base talk Mariah, Whitney and Céline - bigger albums on Spotify than Madonna, why?

[stevyy]

25 minutes ago, Charmed Life said:

Mariah fans certainly love to exagerate.

 

Solo songs Celebration (71) and Give it 2 Me (57) both cracked the hot 100.  Mariah's highest charting solo songs are Obsessed in 2009, so she's hardly doing any better with new material.

 

I love how certain ATRLers hold Madonna to a higher standard than those who also haven't cracked the hot 100 in years. I guess that's what happens when you're the biggest selling female artist worldwide and a global icon.

 

2009 - #60 - I want to know what Love Is

2010 - #100 - Oh Santa

2014 - #88 - You're Mine 

2015 - #82 - Infinity

 

<3

 

Solo Spotify Streams:

7,1 billion streams - Mariah

5,8 billion streams - Madonna

 

lost streams from collabos:

2,458,536,593 streams - Mariah

2,277,883,911 streams - Madonna

 

I thought all of Mariah's music was her being the hook girl? Popular is making sure that Madonna will grab the title of "relying mostly on collabos" soon. <3

[Chris]

9 hours ago, Charmed Life said:

Mariah fans certainly love to exagerate.

 

Solo songs Celebration (71) and Give it 2 Me (57) both cracked the hot 100.  Mariah's highest charting solo songs are Obsessed in 2009, so she's hardly doing any better with new material.

 

I love how certain ATRLers hold Madonna to a higher standard than those who also haven't cracked the hot 100 in years. I guess that's what happens when you're the biggest selling female artist worldwide and a global icon.

 

Mariah's recent singles in the last several years haven't either cracked the Hot 100 or stayed at the bottom end like Madonna's.

 

[Chris]

Mariah can have AIWFCIY but Madonna cannot have Popular it seems.

 

 

I wonder why.

[Chris]

10 hours ago, Charmed Life said:

I love how certain ATRLers hold Madonna to a higher standard

That's because she is the standard.

 

[stevyy]

what a hit thread this has become. People are thirsty for some cat fighting. 

[stevyy]

3 hours ago, Chris said:

Mariah can have AIWFCIY but Madonna cannot have Popular it seems.

 

 

I wonder why.

Madonna can have all the hits she wants. It is the Madonna people who want to erase AIWFCIY from Mariah's discography - I wonder why... afterall it is a solo song by Mariah which she also wrote. LOL...

 

It's like saying: Like a Prayer don't count. Why? A: because!

[Chris]

August 14:

 

Like a Prayer: 707,261 streams

4 Minutes: 367,918 streams

La Isla Bonita: 312,542 streams

 

[Stuart]

On 8/15/2024 at 6:12 AM, Chris said:

Mariah can have AIWFCIY but Madonna cannot have Popular it seems.

 

 

I wonder why.

Because one is a solo song (see Texas Hold Em, Cuff It, Break My Soul) and the other is a charity collab (Perfect Duet, Mi Gente, Savage)

 

[Chris]

We might as well call AIWFCIY a charity solo song at this point.

 

[Stuart]

2 hours ago, Chris said:

We might as well call AIWFCIY a charity solo song at this point.

 

How is AIWFCIY a charity song ? lol

[Chris]

Did someone just seriously ask how AIWFCIY is not a charity song for Mariah at this point?

 

 

Please think outside the box and use your brain.

 

Come on now.

[Chris]

The same way people assume The Weeknd is salvaging whatever is left of Madonna's musical career is in the same boat of how AIWFCIY is salvaging whatever is left of Mariah's musical career.

 

What's not clicking?

[stevyy]

19 hours ago, Chris said:

The same way people assume The Weeknd is salvaging whatever is left of Madonna's musical career is in the same boat of how AIWFCIY is salvaging whatever is left of Mariah's musical career.

 

What's not clicking?

Mariah's song in HER song.

[stevyy]

19 hours ago, Chris said:

Did someone just seriously ask how AIWFCIY is not a charity song for Mariah at this point?

 

 

Please think outside the box and use your brain.

 

Come on now.

thank you for acknowledging that Mariah Carey owns the biggest song by a female ever. 

[Chris]

So now it's not Madonna's song.

 

 

Some of these fans get worse every single day.

 

 

[stevyy]

56 minutes ago, Chris said:

So now it's not Madonna's song.

 

 

Some of these fans get worse every single day.

 

 

u literally called Mariah's success charity. What a degenerate statement. 

[TaylorsSquad]

The way Mariah's biggest song is a hallmark Christmas jingle  

[Elusive Chanteuse]

Love them all but popular is a weekend song with Madonna added on. If he added Mariah on there it would have also done well. lol 

[stevyy]

14 minutes ago, TaylorsSquad said:

The way Mariah's biggest song is a hallmark Christmas jingle  

what a degenerate thing to say. 

 

So, Madonna's biggest song in a The Weeknd track?

 

At leats Mariah's song went #1 almost everyhwere in the known world aka countries with a music chart.

 

This season The Hallmark jingle has the potential to become the longest running #1 single ever in Germany. It is at 17 weeks already and needs 21 to die the longest running one. 

 

Imagine not having a #1 single in Germany - oh well. 

Edited August 17 by stevyy

[Mandalay]

5 hours ago, TaylorsSquad said:

The way Mariah's biggest song is a hallmark Christmas jingle  

Even you don't believe what you wrote.

[stevyy]

Madonna versus Mariah September 17th

 

01 - 1,082,051 - Popular ---------------- 469,155 - We Belong Together

02 - 661,424 - Like a Prayer ----------- 424,649 - Obsessed

03 - 341,666 - Hung Up --------------- 259,920 - All I want for Christmas Is You

04 - 286,728 - La Isla Bonita ---------- 257,200 - Fantasy

05 - 284,421 - Material Girl ------------ 213,236 - Always be my Baby

06 - 253,715 - 4 Minutes ---------------212,637 - I Know what you Want

07 - 139,715 - Like a Virgin -------------171,352 - Touch my Body

08 - 122,024 - Vogue ------------------158,667 - Bye Bye

09 - 100,665 - LAP Battle Royale ------ 131,953 - Hero

10 - 88,332 - Holiday ------------------ 124,770 - Without You

--

11 - 74,290 - Into The Groove ---------- 98,073 - One Sweet Day

12 - 74,283 - Crazy For You ------------ 87,540 - My All

13 - 69,498 - Frozen Sickick ------------69,577 - Shake It Off

14 - 67,026 - Papa Don't Preach --------69,079 - When you Believe

15 - 47,972 - Frozen --------------------57,455 - Endless Love

16 - 40,677 - Sorry ---------------------54,164 - Heartbreaker

17 - 36,937 - Sorry Blondish ------------46,768 - It's a Wrap

18 - 36,621 - Music ---------------------46,285 - Big Energy Remix

19 - 36,564 - Live To Tell ---------------44,315 - It's Like That

20 - 29,007 - Who's That Girl -----------43,325 - Emotions

--

21 - 28,554 - Take a Bow ---------------42,852 - Honey

22 - 28,339 - Borderline ----------------39,752 - Against All Odds

23 - 27,442 - True Blue -----------------38,276 - Fantasy Remix

24 - 26,873 - Ray of Light ---------------33,601 - I Stay In Love

25 - 26,077 - Me against The Music -----32,459 - Dreamlover

[stevyy]

oops:

 

Mariah Carey's Top Songs on Spotify: daily Revised 

Timeframe: September 25th

01 - 436,872,419 - +551,608 - 2009 - Obsessed
02 - 653,181,456 - +534,428 - 2005 - We Belong Together
03 - 1,820,706,306 - +283,750 - 1994 - All I want for Christmas Is You
04 - 433,318,198 - +285,732 - 1995 - Fantasy
05 - 406,994,956 - +236,827 - 1996 - Always be my Baby
06 - 394,627,355 - +233,825 - 2003 - I Know what you Want
07 - 246,261,004 - +227,546 - 2008 - Touch my Body
08 - 72,611,109 - +201,111 - 2008 - Bye Bye
09 - 267,292,971 - +146,942 - 1994 - Without You
10 - 284,174,504 - +145,444 - 1993 - Hero
--
11 - 202,929,909 - +109,751 - 1995 - One Sweet Day
12 - 137,045,876 - +102,706 - 1998 - My All
13 - 124,720,216 - +80,605 - 2005 - Shake It Off
14 - 164,332,541 - +72,469 - 1998 - When you Believe
15 - 129,753,060 - +64,563 - 1999 - Heartbreaker
16 - 112,144,748 - +60,393 - 1994 - Endless Love
17 - 89,992,310 - +56,029 - 2005 - It's Like That
18 - 108,737,291 - +52,406 - 1991 - Emotions
19 - 67,763,692 - +47,939 - 2009 - It's a Wrap
20 - 126,021,601 - +46,875 - 2022 - Big Energy Remix

[stevyy]

October 9th

 

01 - 1,087,445) - Popular ---------------------- 513,081  - Obsessed

02 - 528,387 - Like a Prayer ------------------ 476,746 - We Belong Together

03 - 292,755 - Material Girl ------------------- 335,024 - All I want for Christmas

04 - 287,287 - La Isla Bonita ------------------ 268,386 - I Know what you Want

05 - 276,630 - 4 Minutes ---------------------- 264,197 - Fantasy

06 - 266,858 - Hung Up ----------------------- 224,881 - Touch my Body

07 - 133,148 - Like a Virgin --------------------- 204,999 - Always be my Baby

08 - 122,050 - Vogue ---------------------------162,616 - Bye Bye

09 - 94,716 - Like a Prayer Battle Royale --------133,802 - Without You

10 - 74,540 - Into the Groove ------------------- 119,631 - Hero

--

11 - 71,791 - Frozen Sickick ----------------------99,169 - One Sweet Day

12 - 68,963 - Crazy For You ---------------------87,759 - My All

13 - 68,433 - Holiday --------------------------- 69,844 - When you Believe

14 - 65,781 - Papa Don't Preach ---------------- 61,141 - Shake It Off

15 - 47,459 - Frozen ----------------------------56,008 - Endless Love

16 - 42,128 - Sorry Blondish --------------------53,281 - Heartbreaker

17 - 41,672 - Sorry ----------------------------- 48,324 - It's Like That

18 - 35,523 - Live to Tell ----------------------- 46,159 - It's a Wrap

19 - 35,435 - True Blue -------------------------45,618 - Emotions

20 - 33,833 - Borderline ------------------------44,968 - Yes, And? Remix

 

 

[stevyy]

November 21st: Madonna versus Mariah (only original Xmas songs allowed)

 

 

01 - 874,274 - Popular --------------------------- 3,682,367 - 1994 - All I want for Christmas Is You

02 - 530,586 - Like a Prayer ---------------------- 596,436 - 2009 - Obsessed

03 - 417,846 - La Isla Bonita ---------------------- 484,072 - 2005 - We Belong Together

04 - 289,292 - Material Girl -----------------------247,269 - 1995 - Fantasy

05 - 277,464 - 4 Minutes ------------------------- 233,829 - 2003 - I Know what you Want

06 - 272,367 - Hung Up -------------------------- 195,031 - 1996 - Always be my Baby

07 - 147,540 - Vogue ------------------------------190,798 - 2020 - Oh Santa Remix

08 - 126,215 - Like a Virgin ------------------------185,352 - 2008 - Touch my Body

09 - 93,843 - Like a Prayer (Battle Royale) --------138,734 - 1994 - Without You

10 - 75,918 - Into The Groove ---------------------129,726 - 1993 - Hero

--

11 - 69,958 - Frozen Sickick -----------------------114,853 - 2011 - All I want for Christmas Is You (Super Festive)

12 - 66,340 - Crazy For You -----------------------112,709 - 2008 - Bye Bye

13 - 63,272 - Holiday ------------------------------105,164 - 1998 - My All

14 - 63,260 - Papa Don't Preach ------------------105,098 - 1995 - One Sweet Day

15 - 56,140 - Frozen -------------------------------- 77,958 - 1998 - When you Believe

16 - 42,971 - Sorry ----------------------------------68,180 - 2005 - Shake It Off

17 - 37,886 - Sorry Blondish ------------------------ 56,001 - 1994 - Endless Love

18 - 37,436 - The Power of Good bye ---------------54,408 - 1999 - Heartbreaker

19 - 34,735 - Live to Tell ----------------------------47,868 - 2005 - It's Like That

20 - 30,612 - Music --------------------------------45,578 - 1991 - Emotions

--

21 - 29,326 - Open your Heart --------------------- 43,255 - 2009 - It's a Wrap

22 - 28,103 - Take a Bow ---------------------------41,586 - 2010 - Oh Santa

23 - 27,992 - Borderline ----------------------------41,521 - 2022 - Big Energy Remix

24 - 26,774 - True Blue -----------------------------40,321 - 2000 - Against All Odds

25 - 26,763 - Ray of Light ---------------------------38,216 - 1995 - Fantasy (Remix)

26 - 24,944 - Me against The Music ----------------37,967 - 1997 - Honey

27 - 21,992 - Back That Up to The Beat -------------34,791 - 2013 - #Beautiful

28 - 21,114 - B!tch, I'm Madonna --------------------31,233 - 1993 - Dreamlover

29 - 20,992 - Don't Tell Me -------------------------30,189 - 2008 - I Stay In Love

30 - 20,674 - Express yourself ----------------------27,946 - 1990 - Love Takes Time

 

Taken off:

586,604 - 1994 - Christmas (Baby Please Come Home)

154,008 - 1994 - Santa Claus Is Coming To Town

151,310 - 1994 - O Holy Night

76,876 - 1994 - Silent Night

31,093 - 1994 - Joy To The World

28,588 - 1994 - Hark! The Herald Angels Sing

 

Madonna versus Mariah without any xmas songs.

 

01 - 874,274 - Popular --------------------------- 596,436 - 2009 - Obsessed

02 - 530,586 - Like a Prayer --------------------- 484,072 - 2005 - We Belong Together

03 - 417,846 - La Isla Bonita ----------------------247,269 - 1995 - Fantasy

04 - 289,292 - Material Girl -----------------------233,829 - 2003 - I Know what you Want

05 - 277,464 - 4 Minutes ------------------------- 195,031 - 1996 - Always be my Baby

06 - 272,367 - Hung Up -------------------------- 185,352 - 2008 - Touch my Body

07 - 147,540 - Vogue ------------------------------138,734 - 1994 - Without You

08 - 126,215 - Like a Virgin ------------------------129,726 - 1993 - Hero

09 - 93,843 - Like a Prayer (Battle Royale) --------112,709 - 2008 - Bye Bye

10 - 75,918 - Into The Groove ---------------------105,164 - 1998 - My All

--

11 - 69,958 - Frozen Sickick -----------------------105,098 - 1995 - One Sweet Day

12 - 66,340 - Crazy For You -----------------------77,958 - 1998 - When you Believe

13 - 63,272 - Holiday ------------------------------68,180 - 2005 - Shake It Off

14 - 63,260 - Papa Don't Preach ------------------56,001 - 1994 - Endless Love

15 - 56,140 - Frozen -------------------------------54,408 - 1999 - Heartbreaker

16 - 42,971 - Sorry --------------------------------47,868 - 2005 - It's Like That

17 - 37,886 - Sorry Blondish ---------------------- 45,578 - 1991 - Emotions

18 - 37,436 - The Power of Good bye -------------43,255 - 2009 - It's a Wrap

19 - 34,735 - Live to Tell --------------------------41,521 - 2022 - Big Energy Remix

20 - 30,612 - Music -------------------------------40,321 - 2000 - Against All Odds

--

21 - 29,326 - Open your Heart --------------------- 38,216 - 1995 - Fantasy (Remix)

22 - 28,103 - Take a Bow ---------------------------37,967 - 1997 - Honey

23 - 27,992 - Borderline ----------------------------34,791 - 2013 - #Beautiful

24 - 26,774 - True Blue -----------------------------31,233 - 1993 - Dreamlover

25 - 26,763 - Ray of Light ---------------------------30,189 - 2008 - I Stay In Love

26 - 24,944 - Me against The Music ----------------27,946 - 1990 - Love Takes Time

27 - 21,992 - Back That Up to The Beat -------------27,865 - 2009 - I Want To Know What Love Is

28 - 21,114 - B!tch, I'm Madonna --------------------27,198 - 1992 - I'll Be There

29 - 20,992 - Don't Tell Me -------------------------27,150 - 1999 - Thank God I Found You

30 - 20,674 - Express yourself ----------------------24,723 - 1990 - Vision Of Love

 

Madonna versus Mariah, but it's only solo songs. (and non-xmas)

 

01 - 530,586 - Like a Prayer -------------------- 596,436 - 2009 - Obsessed

02 - 417,846 - La Isla Bonita --------------------484,072 - 2005 - We Belong Together

03 - 289,292 - Material Girl -------------------- 247,269 - 1995 - Fantasy

04 - 272,367 - Hung Up ------------------------195,031 - 1996 - Always be my Baby

05 - 147,540 - Vogue ---------------------------185,352 - 2008 - Touch my Body

06 - 126,215 - Like a Virgin ---------------------138,734 - 1994 - Without You

07 - 93,843 - Like a Prayer (Battle Royale) -----129,726 - 1993 - Hero

08 - 75,918 - Into The Groove ------------------112,709 - 2008 - Bye Bye

09 - 66,340 - Crazy For You -------------------105,164 - 1998 - My All

10 - 63,272 - Holiday ---------------------------68,180 - 2005 - Shake It Off

--

11 - 63,260 - Papa Don't Preach ----------------47,868 - 2005 - It's Like That

12 - 56,140 - Frozen ----------------------------45,578 - 1991 - Emotions

13 - 42,971 - Sorry ----------------------------- 43,255 - 2009 - It's a Wrap

14 - 37,886 - Sorry Blondish --------------------37,967 - 1997 - Honey

15 - 37,436 - The Power of Good bye -----------31,233 - 1993 - Dreamlover

16 - 34,735 - Live to Tell ------------------------30,189 - 2008 - I Stay In Love

17 - 30,612 - Music -----------------------------27,946 - 1990 - Love Takes Time

18 - 29,326 - Open your Heart ----------------- 27,865 - 2009 - I Want To Know What Love Is

19 - 28,103 - Take a Bow -----------------------24,723 - 1990 - Vision Of Love

20 - 27,992 - Borderline -----------------------24,576 - 2005 - Don't Forget About Us

 

Solo songs Totals, but Xmas has been excluded:

 

6,1 billion - 3,1 million daily - Madonna

5,0 billion - 2,8 million daily - Mariah Carey

 

 

 

[stevyy]

Year To Date Spotify top 20 for both: (Dec/24)

 

01 - 573,635,532 - Popular ---------------------------- 331,079,831 - AIWFCIY
02 - 147,829,271 - Like a Prayer ----------------------- 153,489,995 - Obsessed
03 - 114,315,609 - La Isla Bonita ----------------------- 148,158,703 - We Belong Together
04 - 110,896,279 - Hung Up --------------------------- 101,722,774 - Fantasy
05 - 104,829,417 - Material Girl -------------------------79,994,867 - I Know what you Want
06 - 98,263,996 - 4 Minutes --------------------------- 65,882,331 - Always be my Baby
07 - 70,549,884 - Like a Prayer (Choir) -----------------62,946,595 - Touch my Body
08 - 55,441,286 - Like a Virgin --------------------------57,309,057 - Christmas (Baby Please Come Home)
09 - 50,910,833 - Vogue --------------------------------43,741,163 - Without You
10 - 30,920,890 - Crazy For You ------------------------40,363,459 - Hero
--
11 - 29,807,679 - Frozen (Sickick) -----------------------34,014,069 - One Sweet Day
12 - 28,521,518 - Into The Groove -----------------------31,294,999 - Yes and Remix
13 - 27,922,984 - Holiday -------------------------------30,154,386 - My All
14 - 27,129,883 - Papa Don't Preach ---------------------27,778,198 - Bye Bye
15 - 17,602,068 - Sorry ----------------------------------24,488,105 - When you Believe
16 - 17,587,509 - Frozen ---------------------------------22,926,191 - Shake It off
17 - 17,432,274 - Sorry (Blondish) -----------------------19,772,725 - Oh Santa Remix
18 - 14,700,758 - Live to Tell -----------------------------19,709,683 - Endless Love
19 - 13,550,922 - Like a Prayer (Battle Royale) ---------- 19,440,491 - Big Energy Remix
20 - 13,436,290 - Music -------------------------------- 18,094,003 - Heartbreaker

= 1,565,354,882 ---------------------------------------- 1,332,361,625

 

1 more week to go. 

 

Resumé: Madonna has a great year. Mariah's Christmas got a lot of streams in, but can Christmas decimate Madonna's lead? Madonna still leads by around 150 million overall. Madonna has surpassed 1,95 billion streams while Mariah is sitting at 1,79 billion.