base talk Billboard's Greatest Pop Stars of the 21st Century | #3 Rihanna

[LosingHimWasBlue]

On 11/16/2024 at 6:03 AM, Triton said:

#3 Rihanna, though she could be lower given it's almost a decade since she released. 

 

#2 Taylor, great numbers, great gowns. 

 

#1 Beyonce for the longevity and being consistent the whole century, still competing with the Sabrina's/Chappells of today 

What competing? 
being OUT on Billboard 200, meanwhile Chappell and Sabrina on Top 10 

 

being OUT on Billboard Hot 100, meanwhile Chappell and Sabrina on Top 10 

 

getting outstreamed by Rihanna who never released the album since ANTI in 2016 

[Fleahive]

1 hour ago, LosingHimWasBlue said:

What competing? 
being OUT on Billboard 200, meanwhile Chappell and Sabrina on Top 10 

 

being OUT on Billboard Hot 100, meanwhile Chappell and Sabrina on Top 10 

 

getting outstreamed by Rihanna who never released the album since ANTI in 2016 

She out debuted all of them in overall album sales. Outsells all of them in ticket sales. Sure her music doesn't last as long on the charts nowadays because she doesn't make basic pop music for simple minded people but peak Beyonce stayed #1 for 8+ weeks several times, the others can't relate to that feat. She's going up against them at the Grammys. So yes she is very much "competing" with the new generation. The acts should be outcharting older acts just like how Destinys Child outcharted Michael Jackson in 2001. I know you stan people based off of data and stats but there are multiple elements to pop girls numbers. 

[Fleahive]

Anyways, criteria (according to the honorable mentions list) is based on importance and inpact. That makes Rihanna 3rd. 
 

Taylor and Beyonce both have many daughters who try to replicate their career. They are both impactful and important to the music world. An argument can be made for either being #1 depending on how you lean. I can't wait for this thread to die because people clearly lack the critical thinking to understand the criteria for this ranking. The faux outrage cause their fave wasn't ranked higher when you know damn well this isn't based off of who sold the most. Billboard has a separate chart for that. 

Edited 6 hours ago by Fleahive

[sickboy]

https://www.billboard.com/music/pop/rihanna-greatest-pop-star-21st-century-number-three-1235832933/

 

#3 Rihanna

 

Deserved #2 but I think that, just like Britney, the fact that both are nearly a decade with no new album makes a difference here.

[Klein]

1 hour ago, Fleahive said:

Anyways, criteria (according to the honorable mentions list) is based on importance and inpact. That makes Rihanna 3rd. 
 

Taylor and Beyonce both have many daughters who try to replicate their career. They are both impactful and important to the music world. An argument can be made for either being #1 depending on how you lean. I can't wait for this thread to die because people clearly lack the critical thinking to understand the criteria for this ranking. The faux outrage cause their fave wasn't ranked higher when you know damn well this isn't based off of who sold the most. Billboard has a separate chart for that. 

Not trying to defend or question the position of any artists, but the commercial success is a big factor for their decision, at least according to what they're saying on the podcast. Not the only one of course, but it is factored in. The list is basically a combination of success and cultural relevance.

 

29 minutes ago, sickboy said:

https://www.billboard.com/music/pop/rihanna-greatest-pop-star-21st-century-number-three-1235832933/

 

#3 Rihanna

 

Deserved #2 but I think that, just like Britney, the fact that both are nearly a decade with no new album makes a difference here.

Like I said previously, all 3 remaining ladies could have been #1 and I could see an argument being made for it. But I guess given Rihanna's absence for the better part of the last 10 years, her placement as #3 is fair. 

 

"(...) becoming the "Black Madonna" is comfortably in Rihanna's rearview mirror. She's something arguably even more awe-inspiring: a Black Caribbean immigrant woman whose talent, grit and inimitable charisma made her one of the important and successful pop singers in history." 

[Kingdom]

5 hours ago, LosingHimWasBlue said:

What competing? 
being OUT on Billboard 200, meanwhile Chappell and Sabrina on Top 10 

 

being OUT on Billboard Hot 100, meanwhile Chappell and Sabrina on Top 10 

 

getting outstreamed by Rihanna who never released the album since ANTI in 2016 

You are not bright. BEYONCE in her 30th year in the industry had a bigger debut than chappella and sabrina. Was no 1 on the bb200 for 2 weeks. She has not done a single promo since the album dropped. No one from the 90s can do these numbers...not even eminem. 

 

Sabrina will not be remembered in 10 years nor will Chappell. That is what is called longevity. No amount of stats will change that.

[Bethenny Frankel]

If Bey is not #1, Billboard is racist

[istan4badgalriri]

2 hours ago, Fleahive said:

Anyways, criteria (according to the honorable mentions list) is based on importance and inpact. That makes Rihanna 3rd. 
 

Taylor and Beyonce both have many daughters who try to replicate their career. They are both impactful and important to the music world. An argument can be made for either being #1 depending on how you lean. I can't wait for this thread to die because people clearly lack the critical thinking to understand the criteria for this ranking. The faux outrage cause their fave wasn't ranked higher when you know damn well this isn't based off of who sold the most. Billboard has a separate chart for that. 

…that applies to all 3 of them including Rihanna😭 and she arguably has the most 'daughters' in the new gen of pop girls

 

From Billboard's article posted today:

 

Quote

With 14 Hot 100 No. 1 hits (the most chart-toppers of any artist this century), two Billboard 200 No. 1 albums, nine Grammys, an endlessly imitated voice and a single name that can make virtually any door open from music to cosmetics to fashion, becoming the "Black Madonna" is comfortably in Rihanna's rearview mirror. She's something arguably even more awe-inspiring: a Black Caribbean immigrant woman whose talent, grit and inimitable charisma made her one of the important and successful pop singers in history. She's Rihanna – there are tens of hundreds of pop stars out there eager to put a modifier in front of her name and fashion her blueprint into something of their own. 

 

[piotrert]

order of the last top2 should be obvious looking at any available metric. question is how billboard will measure 'cultural impact'.

[Feanor]

We already knew long before this list that Taylor and Beyoncé are the two biggest, most influential, iconic, successful, impactful and "greatest" pop girls of the century.

 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Feanor

[Yonceage]

Taylor will be no. 1. Queen Bey no 2. 

[UnusualBoy]

I thought Bey was gonna be #3 tbh but all three ladies had the top 3 on lock. I think Taylor will edge out but either way, I'm glad a woman we have a top 3 full of women.

[istan4badgalriri]

5 minutes ago, Feanor said:

We already knew long before this list that Taylor and Beyoncé are the two biggest, most influential, iconic, successful, impactful and "greatest" pop girls of the century.

She has you so pressed😭

[By the Water]

Taylor, Drake and Rihanna should be the actual top 3 but we know how #her PR team moves 

[50thStateofMind]

Tay and Bey deserve 1 & 2

[Feanor]

2 minutes ago, istan4badgalriri said:

She has you so pressed😭

Who?

 

There's literally no one else left other than Taylor or Beyoncé who could be #1 and #2. There's Coldplay, who aren't even an honourable mention (), but no way would they ever be in the top 2. So naturally it's those two ladies on top, as they should be.

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Feanor

[Fleahive]

5 minutes ago, By the Water said:

Taylor, Drake and Rihanna should be the actual top 3 but we know how #her PR team moves 

Yvette would be the last PR that would ask to rank their artist high on some list. 

[Teezy]

Of course, Bey and Tay are the top 2. The talent and actual legendary impact is undeniable.  The others are footnotes and constant runner-ups.

[itsnickcray]

1. Britney Spears

2. Beyonce

3. Rihanna

4. Lady Gaga

5. Kanye West

6. Taylor Swift

7. Justin Bieber

8. Nicki Minaj

9. Drake

10. Lana Del Rey

 

This should have been the top 10 in my opinion. I think this is the most fair one, not based on commercial success but pure impact on the industry, the people etc. Also, the statement about not releasing music for a long time, doesn't make sense to me and should not be something that should be part of their decisions. 

Edited 1 hour ago by itsnickcray

[Rihannito]

8 minutes ago, Feanor said:

Who?

 

There's literally no one else left other than Taylor or Beyoncé who could be #1 and #2. There's Coldplay, who aren't even an honourable mention (), but no way would they ever be in the top 2. So naturally it's those two ladies on top, as they should be.

 

You know damn well that if Rihanna released during these pst years. She would obviously be in the top 2. Bey is being outstreamed by Rihanna as we speak eventho the latter hasn't released an album in almost 9 years.

[istan4badgalriri]

14 minutes ago, Feanor said:

Who?

 

There's literally no one else left other than Taylor or Beyoncé who could be #1 and #2. There's Coldplay, who aren't even an honourable mention (), but no way would they ever be in the top 2. So naturally it's those two ladies on top, as they should be.

 

yeah ok you're pressed that they placed Rihanna in the same bag/top 3 with them and that was obvious from your comment in previous page😭

[FLAallday]

Not it dwindling down to the top 3 we all knew was coming and now yall wanna fight about it  

[Feanor]

Just now, istan4badgalriri said:

yeah ok you're pressed that they placed Rihanna in the same bag/top 3 with them and that was obvious from your comment in previous page😭

This comment?

On 11/18/2024 at 7:32 PM, Feanor said:

We'll most likely be able to figure out who's exactly 2nd and 1st place this coming Wednesday when Billboard uploads their podcast episode for 3rd place (unless they don't tease anything this time).

Not an explanation of how exclusion procedure works being used to accuse me of being pressed.

 

Perhaps it's time to look in the mirror Ms. istan4badgirlriri, cause there's no reason why me celebrating Taylor's and Beyoncé's status should have gotten you so riled up.

 

[Bobyonce]

10 minutes ago, Rihannito said:

You know damn well that if Rihanna released during these pst years. She would obviously be in the top 2. Bey is being outstreamed by Rihanna as we speak eventho the latter hasn't released an album in almost 9 years.

That's all you guys ever talk about

Stream this stream that, never talent, sold out shows, acclaim, albums, etc

[Dante]

Perched for #2 and #1 cause it's gonna be meltdowns eitherway