news Update: Uncommitted will not endorse Harris after Harris breaks promise of meeting

[Communion]

 

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Edited September 22 by Communion

[Virgos Groove]

One of the few American politicians with a backbone.

[réveuse]

It must be extremely difficult and upsetting for Tlaib to witness her people being mass-murdered and enduring a humanitarian crisis while the individuals she looks up to or her peers praise the regime that is murdering her people.

[Communion]

 

[SeeingStars1515]

27 minutes ago, Communion said:

 

It's such a mistake. There is no reason why they couldn't allow a speaker who plead for the same humanity as the Israeli-American speakers. Sometimes the caucus is so short sighted. Still, some of the biggest cheers from the audience are during mentions of ceasefire. The delegates are showing their support.

Edited August 22 by SeeingStars1515

[Gaia]

The Pro-Palestinian crowd has been nothing but loud and negative about the Democratic Party and decisions made and constantly state they're voting independent. Again, your actions reflect the movement.

 

Im confused why anyone would then think anyone would want a Pro-Palestinian slot at the DNC and risk the person going rogue and saying harsh things about Biden/Democrats/Israel. I mean the pro-Palestinian crowd is literally protesting that DNC. 

 

They are clearly going to avoid any chance of negativity at the DNC with its importance and that means not risking a pro-Palestine slot. 

[Communion]

3 minutes ago, Gaia said:

they're voting independent.

I beg you to realize you do not have to participate in political conversations that go beyond your limited depth and short understanding of political history.

 

The Uncommitted delegation is literally a group of Democratic delegates voted in by Democratic voters in the Democratic primary. 

These people representing more votes received from Democratic voters than Kamala Harris received during the primary (read: 0).

 

 

[Communion]

 

[State of Grace.]

You are not human unless you're an Israeli according to the genocidal Democratic party. This is the party of "tolerance, diversity and democracy". 

 

 

[brraap]

Revoke America's veto card. 

[Ryan]

They should have negotiated a speaking slot weeks ago. Demanding one during the very convention they’re protesting, after calling them “Killer Kamala” and “Genocide Joe”, at a choreographed party that’s about everyone falling in line and supporting the Democrat nominee while being “uncommitted” is not serious. 

[Gov Hooka]

1 minute ago, Ryan said:

They should have negotiated a speaking slot weeks ago. Demanding one during the very convention they're protesting, after calling them "Killer Kamala" and "Genocide Joe", at a choreographed party that's about everyone falling in line and supporting the Democrat nominee while being "uncommitted" is not serious. 

So then these people and the hundreds of thousands who support them shouldn't vote Democrat then. Glad that's clear now. If all that matters to your party is "to fall in line" with zero political concessions then it's clear this isn't a fight worth having. Y'all dem liberal genocide apologists wouldn't dare show this much disrespect and callous disregard to protestors and principled delegates if the cause weren't about Palestinian rights. Don't act obtuse and pretend the Dem establishment would even entertain such negotiations 

[Ryan]

9 minutes ago, Gov Hooka said:

So then these people and the hundreds of thousands who support them shouldn't vote Democrat then. Glad that's clear now. If all that matters to your party is "to fall in line" with zero political concessions then it's clear this isn't a fight worth having. Y'all dem liberal genocide apologists wouldn't dare show this much disrespect and callous disregard to protestors and principled delegates if the cause weren't about Palestinian rights. Don't act obtuse and pretend the Dem establishment would even entertain such negotiations 

I said the convention is a choreographed party about unifying the fractures in the party and everyone falling in line behind the nominee. That’s a fact. I did not say uncommitted should fall in line or whatever else your ranting about. 
 

If getting behind the nominee because my civil rights and freedoms are on the line makes me a “dem liberal genocide apologist” then so be it.

[Communion]

26 minutes ago, Ryan said:

They should have negotiated a speaking slot weeks ago. Demanding one during the very convention they're protesting, after calling them "Killer Kamala" and "Genocide Joe", at a choreographed party that's about everyone falling in line and supporting the Democrat nominee while being "uncommitted" is not serious. 

What are the intentions of these knee jerk claims that aren't rooted in fact? It's concerning given you're clearly knowledgeable about politics. 

 

1) The Uncommitted delegates have said they have been requesting a speaking slot for weeks and gave the DNC a list of speaker choices with pre-vetted speeches to edit and approve. The options varied from elected Palestinian Americans to trusted figures like American doctors who spent time in Gaza. 

 

2) I know you know you won't be able to provide me an example of an Uncommitted delegate calling Biden or Harris any kind of name. These people are registered delegates to the Democratic party. They are literal Democratic party members and partisans who have been lifelong operatives within the party's apparatus for years (many states don't even allow people to sign up to be delegates unless you're part of a club or org off-shoot of the state party). 

 

3) They're uncommitted delegates because they represent Democratic voters who did not vote for Joe Biden in their Democratic primary and who voted for the still-not-available option of a Democratic nominee who does not support genocide.

 

Trying to frame them as somehow not Democrats because they're uncommitted is silly when they're literally "Uncommitted Democrats".

 

Why is there room in the Democratic party for anti-abortion Republicans and border patrol agents who support ICE separating immigrant refugee families but not Palestinian Democrats?

Edited August 22 by Communion

[Gov Hooka]

2 minutes ago, Ryan said:

I said the convention is a choreographed party about unifying the fractures in the party and everyone falling in line behind the nominee. That's a fact. I did not say uncommitted should fall in line or whatever else your ranting about. 
 

If getting behind the nominee because my civil rights and freedoms are on the line makes me a "dem liberal genocide apologist" then so be it.

If "falling behind the nominee" necessitates agreeing with their support of genocide and you firmly think that you should get behind that same nominee to save your own "civil rights and freedoms" (because they're so "under attack" compared to the folks this admin is murdering) then you're heartless and cruel. Own it. 
This "single issue" as liberals love to frame it has single-handedly shown the selfishness and callous disregard of humanity entitled Americans, democrats and republicans, truly have… 

"So be it" is very much giving 1930s/40s ordinary German citizen 

[Ryan]

6 minutes ago, Communion said:

What are the intentions of these knee jerk claims thst aren't rooted in fact? It's concerning given you're clearly knowledgeable about politics. 

 

1) The Uncommitted delegates have said they have been requesting a speaking slot for weeks and gave the DNC a list of speaker choices with pre-vetted speeches to edit and approve. The options varied from elected Palestinian Americans to trusted figures like American doctors who spent time in Gaza. 

 

2) I know you know you won't be able to provide me an example of an Uncommitted delegate calling Biden or Harris any kind of name. These people are registered delegates to the Democratic party. They are literal Democratic party membera and partisans who have been lifelong operatives within the party's apparatus for years (many states don't even allow people to sign up to be delegates unless you're part of a club or org off-shoot of the state party). 

 

3) They're uncommitted delegates because they represent Democratoc voters who did not vote for Joe Biden in their Democratic primary and who voted for the still-not-available option of a Democratic nominee who does not support genocide.

 

Trying to frame them as somehow not Democrats because they're uncommitted is silly when they're literally "Uncommitted Democrats".

 

Why is there room in the Democratic party for anti-abortilb Republicans and border patrol agents who support ICE separating immigrant refugee families but not Palestinian Democrats?

So the Uncommitted Delegates are not associated in any way with the protester groups who call her “Killer Kamala”? If so, I apologize. Also I did not know they had requested to speak.

 

I wasn’t saying they aren’t Democrats. I’m pointing out that the choreography of the DNC is about unity and they are not presently supporting the nominee because she is not doing exactly what they want her to do. Yes, I understand pushing her to their priorities. Yes, I understand that’s the point of process to engage in discussions/negotiations to get her to move on policy.
 

I disagree with your point that we do not have a Democrat nominee who does not support genocide. We don’t have to debate this btw, I’m just stating my stance.

 

Let me be clear, I think it’s a gross error on the DNC’s part to not allow Palestinian-American voices to speak. If we are the big tent party we claim to be, it’s only right to give voice to a community who has seen 60K of their family, friends and others murdered by the IDF. 

[Ryan]

14 minutes ago, Gov Hooka said:

If "falling behind the nominee" necessitates agreeing with their support of genocide and you firmly think that you should get behind that same nominee to save your own "civil rights and freedoms" (because they're so "under attack" compared to the folks this admin is murdering) then you're heartless and cruel. Own it. 
This "single issue" as liberals love to frame it has single-handedly shown the selfishness and callous disregard of humanity entitled Americans, democrats and republicans, truly have… 

"So be it" is very much giving 1930s/40s ordinary German citizen 

Yes, my rights are under attack by the conservative courts and will continue to regress under a Trump administration and GOP congress that will do the bidding of Project 2025. 

[ClashAndBurn]

58 minutes ago, Gov Hooka said:

So then these people and the hundreds of thousands who support them shouldn't vote Democrat then. Glad that's clear now. If all that matters to your party is "to fall in line" with zero political concessions then it's clear this isn't a fight worth having. Y'all dem liberal genocide apologists wouldn't dare show this much disrespect and callous disregard to protestors and principled delegates if the cause weren't about Palestinian rights. Don't act obtuse and pretend the Dem establishment would even entertain such negotiations 

They don't even show anywhere near the level of disrespect to anti-choice Republicans or even MAGAts like Boebert and MTG that they have to the people protesting the genocide that their president is enthusiastically backing.

 

1 hour ago, Ryan said:

calling them "Killer Kamala" and "Genocide Joe"

As far as I'm concerned, Genocide Joe as an epithet has been more than earned at this point.

Killer Kamala not as much, but I don't see her diverging much from the path Joe Biden has set us on: committing more taxpayer dollars to defending Israel and smearing anyone who contests that decision as disgusting antisemites who just want all Jews dead.

[on the line]

1 hour ago, Gov Hooka said:

So then these people and the hundreds of thousands who support them shouldn't vote Democrat then. Glad that's clear now. If all that matters to your party is "to fall in line" with zero political concessions then it's clear this isn't a fight worth having. Y'all dem liberal genocide apologists wouldn't dare show this much disrespect and callous disregard to protestors and principled delegates if the cause weren't about Palestinian rights. Don't act obtuse and pretend the Dem establishment would even entertain such negotiations 

Sounds like you're supporting a Trump presidency then so nobody gives a **** what you or other TrumpGenociders think or say. Bye!

Edited August 22 by on the line
My autocorrect is as dumb as some of these posters

[State of Grace.]

2 minutes ago, on the line said:

Sounds like you're supporting a Trump presidency then so nobody gives a **** what you or other TrumpGenociders think or say. Bye!

You're sick and morally corrupt.

[on the line]

5 minutes ago, State of Grace. said:

You're sick and morally corrupt.

Lol k. Have fun ranting about Kamala for the next 3 months and still voting for her. Such a winning recipe for you.

[State of Grace.]

1 minute ago, on the line said:

Lol k. Have fun ranting about Kamala for the next 3 months and still voting for her. Such a winning recipe for you.

I'm not American. But I'll surely continue calling out depraved cult-like "people" like you who claim to be supportive of human rights and Palestinians, then accuse everyone who criticizes your fave candidate of being a Trump supporter. 

[loveisdead9582]

30 minutes ago, Ryan said:

So the Uncommitted Delegates are not associated in any way with the protester groups who call her "Killer Kamala"? If so, I apologize. Also I did not know they had requested to speak.

 

I wasn't saying they aren't Democrats. I'm pointing out that the choreography of the DNC is about unity and they are not presently supporting the nominee because she is not doing exactly what they want her to do. Yes, I understand pushing her to their priorities. Yes, I understand that's the point of process to engage in discussions/negotiations to get her to move on policy.
 

I disagree with your point that we do not have a Democrat nominee who does not support genocide. We don't have to debate this btw, I'm just stating my stance.

 

Let me be clear, I think it's a gross error on the DNC's part to not allow Palestinian-American voices to speak. If we are the big tent party we claim to be, it's only right to give voice to a community who has seen 60K of their family, friends and others murdered by the IDF. 

 

25 minutes ago, Ryan said:

Yes, my rights are under attack by the conservative courts and will continue to regress under a Trump administration and GOP congress that will do the bidding of Project 2025. 

Literally all of this. Do I think it was right to not let the Palestinian Americans speak? Absolutely not. Either both sides can speak or neither can. 
 

To further corroborate @Ryan's point, the DNC is to create unity and unfortunately this means not rocking the boat. I've said this before and I'll say it again - Kamala will not come out and openly oppose the policies currently set in place by the current sitting president. It would not look good at all the spit in the face of her (hopefully) soon to be predecessor who has endorsed her and could further split the vote. Trump has a good amount of supporters and any sort of weakness will be capitalized on. 
 

Do I agree with the decision made? No. A conversation should have been had prior to this and some sort of plan or platform should have been given to the Palestinian Americans since the Democratic policy is supposed to represent EVERYONE. Do I think that they are still realistically the best option? Yes. As @Ryan mentioned, the conservatives and Republicans are actively trying to attack our rights and if Trump wins Project 2025 will become a reality. 

[toxicgenie]

17 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

smearing anyone who contests that decision as disgusting antisemites who just want all Jews dead.

But what about the protestors who want that? I have even seen people say that here on ATRL. 

Protestors need to police each other, because right now some of the louder members are doing more harm than good to the cause.

 

 

[Sannie]

11 hours ago, Gaia said:

The Pro-Palestinian crowd has been nothing but loud and negative about the Democratic Party and decisions made and constantly state they're voting independent. Again, your actions reflect the movement.

 

Im confused why anyone would then think anyone would want a Pro-Palestinian slot at the DNC and risk the person going rogue and saying harsh things about Biden/Democrats/Israel. I mean the pro-Palestinian crowd is literally protesting that DNC. 

 

They are clearly going to avoid any chance of negativity at the DNC with its importance and that means not risking a pro-Palestine slot. 

 Because a lot of the people in the movement aren't even Palestinian and just want to rage against the establishment. Why anyone would think they're entitled to speak at the DNC when they've rallied against the Democratic Party for months is beyond me and shows a level of entitlement that should simply be ignored. Notice how they didn't demand and throw a fit over not being able to speak at the RNC.