes ago, WildHeart said:

 

 

Where was that so called "talent" when Gaga struggled to release one universally acclaimed or GF winning album? 

 

Gaga will never have an album as acclaimed as Folklore or 1989

Just compare their lastest singles "Die With A Smile" and "I Can Do It With A Broken Heart" or even the Post Malone collab. It's obvious who is more talented

[WildHeart]

1 minute ago, Shimenawa said:

Just compare their lastest singles "Die With A Smile" and "I Can Do It With A Broken Heart" or even the Post Malone collab. It's obvious who is more talented

Just write the release year of their last acclaim albums and it's indeed obvious who is more talented