ugo Posted August 10 Author Posted August 10 45 minutes ago, Sheep said: Siding with and working with are two different things. You're the one pushing a narrative here. Yeah you're literally busy recycling earlier posts I responded to at this point. Such bizarre behavior Idc Katy still worked with a rapist… 3
Sheep Posted August 10 Posted August 10 5 minutes ago, ugo said: Idc Katy still worked with a rapist… you finally made it to a factual statement, congratulations
AvadaKedavra Posted August 10 Posted August 10 (edited) Katy Brain "Hmm, honey Dr. Luke is the real secret to my success—he's the missing piece. His lack of involvement is the reason why im floppin. I worked With Max Martin on Witness and all those songs flopped. Gottwald is the door to my comeback! Sure, Kesha was chatting about me with Gaga—whatever, forget that bi*** who cares about her, but I'll play nice with Gaga. Have your enemies near. I'll give the gays everything they want—I'll be hotter than ever, with long black hair, dance anthems, camp vibes, and all the woke stuff. the Dr Luke Touch There might be some backlash, but nothing I can't handle. It will pass " Edited August 10 by AvadaKedavra 6
Ethereaaal Posted August 10 Posted August 10 Imagine how dumb you have to be… to run back to your peer's rapist after a very public debacle, only to create the most basic songs which she could've created with almost literally any other producer. It's just the lack of brain cells tbh. 2 1 1
YourFavoriteWeapon Posted August 10 Posted August 10 She clearly doesn't think rape is a serious issue. 6 1 2
Cheap Thrills 9.0 Posted August 10 Posted August 10 She did it because she wanted to prove that her past success wasn't solely due to Dr. Luke being such an outstanding producer as many of her haters claimed I think 2
Lüwís Posted August 10 Posted August 10 She's never struck me as someone who is bright. The goofy, dizzy 'bimbo' thing worked when she was younger but she's approaching 40 (or is in her 40s, I don't care enough to check). It shows a lack of maturity and it's not endearing. She has also never tried to evolve much sonically. It works for some people but I'd assume they have a strong fan base who accept whatever. She never really had that. The choice of producers hasn't helped either, but I think the music quality is the biggest issue. It's just not good music so far. I have no doubt that if the music was good, people would be ignoring who produced it.
Vixen Eyes Posted August 11 Posted August 11 On 8/10/2024 at 8:22 AM, Sheep said: She has not enabled him to commit any acts of sexual violence or otherwise abuse. She hired him to produce songs. This is going in circles. You're either a moron or the worst troll of all time. by hiring him, she is giving him a job in which gives him further access to more women to potentially harass and abuse, not just with sexual violence, but by fat shaming, blackmail, etc 7
mrpartyrocker Posted August 11 Posted August 11 (edited) she simply hoped it would bring her back the success she once had, but it turned out she never needed dr luke because any producers can recreate that sound in 2024, it doesn't take a genius to do that! now if she went back to working with bonnie instead, she could have had a chance! sometimes i wonder, how low is katy's IQ? did she seriously think she would just get a smash and no one would care about her working with dr luke? the difference between her working with him and a z-list artist is that she has a massive platform and a lot of people still follow her, of course it would have stirred a lot of conversations. just a dumb move Edited August 11 by mrpartyrocker 7
frankgutz Posted August 11 Posted August 11 On 8/9/2024 at 11:46 AM, NausAllien said: He gave her 99% of her big hits and she was desperate for a hit after two flop eras. And I don't think she thought there would be that much backlash because a decade had past since Kesha's allegations and he had won a court case against her. No he didnt? whats not clicking?? After years of Luke bleeding keshas money on court, THEY BOTH SETTLED to end the court allegations, he didnt won **** 4 1
sweetkiss Posted August 11 Posted August 11 I don't know Katy Perry, nor was I ever Katy Kat, and I'm definitely not fond of Dr. Luke's sound. However, these narratives are confusing as Katy Perry is not an independent artist. Usually, you are tied to contracts and "obligated" to do what your label wants you to do. Labels usually have their own songwriters they have contracts with and instruct you to use them because it profits them. Outsourcing producers is not cost-effective. again i have no idea what their situation is like, im just saying usually thats how it goes. what katy perry does under label musically we cannot treat as her own decision
Raichu Posted August 11 Posted August 11 (edited) On 8/9/2024 at 1:18 PM, Bhabylon said: She saw there was a market of gays who consume lowest common denominator Kim Petras pop music and said "hmmm okay I guess I can make money off of them too", and now we're here It very much is this. She saw other people doing it so she thought she was in the clear to as well. 2 hours ago, sweetkiss said: I don't know Katy Perry, nor was I ever Katy Kat, and I'm definitely not fond of Dr. Luke's sound. However, these narratives are confusing as Katy Perry is not an independent artist. Usually, you are tied to contracts and "obligated" to do what your label wants you to do. Labels usually have their own songwriters they have contracts with and instruct you to use them because it profits them. Outsourcing producers is not cost-effective. again i have no idea what their situation is like, im just saying usually thats how it goes. what katy perry does under label musically we cannot treat as her own decision Articles have come out saying her team tried to get her not to and she insisted. It was her own vision. Edited August 11 by Raichu 4 2
TomTom Posted August 11 Posted August 11 1 minute ago, sweetkiss said: what katy perry does under label musically we cannot treat as her own decision Quote "Katy knew exactly the album she wanted to make and put together the team to make it happen," a Capitol Records source confirms to Rolling Stone. https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/katy-perry-new-album-kp6-dr-luke-max-martin-1235041835/ 5 3
Sheep Posted August 11 Posted August 11 (edited) 7 hours ago, Vixen Eyes said: by hiring him, she is giving him a job in which gives him further access to more women to potentially harass and abuse, not just with sexual violence, but by fat shaming, blackmail, etc This is where this becomes a really complicated situation imho. Puke is a multi-millionaire who(despite his sharp and rapid decline in talent somewhere around 2011) is known as one of the best in his field and has an enormous team at his disposal with or without Katy Perry as a client. It's really hard to say if this album gave him access to anybody who wasn't going to be working for him. With or without Katy, there will ALWAYS be somebody willing to sell their integrity to work with him, famous or not; and even if he was completely blacklisted, as long as ALL of our ATRL favs(except Beyonce and Gaga that I know of) have catalog hits bringing in millions in royalties for him, he will always employ a huge staff both for his work and privately. Did members of Katy's team have to work closely with Luke himself? I feel like contracts and scheduling and all non-music discussions wouldn't have involved either of the two of them and have mainly gone through managers/PAs. Katy herself probably had to work extensively with him but lets not forget that by working with that creep that she was potentially putting herself in harm's way too. Deplatforming Puke is a legitimate thing to ask for, but until it gains real traction and his biggest income stream(catalog royalties) takes a hit, pretending that ANYBODY who works with him is the cause for future abuse doesn't sit right with me, not least of all because the clients in question are not the ones committing the abuse. As long as he has all these resources at his disposal he will ALWAYS attract clients. and again, this is all on top of the fact that we have zero idea what's gone on behind the scenes between Katy and him. I've maintained in just about every post that I think it was both creatively and personally an enormous lapse in judgement to work with him, but I sincerely believe that doesn't mean she's guilty of his crimes or perpetuating them. Working with a known abuser, like she did, and enabling/downplaying/perpetuating/committing abuse are two totally different categories of mistake. These things can and naturally do overlap in many cases, but I just haven't been convinced that that's the case in this scenario. As a survivor of abuse and sexual violence myself, I understand what compels people to react in sincere outrage here, but a lot of what I see in this thread isn't sincere outrage and is using a gravely serious issue as stan war fodder. The OP of this thread is literally a troll account. Edited August 11 by Sheep 1 8
frankgutz Posted August 11 Posted August 11 1 hour ago, sweetkiss said: I don't know Katy Perry, nor was I ever Katy Kat, and I'm definitely not fond of Dr. Luke's sound. However, these narratives are confusing as Katy Perry is not an independent artist. Usually, you are tied to contracts and "obligated" to do what your label wants you to do. Labels usually have their own songwriters they have contracts with and instruct you to use them because it profits them. Outsourcing producers is not cost-effective. again i have no idea what their situation is like, im just saying usually thats how it goes. what katy perry does under label musically we cannot treat as her own decision She herself in court said she has NONE contract with Luke, she waited until they settled (Luke & Kesha) to bring him back, whats not clicking lol 3 4
Raver Posted August 11 Posted August 11 She saw the hits the rap girlies were getting with Luke and wanted to ride the wave
YourFavoriteWeapon Posted August 11 Posted August 11 7 hours ago, mrpartyrocker said: sometimes i wonder, how low is katy's IQ? did she seriously think she would just get a smash and no one would care about her working with dr luke? the difference between her working with him and a z-list artist is that she has a massive platform and a lot of people still follow her, of course it would have stirred a lot of conversations. just a dumb move Probably extremely low, she's the same person who thought pushing Small Talk as a single was a good idea.
CroNich Posted August 11 Posted August 11 (edited) On 8/11/2024 at 5:08 AM, AvadaKedavra said: Katy Brain "Hmm, honey Dr. Luke is the real secret to my success—he's the missing piece. His lack of involvement is the reason why im floppin. I worked With Max Martin on Witness and all those songs flopped. Gottwald is the door to my comeback! Sure, Kesha was chatting about me with Gaga—whatever, forget that bi*** who cares about her, but I'll play nice with Gaga. Have your enemies near. I'll give the gays everything they want—I'll be hotter than ever, with long black hair, dance anthems, camp vibes, and all the woke stuff. the Dr Luke Touch There might be some backlash, but nothing I can't handle. It will pass " The way this is 100% accurate to what her train of thought would've been going into this era Edited August 11 by CroNich 1 1
aesthetic bih Posted August 12 Posted August 12 She had a false belief that if we she ran back to L*ke, they can recreate the magic they once had during the Teenage Dream era. Sucks for her, the songs and album bombed
Bubble Tea Posted August 12 Posted August 12 The way Katy didn't even get Kim Petras level bawps lmao. I was so ready for Katy's "Heart to Break" but alas 1 hour ago, aesthetic bih said: She had a false belief that if we she ran back to L*ke, they can recreate the magic they once had during the Teenage Dream era Everyone loves to forget the most magical component of Teenage Dream era was Bonnie McKee. People can drag her solo success all they like but it's so clear that her vision and ideas were the driving force behind that era, as well as the more redeeming parts of Prism.
Baltie Posted August 12 Posted August 12 Well, the bottom line is basically, she worked with him before and got hits. She probably thought that by working with him again, she'd get even more hits. All this talk about "If you don't love me at my Witness or Smile, you can't love me at my KP6 era" or "I would like to see you try and call me a flop one more time" during her Las Vegas residency tells me that her priority for her next era was commercial success, even if it meant risking her morality by working with Luke. I know that I shouldn't be sad for Katy since she chose to work with an abuser, but it's just so disappointing to see this woman, who has achieved such high peaks during Teenage Dream, risk it all for nothing. She destroyed all goodwill towards her, the songs aren't even good (which is the saddest part because working with Luke did absolutely nothing for her era sound-wise), and she's destined to flop yet again with this album. 3
frankgutz Posted August 12 Posted August 12 4 hours ago, Baltie said: Well, the bottom line is basically, she worked with him before and got hits. She probably thought that by working with him again, she'd get even more hits. All this talk about "If you don't love me at my Witness or Smile, you can't love me at my KP6 era" or "I would like to see you try and call me a flop one more time" during her Las Vegas residency tells me that her priority for her next era was commercial success, even if it meant risking her morality by working with Luke. This is why i dont believe when cats say she doesnt care about charts, she was clearly very serious and she really though she was gonna have another TD era by bringing Luke lol 1
Mikeymoonshine Posted August 13 Posted August 13 Cos she flopped for two eras without him, saw other artists working with him not getting backlash and the case was settled so she probably thought that would mean less of a bad reaction. Obviously these aren't good reasons and she was wrong for it but what i don't get is why the music was so terrible? Like Dr Luke's work with other artists and Katy in the past is not this bad. I don't think the GP cares about Kesha enough to guarantee her a flop just for working with him.
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