Sawk Posted August 5 Posted August 5 Hate to be that person, but misogyny. She's basically the "equivalent" (I use the term lightly, but I think it works) to The Beatles & MJ as the musical phenomenon of the time. I think we can agree she's not doing the same numbers as they were, but it's pretty hard to do since pure sales are almost non existent. That being said, she's clearly the biggest artist right now and the GP (specially men and pick me's) should give her more respect. 1 9
Edonis Posted August 5 Posted August 5 (edited) Not to pile on in this already messy thread, but during Michael Jackson's reign, you could go to a remote village in a country that doesn't speak English and people there will know who he is and they'll be able to recognize his music. His peak was literally on a completely different level. And I'm not trying to hate, but you could not say the same thing about Taylor Swift. Edited August 5 by Edonis 6
TYMPS Posted August 6 Posted August 6 Real talk- as a POC who knows every taylor swift song, a lot of POC in the US do not know a single Taylor Swift song. You could play TS and Maren Morris and they wouldn't know who is who. There is a large community of people in Taylor Swift's native country who don't know her biggest songs or she is just, like, irrelevant to them... Everybody knew Michael Jackson's songs 4 8
Havoc Posted August 6 Posted August 6 1 minute ago, TYMPS said: Real talk- as a POC who knows every taylor swift song, a lot of POC in the US do not know a single Taylor Swift song. You could play TS and Maren Morris and they wouldn't know who is who. There is a large community of people in Taylor Swift's native country who don't know her biggest songs or she is just, like, irrelevant to them... Everybody knew Michael Jackson's songs This. All of this. 2
Iceland Posted August 6 Posted August 6 She's bigger than the Beatles and MJ combined according to you 1
Sweetness Posted August 6 Posted August 6 Michael Jackson best selling album Thriller, 100 million and Taylor? Michael attendance record, 125,000 and Taylor? Where's the hysteria for this person? Michael didn't just have a huge fanbase but interest from the general public which is why he could pull the numbers he did along with the diversity. 1 2
stevyy Posted August 6 Posted August 6 Only ppl who did not experience Michael Jackson's career in real time, would think that anyone from today would be as popular and famous and impactful as him. He did what he did without any shenanigans too. He was an original. Nothing he did had been done before him because he changed the pop landscape and invented the music industry that we know today. People need to remember that he debuted in 1969/70. He was the #1 child star of his time and the #1 teenager and later adult that the music industry has ever produced. 3 5
TouchinFree Posted August 6 Posted August 6 19 hours ago, Shelter said: Because she isn't. It's that simple. Why do you say that? Taylor caters to all ages and races. Here's a live proof of that: Versatility.....versatility everywhere. 7
Sabrina Carpenter Posted August 6 Posted August 6 i have nothing to add to the discussion but it's hilarious how she's being compared to MJ while Twitter gays are being brave by comparing her to Charlie XCX
Baegalme Posted August 6 Posted August 6 9 hours ago, Sawk said: Hate to be that person, but misogyny. She's basically the "equivalent" (I use the term lightly, but I think it works) to The Beatles & MJ as the musical phenomenon of the time. I think we can agree she's not doing the same numbers as they were, but it's pretty hard to do since pure sales are almost non existent. That being said, she's clearly the biggest artist right now and the GP (specially men and pick me's) should give her more respect. No it's not misogyny and she's clearly not the equivalent of MJ from this point of view because she doesn't have the impact, the influence he had, she isn't as iconic and groundbreaking as he was. She's "just" very commercially successful 9
sweetkiss Posted August 6 Posted August 6 MJ sold more albums, taylor is just in top 10 of best selling artists of all time, MJ is #2 also i think why is it unpopular to say that is because taylor didnt invent anything, MJ invented music video also MJ had every demographic, every continent btw check charts rn its embarassing, MJ is dead and charts higher in more countries than taylor who is alive and has more albums 1
Daddy Posted August 6 Posted August 6 Why would you want your queen to be compared to a literal pedophile? He raped little boys. 3
MattieB Posted August 6 Posted August 6 12 hours ago, Sawk said: Hate to be that person, but misogyny. She's basically the "equivalent" (I use the term lightly, but I think it works) to The Beatles & MJ as the musical phenomenon of the time. I think we can agree she's not doing the same numbers as they were, but it's pretty hard to do since pure sales are almost non existent. That being said, she's clearly the biggest artist right now and the GP (specially men and pick me's) should give her more respect. You do understand mj was battling legit legends on the charts right? And winning? The competition was fierce back then and he still came out on top. Taylor swift has no competitors, she's basically riding solo dolo on the charts, not only that she connives and manipulates the system to get/maintain number ones. Her rise to the top is not organic, mj had multiple people buy his music once, Taylor has her fans scheming to get her to the top no matter what. Her success isn't impressive and I'm tired of yall saying that it is 10
Phaunzie Posted August 6 Posted August 6 (edited) Because culturally she is not, hell Madonna and Michael are still far above her. There is difference between sales and name recognition, those two were known globally without th ease of access of the internet. They were known in areas that were isolated from big cities. Tell me, do you think. people are bopping to Taylor Swift in the Amazon Rainforest. Noo. Unlike Taylor, MJ raced racism, classism and colourism so those screaming misogyny, girl bye. Edited August 6 by Phaunzie 1 7
MattieB Posted August 6 Posted August 6 4 hours ago, Sabrina Carpenter said: i have nothing to add to the discussion but it's hilarious how she's being compared to MJ while Twitter gays are being brave by comparing her to Charlie XCX She's only being compared to mj by her fans. Same thing goes for the beyhive, no one outside of these cults would be dumb enough to utter those words 3
prézli Posted August 6 Posted August 6 On 8/5/2024 at 6:13 AM, Lagerfeld said: cultural impact Where? My mom doesn't even know who Taylor Swift is.
charot Posted August 6 Posted August 6 (edited) 3 hours ago, prézli said: My mom doesn't even know who Taylor Swift is. Same But my mom knows Bey, Adele (she stans them), Gaga, Rihanna... Edited August 6 by charot 2
Wicked Posted August 6 Posted August 6 1 hour ago, Phaunzie said: Unlike Taylor, MJ raced racism, classism and colourism so those screaming misogyny, girl bye. The way they keep bringing up misogyny when this is a Black man is quite comical. White women never had a problem being placed on a pedestal by society lol that's such a bad argument to use 6 1
Sawk Posted August 6 Posted August 6 4 hours ago, Baegalme said: No it's not misogyny and she's clearly not the equivalent of MJ from this point of view because she doesn't have the impact, the influence he had, she isn't as iconic and groundbreaking as he was. She's "just" very commercially successful I never said she did any of those things, keep inserting whatever narrative you want into me, but it was pretty clear I was talking about commercial success. You'd also have to be blinded by your distaste of her to not be able to acknowledge she's negatively perceived because she's the most popular artist right now and she's a woman.
Sawk Posted August 6 Posted August 6 1 hour ago, MattieB said: You do understand mj was battling legit legends on the charts right? And winning? The competition was fierce back then and he still came out on top. Taylor swift has no competitors, she's basically riding solo dolo on the charts, not only that she connives and manipulates the system to get/maintain number ones. Her rise to the top is not organic, mj had multiple people buy his music once, Taylor has her fans scheming to get her to the top no matter what. Her success isn't impressive and I'm tired of yall saying that it is I'm also tired of people discrediting her like you are just cause it used to be more competitive back then. Her accomplishments are impressive, even if they aren't in the same level as MJ's, it sounds like you're kinda mad at her success, not gonna lie. I don't like TTPD nor her attitude towards the music this era, but to deny that what she's done is impressive screams hater. Nowhere did I say she's bigger than MJ, but if we are simply looking at the biggest artists of each respective times, Taylor is the biggest one at the moment, just how MJ was the biggest during his prime. That's all.
mons†er Posted August 6 Posted August 6 16 minutes ago, Sawk said: I never said she did any of those things, keep inserting whatever narrative you want into me, but it was pretty clear I was talking about commercial success. You'd also have to be blinded by your distaste of her to not be able to acknowledge she's negatively perceived because she's the most popular artist right now and she's a woman. No. She's negatively received because of threads like this where people believe she's in the same stratosphere as an Icon. No one is denying Taylor's success, but her success is nothing CLOSE to the impact, success, cultural movement, goals, dancing, innovation or artistry that is and forever will be Michael Jackson. Taylor Swift need to learn how to be comfortable in her success just like she is. I'm pretty sure TS would call you delusional for even thinking this. 2
MattieB Posted August 6 Posted August 6 1 hour ago, Sawk said: I'm also tired of people discrediting her like you are just cause it used to be more competitive back then. Her accomplishments are impressive, even if they aren't in the same level as MJ's, it sounds like you're kinda mad at her success, not gonna lie. I don't like TTPD nor her attitude towards the music this era, but to deny that what she's done is impressive screams hater. Nowhere did I say she's bigger than MJ, but if we are simply looking at the biggest artists of each respective times, Taylor is the biggest one at the moment, just how MJ was the biggest during his prime. That's all. Its a valid ******* argument, if you don't have other artists keeping you on your toes, how do you quantify your legend? What is her success measured up against? She's the only one on top and fortunately for her the others are just as or more mediocre than she is As I said, Taylor's success will never be impressive just based on her scheming and manipulating ways to get to the top. If she simply released her music and left it at that I doubt she's be just as successful as she is now, but just like her fans shes numbers and chart hungry so conning her way to the top is her only bet. Fortunately for her its extremely easy when the level of competition is low and heavily skewed in her favor. How can you be the biggest artist now and virtually unknown in non 1st world countries? 2
Teen Spirit Posted August 6 Posted August 6 23 hours ago, MattieB said: Qwhite interesting I'm not white lol, and even if I was, so?
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