Mtjjproducer Posted August 9 Posted August 9 2 hours ago, Kukai said: Why did Gaga hire Terry Richardson, R Kelly and Richy Jackson? Why did Beyonce hire the Dream? All female popstars have hired men who've been accused of SA. The hate campaign towards Katy is tired Wait what did the dream do???
lg6chromatica Posted August 9 Posted August 9 2 hours ago, ugo said: Other popstars working with problematic people still doesn't take away what Katy did. They're all bad. Um Gaga either cut ties with or revoked those people... 1
Digitalism Posted August 9 Posted August 9 Didn't you see all the threads asking for her to work with Luke again? Atrl acts now like this was a bad idea because the music sucks and it flopped, but a few months ago half of this forum thought they were getting Doja bops 1
TomTom Posted August 9 Posted August 9 3 hours ago, NausAllien said: and he had won a court case against her. No, he hasn't . 8
MadMax12 Posted August 9 Posted August 9 She's trying to recreate Teenage Dream with this era in every way possible instead of evolving. Gimme Gimme might have smashed if it was the lead single but it's too late now
ugo Posted August 9 Author Posted August 9 (edited) 2 hours ago, Sheep said: dr luke isn't a government official and Katy has not "supported" him in the way that a tr*mp or h*tler supporter would, what she's done has nothing to do with his crimes vs fascists who support fascist leaders exclusively BECAUSE of their crimes, this outrage is so performative and this is one of the stupidest things I have ever read on ATRL, the rabid Katy hate just does not stand up to any critical thinking. Y'all are a bunch of pressed, miserable swifties and little monsters who have been frothing at the mouth for a chance to kick this woman while she's down for 10 years at this point. Was Taylor Swift endorsing abuse by working with Luke's mentor Max on Reputation? Gaga with Stupid Love? Are people who worked with Luke before the lawsuit complicit? Are people who still work with or sign deals with Sony and their artists who funded Luke's smear campaign against Kesha complicit? Katy, Britney, P!nk, Kelly, Miley, Rihanna, Nicki, and his victim Kesha all still profit off of Luke's work which sells tickets to shows and does massive streaming numbers, is that morally wrong if he profits off of the royalties as well? Gaga completely erased a whole hit single from her discography zero questions asked once she knew what her collaborator had done, there's precedent for doing it. Is it wrong that they still use those hits? Are you or any other forum user qualified to be the judge of that, especially in case of Kesha's discography? What about members of the general public who heard about Luke and still stream music he worked on, they're putting even more money in his pocket than Katy did. If we want to play the guilty by association game we can follow this very far and put blood on the hands of the entire recording industry and then some. This industry is full of figures both publicly facing and not who deserve to be in prison but still walk freely. The fact of the matter is that Dr. Luke is a r****t and abuser, Katy Perry is not, her worst crime is being behind the times musically and choosing a producer that nobody likes either as a musician or a person anymore. She hired him to produce songs(that he didn't even do a good job at), she didn't tell him to or empower him to abuse more women, nor endorse his previous criminal actions in any way. It was a misguided business transaction. The defecting. Katy is very much guilty of supporting a rapist Edited August 9 by ugo 4
ugo Posted August 9 Author Posted August 9 1 hour ago, Mtjjproducer said: Wait what did the dream do??? The allegations came out after Beyoncé worked with them…unlike Katy 1 1
Sheep Posted August 9 Posted August 9 18 minutes ago, ugo said: The defecting. Katy is very much guilty of supporting a rapist So is most the industry. Supporting a r****t isn't a real crime. Katy is not a r****t.
ugo Posted August 9 Author Posted August 9 38 minutes ago, Sheep said: So is most the industry. Supporting a r****t isn't a real crime. Katy is not a r****t. She is a rape apologist 5 1
Sheep Posted August 9 Posted August 9 (edited) 7 minutes ago, ugo said: She is a rape apologist You are, by definition, categorically wrong. She has not defended or downplayed the severity of any sexual violence on any occasion from anybody, which is what that phrase means. There is no good faith argument for Katy being guilty of anything except poor taste here. Edited August 9 by Sheep
ugo Posted August 10 Author Posted August 10 11 hours ago, Sheep said: You are, by definition, categorically wrong. She has not defended or downplayed the severity of any sexual violence on any occasion from anybody, which is what that phrase means. There is no good faith argument for Katy being guilty of anything except poor taste here. by collaborating with him she is obviously downplaying it 1 4 1
Sheep Posted August 10 Posted August 10 1 hour ago, ugo said: by collaborating with him she is obviously downplaying it That is not true. His work on 143 is completely unrelated.
ugo Posted August 10 Author Posted August 10 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Sheep said: That is not true. His work on 143 is completely unrelated. How ? He's a rapist….she's enabling him Edited August 10 by ugo 7 1
Sheep Posted August 10 Posted August 10 (edited) 26 minutes ago, ugo said: How ? He's a rapist….she's enabling him She has not enabled him to commit any acts of sexual violence or otherwise abuse. She hired him to produce songs. This is going in circles. You're either a moron or the worst troll of all time. Edited August 10 by Sheep 10
YourFavoriteWeapon Posted August 10 Posted August 10 23 minutes ago, Sheep said: She has not enabled him to commit any acts of sexual violence or otherwise abuse. She hired him to produce songs. This is going in circles. You're either a moron or the worst troll of all time. And she doesn't care about his proven abuse and harassment of women that has been documented since the mid-2000's. She clearly doesn't think rape, misogyny, and pushing someone into an eating disorder (re: Kesha) is a serious issue. 5
Sheep Posted August 10 Posted August 10 2 minutes ago, YourFavoriteWeapon said: And she doesn't care about his proven abuse and harassment of women that has been documented since the mid-2000's. She clearly doesn't think rape, misogyny, and pushing someone into an eating disorder (re: Kesha) is a serious issue. This is a false equivalence. 9
professor2000 Posted August 10 Posted August 10 19 hours ago, NumbSoul said: She was probably trying to replicate the magic of the music they used to make together in the past, but he truly flopped on these productions... Both are extremely generic and sound like any and every producer in the world could've made them. Most of his productions are generic though. People are like "…but Doja". Yes, her songs with him are good because of what SHE added to them (melodically, flow, etc). NTK, Say So, Rules, etc…are all generic ass beats That's why I say people give him WAY too much credit. 1 1
professor2000 Posted August 10 Posted August 10 17 hours ago, Mtjjproducer said: Wait what did the dream do??? https://apnews.com/article/dream-gesteeldediamant-lawsuit-sexual-abuse-mangroe-35270f2a60b101c17789576b1e50cfed
YourFavoriteWeapon Posted August 10 Posted August 10 20 minutes ago, Sheep said: This is a false equivalence. How? She's working with a man that sexually and emotionally abused various women. Is it wrong of me to question if she thinks men abusing women is a serious issue? It's very telling that Katy doesn't think men abusing women is something that should be taken seriously. 3 1 1
Sheep Posted August 10 Posted August 10 (edited) 34 minutes ago, YourFavoriteWeapon said: How? She's working with a man that sexually and emotionally abused various women. Is it wrong of me to question if she thinks men abusing women is a serious issue? It's very telling that Katy doesn't think men abusing women is something that should be taken seriously. There is nothing about her work with Luke that indicated this though. Conducting business with somebody who has a criminal record does not make you guilty of their crimes anywhere on Earth. There has not been and will never be any endorsement of his criminal actions, implicit or explicit. We have no idea what was said between the two in private or how she really feels. Maybe she felt like getting him on Woman's World was a way to reclaim power from a woman victimizing predator. Maybe he's a good liar and sincerely convinced her that he's changed. Maybe she's a victim too and felt intimidated into saying nothing, even in the face of the legal proceedings. Maybe none of that happened and it was strictly transactional and she hired him, in poor taste, the way you'd higher a plumber(this is what I'm inclined to believe). We do not and probably will not ever know for sure. What I do know though is Katy Perry supporting the abuse of or sexual violence towards women is truly the most unhinged conclusion to draw here. There is no real, non-circumstantial evidence to support it and some pretty obvious reasons why its the less likely choice(Katy being a woman herself, Katy's public mental health journey which included a lot of reflecting on the way she was treated as a woman in music and how it literally nearly killed her, Katy being a mother to a girl, etc). This theory only works if you start off by assuming the worst and then look for reasons to confirm your baseless suspicions, and people only arrive at this theory because they're pressed stans of former rivals. Who's more likely to have insidious intentions here, the abuser/r****t or Katy Perry? Edited August 10 by Sheep 8
CroNich Posted August 10 Posted August 10 20 hours ago, Sheep said: you actually spilled for once, stop holding women accountable for the crimes of men OT: after the underperformance/bombing of Witness and Smile it actually made a lot of sense to go back to the hitmaker who oversaw her peak, it was an extremely safe choice on paper. The backlash he gets is warranted and I don't believe the lashings Katy got for HIS actions ever made it past stan twitter. The real problem here is that he's stagnated as an artist. His only credits on hits for the past SEVERAL years have been sample-driven and/or novelty hits, pop icon Katy Perry needs more that. Not when it made headline news on multiple big mainstream music and other pop publications and news sites. Also enough of this narrative of blaming the women for the men's actions. We are blaming the women for choosing to side with and work with men that are known to be abusive and rapists towards other women. 2 1 1
ugo Posted August 10 Author Posted August 10 (edited) 2 hours ago, Sheep said: She has not enabled him to commit any acts of sexual violence or otherwise abuse. She hired him to produce songs. This is going in circles. You're either a moron or the worst troll of all time. So I could hire Hitler to produce my songs and it wouldn't be bad because I didn't commit genocide ? Your logic is flawed hope you get help. Edited August 10 by ugo 2 1 1
Sheep Posted August 10 Posted August 10 3 hours ago, CroNich said: Not when it made headline news on multiple big mainstream music and other pop publications and news sites. Also enough of this narrative of blaming the women for the men's actions. We are blaming the women for choosing to side with and work with men that are known to be abusive and rapists towards other women. Siding with and working with are two different things. You're the one pushing a narrative here. 3 hours ago, ugo said: So I could hire Hitler to produce my songs and it wouldn't be bad because I didn't commit genocide ? Your logic is flawed hope you get help. Yeah you're literally busy recycling earlier posts I responded to at this point. Such bizarre behavior
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