ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted August 22 ATRL Moderator Posted August 22 38 minutes ago, Sannie said: Because a lot of the people in the movement aren't even Palestinian and just want to rage against the establishment. Why anyone would think they're entitled to speak at the DNC when they've rallied against the Democratic Party for months is beyond me and shows a level of entitlement that should simply be ignored. Notice how they didn't demand and throw a fit over not being able to speak at the RNC. You do not need to be Palestinian to stand with the Palestinian people and be outraged by their slaughter. 7 2
Communion Posted August 22 Author Posted August 22 43 minutes ago, Sannie said: Notice how they didn't demand and throw a fit over not being able to speak at the RNC. ...why would delegates for Uncommitted voters in the Democratic primary speak at the RNC? 6
Relampago. Posted August 22 Posted August 22 44 minutes ago, Sannie said: Because a lot of the people in the movement aren't even Palestinian and just want to rage against the establishment. Why anyone would think they're entitled to speak at the DNC when they've rallied against the Democratic Party for months is beyond me and shows a level of entitlement that should simply be ignored. Notice how they didn't demand and throw a fit over not being able to speak at the RNC. Rallying against the Democratic Party's approach to Gaza isn't the same as rejecting the party as a whole, and I'd argue that holding their government accountable for supporting genocide isn't "entitlement that should be ignored". I think we really need to remember that these people aren't protesting wanting marijuana legalized or wanting to change pronouns on their drivers license— sure these things matter too but we're talking genocide here. It's easy to talk so dismissively when you aren't faced with the slaughter of your people, but I guarantee that if Democrats were sending weapons to Russia to kill LGBTQ people in their country and Ukraine, we'd be singing a very different tune and entitlement would quickly become necessity and "rallying against the democratic party" would quickly become justice through resistance. 4 1
Gov Hooka Posted August 23 Posted August 23 12 hours ago, Ryan said: Yes, my rights are under attack by the conservative courts and will continue to regress under a Trump administration and GOP congress that will do the bidding of Project 2025. Baby project 2025 is already in action and your genocidal candidate has zero plan to curb it or pushback against conservative courts… you can continue to hoodwink yourself with sanctimonious bullshit about "protecting your rights" when you blatantly ignore the rights of Palestinians being murdered by your candidate. Like I said it's giving 1930s/40s "I just care about myself" German citizen ignoring a Holocaust happening because of their complacency 2 1
ATRL Administrator Ryan Posted August 23 ATRL Administrator Posted August 23 7 minutes ago, Gov Hooka said: when you blatantly ignore the rights of Palestinians being murdered by your candidate. You’re not a serious person. I call my congressman and Senator 3 times a week to demand they speak about a ceasefire and call for an end to the genocide. So listen to me when I say this, and I mean this is disrespectfully as possible, fuck you and your assumptions, lies and hyperbole. And I’m not going to apologize for prioritizing issues that directly affect me while also speaking about issues that are playing out on the world stage. 1 1 2
Distantconstellation Posted August 23 Posted August 23 23 hours ago, Gaia said: The Pro-Palestinian crowd has been nothing but loud and negative about the Democratic Party and decisions made and constantly state they're voting independent. Again, your actions reflect the movement. Im confused why anyone would then think anyone would want a Pro-Palestinian slot at the DNC and risk the person going rogue and saying harsh things about Biden/Democrats/Israel. I mean the pro-Palestinian crowd is literally protesting that DNC. They are clearly going to avoid any chance of negativity at the DNC with its importance and that means not risking a pro-Palestine slot. Stop sending weapons to Israel and a complete cease fire. Throw netanyahoo and the hamas leader in prison for war crimes. It's simple. What don't u get about that
Gov Hooka Posted August 23 Posted August 23 4 minutes ago, Ryan said: You're not a serious person. I call my congressman and Senator 3 times a week to demand they speak about a ceasefire and call for an end to the genocide. So listen to me when I say this, and I mean this is disrespectfully as possible, **** you and your assumptions, lies and hyperbole. And I'm not going to apologize for prioritizing issues that directly affect me while also speaking about issues that are playing out on the world stage. you call your congressman and then proceed to support the presidential candidate directly responsible for the murder you claim to want to stop. I'm going to say this as disrespectfully as possible right back to you, **** you you cruel self centered jerk who thinks what directly affects you should be prioritized at the expense of dead children murdered by your tax dollars halfway around the globe.
ATRL Administrator Ryan Posted August 23 ATRL Administrator Posted August 23 9 minutes ago, Gov Hooka said: you call your congressman and then proceed to support the presidential candidate directly responsible for the murder you claim to want to stop. I'm going to say this as disrespectfully as possible right back to you, **** you you cruel self centered jerk who thinks what directly affects you should be prioritized at the expense of dead children murdered by your tax dollars halfway around the globe. Again, you are an unserious person. The only people responsible for the murder of the Palestinians is the IDF and the terrorist organization Hamas. 2 5
IBeMe Posted August 23 Posted August 23 Palestinian Americans have not been granted a speaking slot at the Democratic National Convention despite pleas from pro-Palestinian delegates. After negotiations with the Democratic Party, they were told "'no,'" Alawieh said. The parents of Hersh Goldberg-Polin, an American-Israeli hostage being held in Gaza, were invited to speak at the DNC on Wednesday. https://www.axios.com/2024/08/22/dnc-palestinian-american-speech-denied
Luckitty Posted August 23 Posted August 23 Not surprised, she's probably a bigger zionist than biden and trump combined 2 3 3
Bhabylon Posted August 23 Posted August 23 Uh oh the genocide apologists are here OT: disappointed but not surprised 1
Navyofbadgals Posted August 23 Posted August 23 38 minutes ago, LadyDiana said: We are flooded with hamas propaganda here princess diana sweetie i am so sorry 2
welham Posted August 23 Posted August 23 3 minutes ago, J Legend X said: and RNC did ? ok.... Is this the Dem standard now? You guys are hopeless
J Legend X Posted August 23 Posted August 23 8 minutes ago, welham said: Is this the Dem standard now? You guys are hopeless that's not the point…the narrative seems that if dems don't do something them y'all vote for Trump…
welham Posted August 23 Posted August 23 7 minutes ago, J Legend X said: that's not the point…the narrative seems that if dems don't do something them y'all vote for Trump… Show me where people said they'd vote for Trump instead. That's a disingenuous framing of the talking points most users here are making. Absolutely no one is thinking Trump would be better, but we're not going to "settle" for a "normal" ******* GENOCIDE instead of a worse one. 2 1
State of Grace. Posted August 23 Posted August 23 9 hours ago, Ryan said: The only people responsible for the murder of the Palestinians is the IDF and the terrorist organization Hamas. Zionist propaganda 101. But you support Palestine. 2 1
ATRL Administrator Ryan Posted August 23 ATRL Administrator Posted August 23 6 minutes ago, State of Grace. said: Zionist propaganda 101. But you support Palestine. Okay Pro-Hamas supporter. 5
The7thStranger Posted August 23 Posted August 23 10 hours ago, Gov Hooka said: Baby project 2025 is already in action and your genocidal candidate has zero plan to curb it or pushback against conservative courts… you can continue to hoodwink yourself with sanctimonious bullshit about "protecting your rights" when you blatantly ignore the rights of Palestinians being murdered by your candidate. Like I said it's giving 1930s/40s "I just care about myself" German citizen ignoring a Holocaust happening because of their complacency That comparison doesn't quite hold up, as American citizens are not the main antagonist of the attacks on Gaza (Israel is). The parallel in your example would be Italians or Japanese citizens being complacent in what Germany was doing. But we also need to remember that they had very different geopolitical conditions than the US does right now, that is that American citizens still have the choice to voice their dissent and push back against further societal degradation. Very, very different set of circumstances. Also, I would urge you not to downplay the serious threat of Project 2025. We do have to think about POC communities, Ukrainians at risk of further attacks from Russia, undocumented immigrants, women's rights (particularly concerning domestic violence and abortion), and the rights of the LGBT community. I want Kamala and the established Democratic party to change and stop shouting down the voices that they claim to champion. But I'm not sure what you expect the average American voter to do...
State of Grace. Posted August 23 Posted August 23 (edited) 56 minutes ago, Ryan said: Okay Pro-Hamas supporter. Indeed, I do believe that Palestinians have a right to armed resistance against the occupation, apartheid, and genocide. All resistance groups, including Hamas, are morally and legally legitimate and in complete accordance with International Law. The ICJ recently affirmed that as well. You and I don't get to determine "good" vs "bad" resistance here. It is not our place to tell them how to feel or what to do, especially when all of their peaceful efforts have been met with violence in the last +7 decades. As people who support Palestinian liberation, our obligation is to support all Palestinian resistance against the greatest source of violence which is the Israeli occupation. So, calling me "pro-Hamas supporter" isn't the serve you think it is. Meanwhile, it's you who still claim to be supportive of the Palestinian cause yet: you refer to resistance groups as terrorists, you don't like how they protest, you don't like that they're pushing a candidate for the presidency to do better, and you blame the murder of thousands of Palestinians on Hamas. You very clearly don't get the difference between acknowledging resistance movements and their right to resist their occupier VS agreeing with all of their ways. "I stand with Palestinians until they fight back" is just peak Liberal behavior. Edited August 23 by State of Grace. 1 6
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