base talk Billboard's Greatest Pop Stars of the 21st Century | #2 Taylor Swift

[Rev8]

It should've been Britney, Gaga, Beyonce, Taylor and Rihanna (no order) in the Top 5

 

Drake doesn't belong there

[Pheromosa]

The stats and influence don't lie, even if i don't like him

[Erreur2 La Nature]

Waiting for that little modster to put up the « Drake tops Lady Gaga in Billboard's ranking » banner 

 

Edit: for some reason Drake has been completely snubbed by that mod :/

Edited November 16 by Erreur2 La Nature

[laqqinq]

THE LIST SO FAR:

 

25. Katy Perry

24. Ed Sheeran
23. Bad Bunny
22. One Direction
21. Lil Wayne
20. Bruno Mars
19. BTS
18. The Weeknd
17. Shakira
16. Jay-Z
15. Miley Cyrus
14. Justin Timberlake
13. Nicki Minaj
12. Eminem
11. Usher
10. Adele
9. Ariana Grande
8. Justin Bieber
7. Kanye West
6. Britney Spears
5. Lady Gaga
4. Drake

 

Honorable Mentions:

50 Cent, Alicia Keys, Billie Eilish, Cardi B, Carrie Underwood, Chris Brown, Christina Aguilera, Doja Cat, Dua Lipa, Future, Jennifer Lopez, Kelly Clarkson, Kendrick Lamar, Kesha, Lana Del Rey, Lorde, Maroon 5, Megan Thee Stallion, Missy Elliot, Nelly, Olivia Rodrigo, P!nk, Post Malone, Sean Paul, SZA

[laqqinq]

#3 Rihanna i think

[RihannaLoverrr]

Excellent top 3, definitely the top women of the century

[istan4badgalriri]

yeah the top 3 sounds about right, they're undeniably the most successful+impactful+influential pop stars of the 21st century

 

I'm guessing Taylor will take #1 and Bey probably at #2, Rih's very very long hiatus hurts her chances of being higher than #3

[Klein]

Honestly, atp I'm fine with whatever they come up with for the top 3. Taylor, Beyoncé and Rihanna are the most important pop stars of the century and a case could be made for any of them going #1 tbh. They all participated in shaping the current and future generation of pop stars, have made waves in the industry and the culture, and their achievements speak for themselves. 

[longjohn9898]

Taylor shouldn't be top 5. If we determine biggest to be commercially successful, then sure, but her impact on pop culture is disproportionately miniscule compared to others on this list like Beyonce, Gaga, and Rihanna. 

[Sex with Rih]

Rihanna would probably be #2 or #1 if she didn't take such a long ass break. She was/is the soundtrack of our generation.

[JuanXito]

Top 3:

 

3. Taylor S.

2. Beyonce

1. Rihanna

[Feanor]

#3 is someone that was "mentioned a handful of times" throughout the Drake episode of the podcast accompanying this countdown.

 

I didn't listen to it, but I assume it means Rihanna as she's more associated with him than Taylor or Beyoncé.

[WildHeart]

6 hours ago, longjohn9898 said:

but her impact on pop culture is disproportionately miniscule

Biggest new star of the moment Sabrina would disagree

Edited November 13 by WildHeart

[Klein]

10 hours ago, Feanor said:

#3 is someone that was "mentioned a handful of times" throughout the Drake episode of the podcast accompanying this countdown.

 

I didn't listen to it, but I assume it means Rihanna as she's more associated with him than Taylor or Beyoncé.

Thank you for mentioning the podcast because I didn't know it existed but I'm really interested in what they've got to say in a long format. 

[Kill Me]

18 hours ago, longjohn9898 said:

Taylor shouldn't be top 5. If we determine biggest to be commercially successful, then sure, but her impact on pop culture is disproportionately miniscule compared to others on this list like Beyonce, Gaga, and Rihanna. 

I love how you gaga fans are so brave with this bullshit.

 

Of the new girls of the 2020s, 75% of them are direct clones of Taylor.

Also, Fad stans have been trying to make a cultural impact page on Wikipedia for AGES, but they keep getting denied by Wikipedia editors due to "disproportionately miniscule impact on pop culture" that faded away almost as soon as she did, 3 years after her debut.

 

Meanwhile for Taylor,

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_impact_of_Taylor_Swift

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impact_of_the_Eras_Tour

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_impact_of_Taylor_Swift

 

[longjohn9898]

7 hours ago, Kill Me said:

I love how you gaga fans are so brave with this bullshit.

 

Of the new girls of the 2020s, 75% of them are direct clones of Taylor.

Also, Fad stans have been trying to make a cultural impact page on Wikipedia for AGES, but they keep getting denied by Wikipedia editors due to "disproportionately miniscule impact on pop culture" that faded away almost as soon as she did, 3 years after her debut.

 

Meanwhile for Taylor,

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_impact_of_Taylor_Swift

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impact_of_the_Eras_Tour

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_impact_of_Taylor_Swift

 

Sending three articles of Wikipedia pages written by swifties isn't the drag you think it is, but feel free to live in your world where Taylor has the actual talent and risk-taking to make true cultural impact instead of the reality of her having basic younger white clones being successful and benefiting from the same privilege she has for decades 

[Raspberries]

On 11/13/2024 at 9:07 AM, longjohn9898 said:

Taylor shouldn't be top 5. If we determine biggest to be commercially successful, then sure, but her impact on pop culture is disproportionately miniscule compared to others on this list like Beyonce, Gaga, and Rihanna. 

Not even you believe this  The Eras Tour alone gets Taylor into the top 5. It has had impact on pop culture, politics and the world economy  Not to mention the amount of stars it has produced. 3 of her opening acts are nominated for Best New Artist at the Grammys lol and another is nominated in Pop Duo/Group. Plus Sabrina, Benson and Gracie are all smashing this year with huge hits. Opening for her tour is the best promo spot you can book

 

Add in the fact that she is the most commercially successful music artist since Michael Jackson, practically all up and coming/new singer songwriters in the pop game cite her as an influence, her music is as acclaimed as it is successful etc. and the only person who can even be mentioned in the same breath as her for the #1 spot is Beyonce

Edited November 14 by Raspberries

[Kill Me]

50 minutes ago, longjohn9898 said:

risk-taking to make true cultural impact

And what risk did Gaga take?

Put out one shitty panned bomb after another and never once getting acclaimed unlike the other 4 from the top 5.

I guess that's a risk considering that strategy killed her boatmate's career and she had to pivot to begging other much bigger artists to feature on her songs so that she doesn't become completely irrelevant. 

[Raspberries]

Gaga hasn't taken any artistic risks since ARTPOP

[longjohn9898]

11 hours ago, Raspberries said:

Not even you believe this  The Eras Tour alone gets Taylor into the top 5. It has had impact on pop culture, politics and the world economy  Not to mention the amount of stars it has produced. 3 of her opening acts are nominated for Best New Artist at the Grammys lol and another is nominated in Pop Duo/Group. Plus Sabrina, Benson and Gracie are all smashing this year with huge hits. Opening for her tour is the best promo spot you can book

 

Add in the fact that she is the most commercially successful music artist since Michael Jackson, practically all up and coming/new singer songwriters in the pop game cite her as an influence, her music is as acclaimed as it is successful etc. and the only person who can even be mentioned in the same breath as her for the #1 spot is Beyonce

Nice essay but you're still wrong. You can't fix this level of delusion so I won't try. Good day 

[Triton]

#3 Rihanna, though she could be lower given it's almost a decade since she released. 

 

#2 Taylor, great numbers, great gowns. 

 

#1 Beyonce for the longevity and being consistent the whole century, still competing with the Sabrina's/Chappells of today while traveling through Spice Girls, *NSYNC, Britney, Usher, BEP, JT, Shakira, Gaga, Katy, Drake, Adele and jumping from Pop, R&B, Rap/Hip Hop, some AC, Dance and now Country. She has the music videos, the singles, the albums, the awards, the talent, the voice, the moves, the influence, the polish, the ambition and drive. A well rounded 21st century popular star.

[Cruel Summer]

I think you can make a pretty strong argument for both Taylor and Beyoncé to top the list. It'll be interesting to see which of them is at the top and what Billboard's reasoning is for their choice.

 

Would love for lists like this to be accompanied to actual updates to their all-time charts, though.

[slw84]

Given their formula and Drake being up to #4.

 

I'm guessing:

1. Taylor especially after the Eras tour that's the final snatch she could get from Beyonce as she'll never have as many grammys, vocal skills or performance abilities but she has the sales, hits, longevity, versatility, the respect as a songwriter and multiple bodies of work. Yeah, the Eras tour and the impact of her this decade should seal the deal.

 

2. Beyonce

3. Rihanna

 

 

[StayFrosty]

On 11/14/2024 at 7:39 AM, longjohn9898 said:

Sending three articles of Wikipedia pages written by swifties isn't the drag you think it is, but feel free to live in your world where Taylor has the actual talent and risk-taking to make true cultural impact instead of the reality of her having basic younger white clones being successful and benefiting from the same privilege she has for decades 

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Hahaha funny enough you think Beyoncé has more influence, when I've been trimming and shaping her impact page with little to no citations. None of those outlets described Bey as most influential. But for Swift, I hope this can quench your thirst. Example; [1][2][3][4][5][6] There are many more in the article if you read. I think you should check out WP:LEAD to know more about how a lead section is written on Wikipedia. Thanks.

OMGGGG the talk section is HILARIOUS. the Swiftie writing wikiFiction about Taylor also trims down Beyonce's page

[Feanor]

We'll most likely be able to figure out who's exactly 2nd and 1st place this coming Wednesday when Billboard uploads their podcast episode for 3rd place (unless they don't tease anything this time).