The Music Industry Posted August 14 Posted August 14 Taylor did it multiple times throughout her career
Squall Posted August 14 Posted August 14 20 minutes ago, ChapelHooker said: and yet they were on a very well sold arena WORLD tour very recently... And the music still tanked. A lot of artists sell out arenas without being popular anymore post covid. 19 minutes ago, The7thStranger said: We have to remember that Janet was going to become a legacy act sooner or later, and that's where she is now. You can't fully undo the damage after the Superbowl, but she's gotten her flowers over the past five years: a major two-part documentary on Lifetime, awards, name-checked by several new artists as an inspiration, a successful US tour, a successful world tour, and her induction into the Hall of Fame. Just because she hasn't had a #1 single in a while doesn't mean she hasn't had her successes. Why take those away from her? They certainly tried, but it had all the power of a Thomas the Tank Engine plush. I don't know, it's just not comparable to other artists who truly came back into the light after a hate train. No offense but no one checked for her new music after that. 1
Uncatena Posted August 14 Posted August 14 1 minute ago, Squall said: And the music still tanked. A lot of artists sell out arenas without being popular anymore post covid. how do you sell out an arena with at least a bit of popularity? just abandoning logic for a drag
Squall Posted August 14 Posted August 14 6 minutes ago, ChapelHooker said: how do you sell out an arena with at least a bit of popularity? just abandoning logic for a drag Going by your logic, there is not such thing as a legacy artists? Not sure how you guys can say an artist OVERCAME their hate train when people don't check their new music anymore 2
The7thStranger Posted August 14 Posted August 14 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Squall said: And the music still tanked. A lot of artists sell out arenas without being popular anymore post covid. I don't know, it's just not comparable to other artists who truly came back into the light after a hate train. No offense but no one checked for her new music after that. Things didn't reverse course on the conversation surrounding Janet until #METOO, which falls well within the bounds of her legacy era, which I would argue started in 2015 with Unbreakable. After that, there wasn't any new music to speak of apart from a one-off single. If we look at 20 YO and Discipline, both released well before #METOO as well, they did okay-ish given the circumstances. Feedback was a moderately successful single and at least two of the albums went #1 in the US. The timing wouldn't allow Janet to have some major comeback. It was always going to be a slow ride back to grace. Edited August 14 by The7thStranger
BGKC Posted August 14 Posted August 14 Beyoncé overcame a lot of hate and malicious accusations, but she capitalized on it by releasing the album/song "Survivor" Her support system >>>
Uncatena Posted August 14 Posted August 14 2 minutes ago, Squall said: Going by your logic, there is not such thing as a legacy artists? Not sure how you guys can say an artist OVERCAME their hate train when people don't check their new music anymore so is your argument that Sam is a legacy artist and that's why they sold well? legacy artists can tour without new music because they are popular without it. you cannot be NOT in demand and sell out venues???? 1
Squall Posted August 14 Posted August 14 (edited) 32 minutes ago, ChapelHooker said: so is your argument that Sam is a legacy artist and that's why they sold well? legacy artists can tour without new music because they are popular without it. you cannot be NOT in demand and sell out venues???? Sam doesn't have a legacy so no, I am just saying legacy artists wouldn't be a thing under your logic. Good for them if they can sell out shows, but the music isn't checked by the GP so not a good example imo 35 minutes ago, The7thStranger said: Things didn't reverse course on the conversation surrounding Janet until #METOO, which falls well within the bounds of her legacy era, which I would argue started in 2015 with Unbreakable. After that, there wasn't any new music to speak of apart from a one-off single. If we look at 20 YO and Discipline, both released well before #METOO as well, they did okay-ish given the circumstances. Feedback was a moderately successful single and at least two of the albums went #1 in the US. The timing wouldn't allow Janet to have some major comeback. It was always going to be a slow ride back to grace. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying she has been forgotten after the incident, Injust don't think she came back as popular like it happened with Mariah, Madonna or others who truly had a gigantic success after being cancelled. Edited August 14 by Squall 1
jezebelvictoria Posted August 14 Posted August 14 Victoria Beckham used to be DRAGGED daily by the UK tabloids for years back in the day. It was horrendous.
Blackout2006 Posted August 14 Posted August 14 Britney in 2005-2007, returned with her first #1 hit since BOMT Billie Eilish in 2021, returned with her biggest debut performance, a massive hit (Birds of a Feather), and the most stable era since her debut Taylor Swift in 2015-2020 came with Folklore which highlighted her artistry and made her a critic's darling AG between late 2023 and early 2024, Eternal Sunshine performed well
Blackout2006 Posted August 14 Posted August 14 (edited) Britney in 2005-2007, returned with her first #1 hit since BOMT Billie Eilish in 2021, returned with her biggest debut performance, a massive hit (Birds of a Feather), and the most stable era since her debut Taylor Swift in 2015-2020 came with Folklore which highlighted her artistry and made her a critic's darling AG between late 2023 and early 2024, Eternal Sunshine performed well Madonna during the early 1990s, returned with Ray of Light and Music Edited August 14 by Blackout2006
Uncatena Posted August 14 Posted August 14 10 minutes ago, Squall said: Sam doesn't have a legacy so no, I am just saying legacy artists wouldn't be a thing under your logic. Good for him if he can sell out shows, but the music isn't checked by the GP so not a good example imo you misgendering them after I used the correct pronouns twice really shows where you heart is in this argument so have the day you deserve! <3 1
Squall Posted August 14 Posted August 14 (edited) 8 minutes ago, ChapelHooker said: you misgendering them after I used the correct pronouns twice really shows where you heart is in this argument so have the day you deserve! <3 What? I am not a native English speaker so when I translate sentences in my head it always goes by « he/she », there is nothing intentional here Edited August 14 by Squall 1
Uncatena Posted August 14 Posted August 14 2 minutes ago, Squall said: What? I am not a native English speaker so when I translate sentences in my head it always goes by « he/she », there is nothing intentional here okay? do better! im also not a native English speaker and manage to respect people's pronouns <3
Squall Posted August 14 Posted August 14 1 minute ago, ChapelHooker said: okay? do better! im also not a native English speaker and manage to respect people's pronouns <3 Well good for you, « they » doesn't exist in my language so I don't naturally use neutral pronouns, stop thinking everything revolves around the way you guys were used to use some words. 4
Yog Posted August 14 Posted August 14 1 hour ago, Squall said: Gloria tanked, what are you even saying? One underperforming album with an successful smash single & tour pretty much makes most of the case, not to mention the 100 of millions they sold throughout their career, WITH HATETRAIN IN MIND!
Squall Posted August 14 Posted August 14 Go cry somewhere else @Yawn I edited my posts, far-left members are so insufferable honestly Anyway, as I said, I don't think Sam is a good example of that. It's not like their last album was a bit successful, it simply tanked. Madonna or Mariah are the perfect examples for this thread. 1 2
Squall Posted August 14 Posted August 14 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Yog said: One underperforming album with an successful smash single & tour pretty much makes most of the case, not to mention the 100 of millions they sold throughout their career, WITH HATETRAIN IN MIND! It didn't simply underperform, it TANKED, especially with a successful single; I know you are an expert at being delusional when it comes to Sam Smith but have some common sense Half of these units come from one album by the way. Edited August 14 by Squall 3
Uncatena Posted August 14 Posted August 14 16 minutes ago, Squall said: Well good for you, « they » doesn't exist in my language so I don't naturally use neutral pronouns, stop thinking everything revolves around the way you guys were used to use some words. BOOOOO BOOOOOO TOMATOES TOMATOES 1
Yog Posted August 14 Posted August 14 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Squall said: It didn't simply underperform, it TANKED, especially with a successful since; I know you are an expert at being delusional when it comes to Sam Smith but have some common sense Half of these units come from one album by the way. I never denied it was an flop because it DID alienated Sam's core audience, You act like other artists are incapable of rebounding back, essentially when Sam has to do is return to their AC roots, which their next album is leaning towards, it will outsell Gloria 2.7M with ease.. And what about? Their albums post debut has sold close 20M WW, sounds like a stable career to me. Edited August 14 by Yog
Yog Posted August 14 Posted August 14 1 hour ago, ChapelHooker said: how do you sell out an arena with at least a bit of popularity? just abandoning logic for a drag As if he ever had it..
Squall Posted August 14 Posted August 14 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Yog said: I never denied it was an flop because it alienated Sam's core audience, You act like other artists are incapable of rebounding back, essentially when Sam has to do is return to their AC roots, which their next album is leaning towards, it will outsell Gloria 2.7M with ease.. And what about? Their albums post debut has sold close 20M WW, sounds like a stable career to me. Even the 2.7M figure isn't fair as most of them must come from the song with Kim Truth is there was no hate train during their first album (and second as well if I remember correctly) so I am not sure what your point is: they have been underperforming/flopping since the hate train. Edited August 14 by Squall 2
Yog Posted August 14 Posted August 14 4 minutes ago, Squall said: Truth is there was no hate train during their first album (and second as well if I remember correctly) so I am not sure what your point is: they have been underperforming/flopping since the hate train. Your memory is off…in 2017 there's was must definitely an hatetrain for Sam Smith https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-do-so-many-people-hate-sam-smith So my point still stands, they've always had an hatetrain and manages to find SOME sort of success in every album cycle, thus overcoming the noise unlike you and your high horse..
Namie-Knowles Posted August 14 Posted August 14 46 minutes ago, Squall said: Go cry somewhere else @Yawn I edited my posts, far-left members are so insufferable honestly Anyway, as I said, I don't think Sam is a good example of that. It's not like their last album was a bit successful, it simply tanked. Madonna or Mariah are the perfect examples for this thread. The dog whistles sending. Lmao
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