base talk Why did Katy hire Dr Luke ?

[makeme]

That's a great question. I'd love to know the thought process she went through. 

 

You have stars like Doja Cat who are actively trying to CUT ties with him. What makes Katy so eager to work with this person? Really makes you wonder 

[BrokenMachine]

23 minutes ago, Kukai said:

Why did Gaga hire Terry Richardson, R Kelly and Richy Jackson?

 

Why did Beyonce hire the Dream?

 

All female popstars have hired men who've been accused of SA. The hate campaign towards Katy is tired 

OP didn't even bring the SA allegations, he just asked why she is hiring a producer that seems to bring nothing new to the table. Don't derail from that point 

[cyberraga]

25 minutes ago, Kukai said:

Why did Gaga hire Terry Richardson, R Kelly and Richy Jackson?

 

Why did Beyonce hire the Dream?

 

All female popstars have hired men who've been accused of SA. The hate campaign towards Katy is tired 

Uhh this is ridiculous considering nobody works with Richardson anymore and there was an apology and removal of DWUW from all platforms. There's a difference between doing something stupid in the past and learning from it vs continuing to do something stupid in the present like Katy with Luke. 

 

also, for the record: Katy has worked with Terry Richardson too. She also worked with P Diddy in 2020 

[Uncatena]

desperation

[Princess Aurora]

Honestly, he did her dirty. I don't understand why she chose him. I was bopping when the Zedd songs came out.

[smartalek22]

flopping has got to her and she wants to win so bad that its rlly just lead her to desperation of throwing whatever worked before in order to try and break back in but it's clearly outdated by now, feel a tiny bit bad for her but she chose this and its gone against her so that's her fault so

[Bosque]

Obviously because she thought he'd give her a hit? Is this really confusing?

 

it would've worked too if he had given her a Dark Horse or Kiss Me More level bop

[NausAllien]

He gave her 99% of her big hits and she was desperate for a hit after two flop eras. 

 

And I don't think she thought there would be that much backlash because a decade had past since Kesha's allegations and he had won a court case against her.

 

[Vroom Vroom]

It seems like she is just doing it for a pay check. She seems extremely checked out and is just making money to keep her life style and support her family. Nothing really wrong with that. She never really had artistic integrity

[Popboi.]

She probably thought "giving the gays what they want" with high budget produced dance pop would give her a big comeback and Luke was her reference cause of her past success.

 

Which couldn't even be further from reality as what's successful now is personality and being relatable, so she very much clowned going back to Luke over a wrong call.

[ChooseyLover]

22 minutes ago, makeme said:

That's a great question. I'd love to know the thought process she went through. 

 

You have stars like Doja Cat who are actively trying to CUT ties with him. What makes Katy so eager to work with this person? Really makes you wonder 

Reading what kats say there are probably two reasons:

 

1) She thought it would be beneficial for her since statistically, it always was. She wasn't failing without him but she probably missed reaching the highs she reached with him.

 

2) if we want to think she's morally consistent, then she probably believes Puke is innocent so she actually didn't compromise anything, even though we think she did.

Edited August 9 by ChooseyLover

[Colmillo]

Since Luke produced all of her hits she thought she would bag more hits if she worked with him again

 

[Totami Legend]

53 minutes ago, Kukai said:

Why did Gaga hire Terry Richardson, R Kelly and Richy Jackson?

 

Why did Beyonce hire the Dream?

 

All female popstars have hired men who've been accused of SA. The hate campaign towards Katy is tired 

beyoncé and travis scott 

 

let's add my fave mariah to the mix shall we 

[Cloudy]

Because the woman is stupid.

[Bhabylon]

42 minutes ago, Sad Beautiful Tragic said:

 

So Charli XCX fans basically

 

Except Charli is innovative which is why her fans like her 

[Apolonio ₃₄]

Desperation. But look how that is turning out. 
 

[YourFavoriteWeapon]

She doesn't think rape is a serious issue it seems. 

[Tiago Gomes]

1 hour ago, Kukai said:

The hate campaign towards Katy is tired

sure grandma

let's go to the bed

[Jacobdaniel]

desperation 

[MasterExpose]

She's out of her mind 

[jeffersonairplanes19]

because she's pathetic

[Stankonia]

Dumb + no morals + desperate

Edited August 9 by Stankonia

[Sannie]

for the same reason she let her hair grow out, dyed it black, and is shaking her boobs on screen lol. she thought she could recreate her past successes.

[ugo]

1 hour ago, Sheep said:

you actually spilled for once, stop holding women accountable for the crimes of men

 

 

OT: after the underperformance/bombing of Witness and Smile it actually made a lot of sense to go back to the hitmaker who oversaw her peak, it was an extremely safe choice on paper. The backlash he gets is warranted and I don't believe the lashings Katy got for HIS actions ever made it past stan twitter. The real problem here is that he's stagnated as an artist. His only credits on hits for the past SEVERAL years have been sample-driven and/or novelty hits, pop icon Katy Perry needs more that.

So if Katy supported trump or hitler it wouldn't matter because she's couldn't be held accountable for their actions ? 

[Sheep]

1 hour ago, ugo said:

So if Katy supported trump or hitler it wouldn't matter because she's couldn't be held accountable for their actions ? 

dr luke isn't a government official and Katy has not "supported" him in the way that a tr*mp or h*tler supporter would, what she's done has nothing to do with his crimes vs fascists who support fascist leaders exclusively BECAUSE of their crimes, this outrage is so performative and this is one of the stupidest things I have ever read on ATRL, the rabid Katy hate just does not stand up to any critical thinking. Y'all are a bunch of pressed, miserable swifties and little monsters who have been frothing at the mouth for a chance to kick this woman while she's down for 10 years at this point. 

 

Was Taylor Swift endorsing abuse by working with Luke's mentor Max on Reputation? Gaga with Stupid Love? Are people who worked with Luke before the lawsuit complicit? Are people who still work with or sign deals with Sony and their artists who funded Luke's smear campaign against Kesha complicit? Katy, Britney, P!nk, Kelly, Miley, Rihanna, Nicki, and his victim Kesha all still profit off of Luke's work which sells tickets to shows and does massive streaming numbers, is that morally wrong if he profits off of the royalties as well? Gaga completely erased a whole hit single from her discography zero questions asked once she knew what her collaborator had done, there's precedent for doing it. Is it wrong that they still use those hits? Are you or any other forum user qualified to be the judge of that, especially in case of Kesha's discography? What about members of the general public who heard about Luke and still stream music he worked on, they're putting even more money in his pocket than Katy did. If we want to play the guilty by association game we can follow this very far and put blood on the hands of the entire recording industry and then some. This industry is full of figures both publicly facing and not who deserve to be in prison but still walk freely.

 

The fact of the matter is that Dr. Luke is a r****t and abuser, Katy Perry is not, her worst crime is being behind the times musically and choosing a producer that nobody likes either as a musician or a person anymore.

 

She hired him to produce songs(that he didn't even do a good job at), she didn't tell him to or empower him to abuse more women, nor endorse his previous criminal actions in any way. It was a misguided business transaction.

Edited August 9 by Sheep