Erotica Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago I love that her retiring from the standard pop star formula has actually helped her solidify herself as the greatest pop star! Only Beyonce can do this and you all know it I am lowkey proud of myself for stanning the best in the game, ha! 5
swissman Posted 20 hours ago Posted 20 hours ago (edited) 19 minutes ago, Erotica said: I love that her retiring from the standard pop star formula has actually helped her solidify herself as the greatest pop star! Only Beyonce can do this and you all know it I am lowkey proud of myself for stanning the best in the game, ha! THIS!! VERY MUCH THIS!! And it's something I don't think people are really grasping or considering. Most popstars eventually either conform to trends, chasing hits and inevitably being only as relevant as the date of their last hit OR just keep doing what works for them. Beyoncé side-stepped both approaches and carved her own unique lane, taking actual risks and shedding her own expectations to simply focus on the music, the art, the meaning. NO POPSTAR to my knowledge has EVER not released their lead single to mainstream markets until the release of their album. Beyoncé has. She didn't care that she was stopping a near-sure #1 hit in Formation, she instead gave it away for free. That's huge. That's greatness! You have to be pretty ******* sure of yourself, your art and your career to do something like that, especially having the pressure to follow up the success of your last very successful endeavour. And that's a key difference between her and Taylor. While Beyoncé has done things (purposefully?) that limit her commercial appeal, time and time again, Taylor seems intent on widening it. And Taylor's success in doing so is an example greatness in itself, but when the most self-sabotaging musical decision of your career was going "pop" after having increasingly gotten more "pop" with every release and thus pretty much know it's going to sell, you're not really doing much in terms of risk-taking. What she produced might be great, but in terms of naming a greatest popstar, the one who makes her own rules not in spite of anything but for the sake of art itself is always going to be seen as "greater". imo, at least. Edited 20 hours ago by swissman 12
Weld_E Posted 20 hours ago Posted 20 hours ago I have a very simple question: How can you be the GREATEST (not biggest) pop-star when you're, at most, an adequate performer live who can barely stay on key and has no rhythm? I know performing isn't everything (numbers aren't either), but if you want to make a case for being the GREATEST pop-star, then you need to at least be a good performer live.
P!NK2LOVE Posted 20 hours ago Posted 20 hours ago 2 hours ago, swissman said: She actually does deserve it. Her greatness is well documented since the very first year of the century, and not only has she been commercially and culturally impactful but her works' greatness has at times totally changed the very way people see, talk about and approach pop...she turned the medium into an art form after a handful of years when it was simply an assembly line of singles that subscribe to a trend. imo the BEYONCÉ era alone would grab her this title, but that wasn't the first nor the last amazing thing she did in her career. In my opinion. 1 1
ImpressMeMuch Posted 19 hours ago Posted 19 hours ago Rihanna - hits and influence Taylor - numbers and capitalism Beyoncé - art and culture what a great top 3
Beyoncei Posted 19 hours ago Posted 19 hours ago 5 hours ago, kimberly said: she's an icon, she's a legend, and she still is the moment, 27 years on. It's crazy she has been relevant for nearly my entire life Love you Queen x 1
Breathe On Moi Posted 18 hours ago Posted 18 hours ago 6 hours ago, ariesgroove said: I love and remember this lil performance like no other. maybe I am full Hive deep down after all. 1
StayFrosty Posted 17 hours ago Posted 17 hours ago So deserved . She goes viral for having incredible performances (Beychella, Dubai concert) while other people in the Top 2 get dragged for stomping on stage like a herd of Hippos. 2
Doogle Posted 16 hours ago Posted 16 hours ago No it's good to see her get her flowers whether ATRL likes it or not she's been that girl. She had threads on here in 2006 discussing if she was over because of B'Day. She had people celebrating DC falling apart in 2000/2001. And yet here she is still. 2
Kristie Kuwa Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago (edited) The funny thing is: Sales this, sales that, eventually everyone at their peak will lose interest and diminish in sales. It happened to the Beatles, it happened to MJ, itll happen to Taylor. But what is she left with once there's no Taylormania left? Thats the true question Swifties will have to face soon. Beyonce has managed to prolong her success by not playing by the book, taking immense risk, focussing on her talent and thus on perfecting her craft. And it worked out tremendously! Yall wanna shade her about some stupid BB200 chart, but for her to still be able to top the charts like that with a COUNTRY project (which goes against everything the brand Beyonce essentially stands for) 27 (!!!) Years into her career is nothing sort of a miracle. Shes had 4 #1s in the 2020s so far without any MVs or promo. Its literally unprecedent. So give your flowers to this legend! Edited 12 hours ago by Kristie Kuwa 1 1
Soda Pop Queen Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 3 hours ago, Doogle said: No it's good to see her get her flowers whether ATRL likes it or not she's been that girl. She had threads on here in 2006 discussing if she was over because of B'Day. She had people celebrating DC falling apart in 2000/2001. And yet here she is still. TRUE LONGEVITY! LET 'EM KNOW! So much has changed since the dawn of the millennium and Beyoncé has seen it all and survived it all with so much grace. She helped drive the era of popular music and pop culture that raised every younger MPG of the last 15-20 years. The only people who don't realize that are young and/or ignorant stans. They better get familiar. 1 1
PopMusicJunkie Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago Deserved. She's always had the beauty, grace, work ethic, and talent to back it up. 1
QueenBeyoncé Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago (edited) Acting like Beyoncé don't have numbers when she sold over 350 million records in her career but the buck doesn't stop there It goes far beyond that, maybe next century stinks Edited 7 hours ago by QueenBeyoncé 1
swissman Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago 14 hours ago, P!NK2LOVE said: In my opinion. Glad you agree too! With me, and with Billboard: "[The surprise released visual album] was arguably the single most pivotal moment in all of 21st-century pop music." 1
swissman Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago (edited) 6 hours ago, Kristie Kuwa said: The funny thing is: Sales this, sales that, eventually everyone at their peak will lose interest and diminish in sales. It happened to the Beatles, it happened to MJ, itll happen to Taylor. But what is she left with once there's no Taylormania left? Thats the true question Swifties will have to face soon. Beyonce has managed to prolong her success by not playing by the book, taking immense risk, focussing on her talent and thus on perfecting her craft. And it worked out tremendously! Yall wanna shade her about some stupid BB200 chart, but for her to still be able to top the charts like that with a COUNTRY project (which goes against everything the brand Beyonce essentially stands for) 27 (!!!) Years into her career is nothing sort of a miracle. Shes had 4 #1s in the 2020s so far without any MVs or promo. Its literally unprecedent. So give your flowers to this legend! THIS. It's every fan's dream (or it should be) that their fave isn't measured by numbers but by the quality and impact of their work. That's why the whole "Beyoncé didn't have a solo hit since 2009" drag was actually a feather in her cap. Ya? And? In that 13-year period she still was thee Beyoncé the entire time, a lack of commercial hits didn't decrease her notoriety or reverence it INCREASED, her name a synonym for excellence used among many types of people, not just pop fans. This is the goal, really, not just to sell a lot of album because once you stop, if there's nothing else to say as amazing as "WOW IT SOLD X MILLION ALBUMS" then what are they saying? Edited 6 hours ago by swissman 1
Doogle Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago 49 minutes ago, swissman said: Glad you agree too! With me, and with Billboard: "[The surprise released visual album] was arguably the single most pivotal moment in all of 21st-century pop music." And I think as time goes by this became normal but people don't understand how truly monumental this was. Until that point she was just a pop star. A very good one, who had already stopped chasing hits and deviated from the current sound on 4. But a popstar nonetheless, top 40 ready with a big team and backing. And after seemingly standard early 2010s lead single rollout teases from those H&M and Pepsi ads. Fresh off the Super Bowl. A tour??? She comes out with no lead single, a whole album with videos a week or so before Christmas Day with truly no prior warning in the iTunes era. I think people forget and need reminding the magnitude for a pop girl to do that. I couldn't have asked for a better time to be 16 years old than that moment tbh it's solidified in my memory for eternity 2
alien superstore Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago Beyonce is so great and so consistently great that we forget to give her her props. She's not inconsistent, she's not a scalper, she's not predictable. She's the whole deal. 1
swissman Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 1 hour ago, Doogle said: And I think as time goes by this became normal but people don't understand how truly monumental this was. Until that point she was just a pop star. A very good one, who had already stopped chasing hits and deviated from the current sound on 4. But a popstar nonetheless, top 40 ready with a big team and backing. And after seemingly standard early 2010s lead single rollout teases from those H&M and Pepsi ads. Fresh off the Super Bowl. A tour??? She comes out with no lead single, a whole album with videos a week or so before Christmas Day with truly no prior warning in the iTunes era. I think people forget and need reminding the magnitude for a pop girl to do that. I couldn't have asked for a better time to be 16 years old than that moment tbh it's solidified in my memory for eternity Yes! You know you achieved something huge when in ~10 years people cannot grasp how important it was. Today, a surprise release is still super exciting. It's not however, confusing, shocking, rule-breaking, etc. There was no precedent for anything like it, and with 17 music videos all given at once in the middle of the night? And the impact was immediate. Even just Beyoncé's method of doing everything /but/ release an album was quite impactful. There was this idea that if you're visible you must be promoting something, or gearing up for something, and though she ultimately was, it was super confusing for fans and the GP alike. Two new songs in commercials, no release? A tour, features, magazines, documentary? It was called the Beyhydration but in reality there was a lot going on which all added to the ultimate bonkers-ness of the surprise drop, and we saw other artists in years to come do that sort of "will they won't they" album release strategy too.
Matchatea Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago Just found out how Beyonce and Taylor reacted to the news?!?! I am surprised omg?! Taylor shows up to Beyoncé's house, "Congratulations" she says, "you're finally on top". Bey lets out a breathy chuckle, " i was always on top of you...& not just on the billboard." Tay looks at her for the first time. Bey meets her gaze. "Prove it' Taylor says, "prove it to me".
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