thirdward Posted July 13 Posted July 13 i think bc of the "label puppet" narrative even if her overall sales are bigger and how many Rihanna demos bey sings ppl can't accept that they are peers at the same level like it hurts them for some reason
PoisonedIvy Posted July 13 Author Posted July 13 (edited) 1 minute ago, Johnny Jacobs said: OT: Dumbest thread in a while sis. You can do better than that. You can make Taylor shine and not on the back of other artists. Actually I'm giving the spotlight to Bey even more than Taylor here And yeah my other threads were more entertaining but this one definitely gets the people going. Plus I actually put a modicum of thought into the theory so it's at least worth putting out there; even if everyone disagrees, at least I sparked the conversation. my opinions are nuanced and I don't mean to dismiss the artistry of anyone, nor am I demeaning the other 3 girls in the title. I just think their recession pop eras dated their catalogues a bit and hindered some of their longevity. Edited July 13 by PoisonedIvy
SweetOreosOfHeaven Posted July 13 Posted July 13 1 minute ago, PoisonedIvy said: I'm biased as a fan but Taylor's deep cuts prove artistic evolution is continuing.. The Prophecy, Chloe et al, I Hate It Here, Guilty as Sin, and a handful of others from TTPD/Anthology are literal career highlights with some of the best melodies, instrumentation, and lyrics of her entire career.. I don't really let the 5 "mediocre" songs offset the 25? great/good ones, unlike most others. It's not that she has progressed as an artist, just her fans that have progressed in their delusion. 3 9 3
Harsh2256 Posted July 13 Posted July 13 Rih without releasing an album in 8 years is still top 10 most streamed female singers consistently. So not her.
PoisonedIvy Posted July 13 Author Posted July 13 1 minute ago, SweetOreosOfHeaven said: It's not that she has progressed as an artist, just her fans that have progressed in their delusion. Well this clearly isn't a good faith argument so have a good day! 4
Airelinn Posted July 13 Posted July 13 Is everyone forgetting sasha fierce existence? How wasn't that album a "recessionpop" album or whatever you wanna call it 6
SweetOreosOfHeaven Posted July 13 Posted July 13 (edited) 2 minutes ago, PoisonedIvy said: Well this clearly isn't a good faith argument so have a good day! Neither is claiming some have outlasted others who are still very much a strong presence in the industry. How can you outlast something that is still going on? Makes 0 sense. Edited July 13 by SweetOreosOfHeaven 1
OnlyManInTheWorld Posted July 13 Posted July 13 Rihanna released too many legendary songs to be „dethroned". They'll keep carrying her for the next 50 years.
Jay07 Posted July 13 Posted July 13 I don't think there's any correlation and I don't think Gaga is over at all, she may have another resurgence with the next album (if not a blockbuster era commercially, very acclaimed critically if she leans into her strengths of songwriting and world building). The issue with Katy (and to a certain extent Gaga during Chromatica) is they didn't have a clear idea of who they are and what they want to do. Katy has been completely lost after Witness flopped trying to recapture old glories and Gaga tried to do some dance pop because she thought that's what the fans wanted but her heart wasn't in it. Rihanna has since moved to selling makeup and panties so I have no clue why she is in this discussion. 1
WildHeart Posted July 13 Posted July 13 (edited) 33 minutes ago, SweetOreosOfHeaven said: It's not that she has progressed as an artist, just her fans that have progressed in their delusion. 7 Taylor albums from last 5 years received more acclaim than any of Gaga's musical outputs from the last 10 years, time to sit down Edited July 13 by WildHeart 3
PoisonedIvy Posted July 13 Author Posted July 13 2 minutes ago, SweetOreosOfHeaven said: Neither is claiming some have outlasted others who are still very much a strong presence in the industry. How can you outlast something that is still going on? Makes 0 sense. My title is mostly just clickbait to get people to enter the thread, but my argument is in good faith. I think Gaga (and Rih) have done a great job either maintaining or rebuilding their legacy, and that's undeniable. My assertion is that Beyonce and Taylor never had to "prove themselves" or their longevity because they've essentially only had an upward trajectory in their careers (for the most part). Even when they had a slump that was either commercial (Bey with Lemonade) or critical (Taylor with Lover), they always made up for it in other departments (the Formation World Tour / folklore-evermore following up Lover quickly + Eras Tour Cruel Summer resurgence). It's a little hard to explain but my only argument is that Taylor and Bey's longevity has lasted longer and maintained a higher status than that of Rih/Gaga/Katy, not that RGK are "over." I'm not an 18 year old stan on twitter; I don't need to pretend the success of these women can be diminished or erased. I can however observe it from an analytical lens and present a theory that others are free to agree or disagree with a 3
PoisonedIvy Posted July 13 Author Posted July 13 3 minutes ago, Jay07 said: I don't think there's any correlation and I don't think Gaga is over at all, she may have another resurgence with the next album (if not a blockbuster era commercially, very acclaimed critically if she leans into her strengths of songwriting and world building). The issue with Katy (and to a certain extent Gaga during Chromatica) is they didn't have a clear idea of who they are and what they want to do. Katy has been completely lost after Witness flopped trying to recapture old glories and Gaga tried to do some dance pop because she thought that's what the fans wanted but her heart wasn't in it. Rihanna has since moved to selling makeup and panties so I have no clue why she is in this discussion. Let me clarify — I am not claiming Rih Gaga or Katy are "over," that's such a ridiculous thing to claim. Just that the level of their success in relation to the lengths of their careers has not kept up with the ratio of Beyonce and Taylor. It's fair to state that Bey and Tay are bigger artists than Gaga, Katy, and Rih in the long run, despite debuting before or right around each of them and even falling "behind" them during the recession pop eras. 2
DawnAnti Posted July 13 Posted July 13 Tih is outdoing beyonce with no album out since forever so let's not go there
DawnAnti Posted July 13 Posted July 13 Rih is outdoing beyonce with no album out since forever so let's not go there 3
DawnAnti Posted July 13 Posted July 13 Rih is outdoing beyonce with no album out since forever so let's not go there
DawnAnti Posted July 13 Posted July 13 Rih is outdoing beyonce with no album out since forever so let's not go there
KatyPrismSpirit Posted July 13 Posted July 13 1 minute ago, DawnAnti said: Tih is outdoing beyonce with no album out since forever so let's not go there 1 minute ago, DawnAnti said: Rih is outdoing beyonce with no album out since forever so let's not go there Just now, DawnAnti said: Rih is outdoing beyonce with no album out since forever so let's not go there Just now, DawnAnti said: Rih is outdoing beyonce with no album out since forever so let's not go there could you explain that for me again pls
DawnAnti Posted July 13 Posted July 13 1 minute ago, KatyPrismSpirit said: could you explain that for me again pls Help i think the website is lagging but i stand with each one of them
Sabrina Carpenter Posted July 13 Posted July 13 it's not "counting out" Gaga when she's been out since 2012 1 8
FENTY. Posted July 13 Posted July 13 This ex Rihanna fan has been annoying for a while just because she's not entertaining anymore lol "All Rihanna has streams" girl what the hell is she suppose to have since 2016. She's as relevant as ever and an A++ celebrity. No one outlasted her, not when she has the most classics out of everyone you listed. And yeah her multi billionaire empires will keep her in everyone's minds for decades to come. Others will just have nostalgia 1
Doogle Posted July 13 Posted July 13 This is a setup to get the Cowboy Carter singer dragged I fear Shes back in her flop era
PoisonedIvy Posted July 13 Author Posted July 13 2 minutes ago, FENTY. said: This ex Rihanna fan has been annoying for a while just because she's not entertaining anymore lol "All Rihanna has streams" girl what the hell is she suppose to have since 2016. She's as relevant as ever and an A++ celebrity. No one outlasted her, not when she has the most classics out of everyone you listed. And yeah her multi billionaire empires will keep her in everyone's minds for decades to come. Others will just have nostalgia Rih was always the least impressive (stat wise) of the MPG's though. She literally only had single success — whether via digital sales or streams. I love her catalogue still, but she can't move albums or tour like Bey, Taylor, Adele, and yes even Gaga. It's just the fact of the matter.. 1
AllyGayTor Posted July 13 Posted July 13 Gaga and Rihanna are building a respectable legacy outside of the music industry, not sure what Katy's doing. 2
Post Malone Posted July 13 Posted July 13 Rihanna is still the 2nd biggest female without even anythinging for years now bfr 1
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