base talk Billboard's Greatest Pop Stars of the 21st Century | #5 Lady Gaga

[Bad_vocal_technique]

Lil Wayne 

[zzmyth]

3 hours ago, Kiss It Better said:

idk why Drake is even top 4 he's such a filler musician, no real impact or anything... i know he does big numbers but that's it and being above the likes of Britney and Justin Bieber is so... 

He was named artist of the decade (2010s)

Hes has 8 #1 albums (13 #1 albums with his EP and Collab albums)

 

He also has the second most #1 songs this century (13 #1s) only after Rihanna

 

He has hundreds of Hot100 entries and 78 Top10s.

 

We will be lucky if he is not #1 overall tbh.

[ToraeGilt]

2 hours ago, zzmyth said:

He was named artist of the decade (2010s)

Hes has 8 #1 albums (13 #1 albums with his EP and Collab albums)

 

He also has the second most #1 songs this century (13 #1s) only after Rihanna

 

He has hundreds of Hot100 entries and 78 Top10s.

 

We will be lucky if he is not #1 overall tbh.

The OP already stated that he does big numbers... what else?

[zzmyth]

22 minutes ago, ToraeGilt said:

The OP already stated that he does big numbers... what else?

Babe. He has been Top10 on spotify artists since it was created... I mean... 

 

We know that we all Stan FEMALE POPSTARS. I do too...

 

But denying that Drake has been one of the (if not the biggest) since he came out... Is lying

[Feanor]

Drake is #4.

[gab00]

Rih #4 Bey #3 Drake #2 and Taylor #1

 

I'm thinking..

[Kiss It Better]

10 hours ago, zzmyth said:

He was named artist of the decade (2010s)

Hes has 8 #1 albums (13 #1 albums with his EP and Collab albums)

 

He also has the second most #1 songs this century (13 #1s) only after Rihanna

 

He has hundreds of Hot100 entries and 78 Top10s.

 

We will be lucky if he is not #1 overall tbh.

Eminem was AOTD in 00s and is #12 

[exfactor003]

to act for a second as if Drake hasn't tremendously influenced the current landscape of r&b is thoroughly delusional.

Edited Friday at 12:31 PM by exfactor003

[kwek_kwek]

13 hours ago, zzmyth said:

He was named artist of the decade (2010s)

Hes has 8 #1 albums (13 #1 albums with his EP and Collab albums)

 

He also has the second most #1 songs this century (13 #1s) only after Rihanna

 

He has hundreds of Hot100 entries and 78 Top10s.

 

We will be lucky if he is not #1 overall tbh.

Charts is just one of the factors not the only factor of this list. He does not have iconic performances, and music videos, etc… he's not more impactful than Gaga and Britney.

 

Here's BB's criteria for this list:

 

Greatest Pop Stars are NOT mathematically determined by stats like chart position, streams or sales numbers. Those play a big part in our final rankings, of course — you can't be one of the greatest pop stars of the century without great pop hits and great pop albums — but so do things like music videos, live performances and social media presence, and more intangible factors like cultural importance, industry influence and overall omnipresence. (And we're measuring this over all 25 years of this century so far, so if you were only heard from at the beginning or the end of that period — or only had one or two big songs, albums or eras — that's gonna significantly hinder your ranking here as well.)

 

Drake is not better than Gaga and Britney in bolded part.

[zzmyth]

1 hour ago, kwek_kwek said:

Charts is just one of the factors not the only factor of this list. He does not have iconic performances, and music videos, etc… he's not more impactful than Gaga and Britney.

 

Here's BB's criteria for this list:

 

Greatest Pop Stars are NOT mathematically determined by stats like chart position, streams or sales numbers. Those play a big part in our final rankings, of course — you can't be one of the greatest pop stars of the century without great pop hits and great pop albums — but so do things like music videos, live performances and social media presence, and more intangible factors like cultural importance, industry influence and overall omnipresence. (And we're measuring this over all 25 years of this century so far, so if you were only heard from at the beginning or the end of that period — or only had one or two big songs, albums or eras — that's gonna significantly hinder your ranking here as well.)

 

Drake is not better than Gaga and Britney in bolded part.

But it is on the rest of the criteria. 

 

And it's a billboard list... So IT'S CHART-BASED

[kwek_kwek]

5 minutes ago, zzmyth said:

But it is on the rest of the criteria. 

 

And it's a billboard list... So IT'S CHART-BASED

But again, it is not just about charts. There are other factors they considered. If it is just about the charts, then Drake should be above anybody else. 

[zzmyth]

1 hour ago, kwek_kwek said:

But again, it is not just about charts. There are other factors they considered. If it is just about the charts, then Drake should be above anybody else. 

Thats why he wont probably be #1... but he is above gaga... who had an era and a half of being at top. and that's it

[Calypso]

5 hours ago, kwek_kwek said:

Here's BB's criteria for this list:

 

Greatest Pop Stars are NOT mathematically determined by stats like chart position, streams or sales numbers. Those play a big part in our final rankings, of course — you can't be one of the greatest pop stars of the century without great pop hits and great pop albums — but so do things like music videos, live performances and social media presence, and more intangible factors like cultural importance, industry influence and overall omnipresence. (And we're measuring this over all 25 years of this century so far, so if you were only heard from at the beginning or the end of that period — or only had one or two big songs, albums or eras — that's gonna significantly hinder your ranking here as well.)

 

Thanks for sharing this. Just tuned into this Billboard list thingy. 

 

From my understanding of their criteria, I see Bey at #1, Taylor at #2, Riri at #3 and Drake at #4 

 

I think some things put Bey over the others in this list (based on their description). Her music videos, live performances, cultural impact and weight. And most importantly the fact that she's been a considerable force in all the criteria (including charts and acclaim) for the entirety of the 21st century. Literally from 2000 to today. The others loose points in that aspect as they enter towards the end of the 00s decade. 

 

Just my reading tho cuz I'm biased as a bey fan as well. 

Edited November 7 by Calypso

[ToraeGilt]

17 hours ago, zzmyth said:

Babe. He has been Top10 on spotify artists since it was created... I mean... 

 

We know that we all Stan FEMALE POPSTARS. I do too...

 

But denying that Drake has been one of the (if not the biggest) since he came out... Is lying

so nothing else? Gotcha

[Spicy Pisces]

On 11/1/2024 at 2:44 PM, OrgVisual said:

The bar is in hell for a supposed "A-list" popstar who had the biggest song of the year and top 5 greatest pop stars of the 20th century (Liddos' words)

[slw84]

Ok now it's gotta be #1 Taylor #2 Beyonce #3 Rihanna #4 Drake if Drake made it top 4.

 

I can see an argument for Rihanna and Drake moving up on down but I can't see an argument for Taylor being #2 now with these four acts left.

 

 

[slw84]

On 11/5/2024 at 7:47 PM, istan4badgalriri said:

1. Taylor/Beyoncé

2. Beyoncé/Taylor

3. Rihanna

4. Drake

 

that's probably gonna be it. If they place Drake above RIh when she gave him his first 2 #1 hits...

 

Well, Britney is below three artists who took some sort of influence from her and two were much more based on songs catapulting them to superstardom or "replacement" for this current generation.

Rihanna deserves to be above Drake for sure, though.

On 11/6/2024 at 6:52 AM, Kiss It Better said:

idk why Drake is even top 4 he's such a filler musician, no real impact or anything... i know he does big numbers but that's it and being above the likes of Britney and Justin Bieber is so... 

Drake reshaped the 2010s sound of hip hop, r&b (not saying it was better) and fused it into mainstream. He doesn't deserve to be above Britney or Bieber but his top 10 placement makes sense. His top 5 placement is a trip, though.

[Kahlo]

what a horrible list. growing up in the 00s/10s has left people with no taste.

[GreatestLoveofAll]

Idk how i feel about the Gaga placement cause on one hand Drake is ahead of her and he didnt nearly have the level of all encompassing fame anytime in his reign that Gaga did. Almost no one did. But i think BB is leaning heavier on commerical appeal and consistency for these list which makes sense but... well to anyone seeing Drake in the midst of all those pop girls is just weird. he could very well switched with Britney but whatever.

 

my predictions for the top 4

Taylor

Beyonce (should be switched but like i said commercial success is their number one factor so)

Drake

Rihanna (should be top 3 but Drake has more hits than her now so)

[John Slayne]

if we're going by chart success Drake is definitely above Rihanna

 

he's still the most streamed person ever on Spotify, as much as swifties claim Taylor Swift's popularity is 'unprecedented' she is still lagging behind Drake and will probably take a few more years to catch up with him.

[NEUTRON]

Gaga deserves her spot. Her come up was absolutely INSANE to watch in real time. 

 

Top 4 Predictions

 

1. Beyonce - only person to dominate all 24 years

2. Taylor - Mrs. Music Industry

3. Drake - Mr. Music Industry

4. Rihanna - she didn't take a break she took a broke *in my MC Debra voice*

[Wicked]

On 11/7/2024 at 12:06 AM, kwek_kwek said:

Charts is just one of the factors not the only factor of this list. He does not have iconic performances, and music videos, etc… he's not more impactful than Gaga and Britney.

 

Here's BB's criteria for this list:

 

Greatest Pop Stars are NOT mathematically determined by stats like chart position, streams or sales numbers. Those play a big part in our final rankings, of course — you can't be one of the greatest pop stars of the century without great pop hits and great pop albums — but so do things like music videos, live performances and social media presence, and more intangible factors like cultural importance, industry influence and overall omnipresence. (And we're measuring this over all 25 years of this century so far, so if you were only heard from at the beginning or the end of that period — or only had one or two big songs, albums or eras — that's gonna significantly hinder your ranking here as well.)

 

Drake is not better than Gaga and Britney in bolded part.

Please, I would argue he is

 

I understand y'all don't like Rap, but considering it's the biggest genre in the country and Drake has played a tremendous role in that, coupled with his extended influence in another genre (r&b) he has just as much right to rank this high as anyone else

 

He's not just a numbers guy. There were Drake clones ever since his debut. Bryson Tiller who has arguably the biggest R&B song of the 2010s owes his entire career, sound and image to Drake. There was a notorious TEN year period where Drake lyrics was everyones IG captions  there's articles about it.

 

But, all of his impact and influence is also an extension of Kanye West' impact and influence, so he should've been in the top 5 but he's a horrible person with the worst image rn so it makes sense he got shuffled down for Aubrey

[longjohn9898]

Gaga should be #1 or #2 but other artists have released quantity without quality and Billboard has to factor that in as releasing frequently throughout the decade it is considering for its ranking 

[istan4badgalriri]

#4: Drake

 

[abelfenty]

Rihanna top 3 confirmed