PoisonedIvy Posted July 13 Posted July 13 As we have seen in the cultural lexicon recently, the years 2008 through circa 2013 were filled to the brim with "recession pop" — maximalist pop bangers about how we never need to stop dancing, partying, and finding love until the sun comes up or the world ends, whichever came first. Bey and Tay chose to use those years to instead explore the less commercially accessible offerings of 4 and Speak Now. At the time, those 2 albums paled in comparison to Teenage Dream, The Fame Monster, Loud, and in terms of singles, even Ke$ha, P!nk, and at times, Britney Spears, were doing better. Fast forward to the present and it's clear that Bey and Taylor have a commercial pull the other girls can't draw anymore, evidenced by their album openings and their blockbuster tour grosses. My theory is that, because they never cheapened their brands with recession pop (mindless club bangers), they reaped the longterm benefits and their discographies aged better in the long run. A double win. Thoughts? (& prayers?) 4 1 4 8 37
Popular Post FolkLover1989 Posted July 13 Popular Post Posted July 13 Outlasted Rihanna? Bey? Lol Bey wishes to outlast Rihanna. Rihanna doesn't even need to release anything to be above Bey. The media can only help so much. It's clear GP chose Tay , Rihanna and Adele 17 18 9 19
Popular Post SweetOreosOfHeaven Posted July 13 Popular Post Posted July 13 (edited) Shut up. Gaga is very much still here and just yesterday she oustreamed Beyoncé on spotify who has released more music this year than Gaga the entire decade. It's pretty ironic to talk about "cheapening brands" when Taylor just released her worst most bland album and is out there selling it bundled with her pubes. Edited July 13 by SweetOreosOfHeaven 45 13 35 11
futuresuperstar2023 Posted July 13 Posted July 13 2 hours ago, FolkLover1989 said: Outlasted Rihanna? Bey? Lol Bey wishes to outlast Rihanna. Rihanna doesn't even need to release anything to be above Bey. The media can only help so much. It's clear GP chose Tay , Rihanna and Adele Rihanna is above Beyonce in sales and that's it. Mind you Bey beats at album sales. I don't hate Rihanna but people have to stop using her to go against Beyonce. Beyonce not having 14 number 1 songs but still selling out tours while Rih didn't is proof of that. Bey will always be more respected. 2 1 1
futuresuperstar2023 Posted July 13 Posted July 13 2 hours ago, SweetOreosOfHeaven said: Shut up. Gaga is very much still here and just yesterday she oustreamed Beyoncé on spotify who has released more music this year than Gaga the entire decade. um I love gaga but she is not on Beyonce level at all. A star is born literally saved Lady Gaga career. Art pop and Joanne was a flop for Lady gaga standards. Beyonce didn't under-perform sale wise until 4 and even that sold well in the long run. 4 1 3 19
TheHanyo Posted July 13 Posted July 13 2 minutes ago, futuresuperstar2023 said: Rihanna is above Beyonce in sales and that's it. Mind you Bey beats at album sales. I don't hate Rihanna but people have to stop using her to go against Beyonce. Beyonce not having 14 number 1 songs but still selling out tours while Rih didn't is proof of that. Bey will always be more respected. It's simple: Beyoncé is the better performer, but Rihanna has the stronger catalogue/way more hits. 1 1
Popular Post itshyolee Posted July 13 Popular Post Posted July 13 Why is Rihanna being grouped in when she hasn't released an album in 8 years but is still being heavily streamed? 19 4
Minto Posted July 13 Posted July 13 (edited) rihanna shouldn't even be in this discussion and gar didn't even want to make something as horrible as chromatica either. katy is the only one devoid of any artistic progression here. Edited July 13 by Minto 6
Popular Post SweetOreosOfHeaven Posted July 13 Popular Post Posted July 13 (edited) 3 minutes ago, futuresuperstar2023 said: um I love gaga but she is not on Beyonce level at all. A star is born literally saved Lady Gaga career. Art pop and Joanne was a flop for Lady gaga standards. Beyonce didn't under-perform sale wise until 4 and even that sold well in the long run. Her latest releases beg to differ. Chromatica held up much much better than Cowboy Carter. Just check the streaming numbers for proof. A Star Is Born didn't save her, the fact that she's a great actress, songwriter (unlike others) and singer, did. Edited July 13 by SweetOreosOfHeaven 18 4 1
futuresuperstar2023 Posted July 13 Posted July 13 2 hours ago, TheHanyo said: It's simple: Beyoncé is the better performer, but Rihanna has the stronger catalogue/way more hits. Rihanna has more hits but she does not have the better discography. Rihanna makes more pop music than Bey and that's more of your lane which is fine but her album are mostly full of fillers except Anti and Maybe RR. 1 1 4 1
futuresuperstar2023 Posted July 13 Posted July 13 2 hours ago, SweetOreosOfHeaven said: Her latest releases beg to differ. Chromatica held up much much better than Cowboy Carter. A Star Is Born didn't save her, the fact that she's a great actress (unlike others), did. Chromatica didn't hold up much better than Ren lmao 4 2
Popular Post Virgos Groove Posted July 13 Popular Post Posted July 13 (edited) Rihanna hasn't released since the Obama administration and still has one of the most streamed catalogues in pop. This thread is so dumb. Edited July 13 by Virgos Groove 24 4
PoisonedIvy Posted July 13 Author Posted July 13 1 minute ago, Kanes said: Is "recession pop" gonna be the new atrl pop-term? It's been a term since like 2015
futuresuperstar2023 Posted July 13 Posted July 13 Rihanna music is still getting streams so I can't say she was dethroned. Bey been in the industry longer and her queen status is still here. 2
jesus del rey Posted July 13 Posted July 13 1 minute ago, Kanes said: Is "recession pop" gonna be the new atrl pop-term? No its gonna be "brain rot" to explain some of the new threads 2
Burn Posted July 13 Posted July 13 You're counting Gaga and Rihanna out too soon. Let's reserve judgement until we see how both of their next eras perform. 1
abelfenty Posted July 13 Posted July 13 Rihanna was the 24th most streamed artist on Spotify yesterday, Beyoncé was the 58th. Only one of them last released an album in January 2016, the other released just a few months ago 6
PoisonedIvy Posted July 13 Author Posted July 13 (edited) 1 minute ago, Virgos Groove said: Rihanna hasn't released since the Obama administration and still has one of the most streamed catalogues in pop. This thread is so dumb. Streams are all Rih has rn, and until she comes back and proves otherwise, Taylor and Beyonce have done more than enough to prove that they are the biggest female artists of the last 20 years. No one (bar Adele for Bey I guess? We'll see) can outdebut their albums or pull bigger numbers on tour. Edited July 13 by PoisonedIvy 1 2 1 1
Spicy Pisces Posted July 13 Posted July 13 9 minutes ago, PoisonedIvy said: cheapened their brands with recession pop (mindless club bangers) idk but cheapening one's brand to me is not about "mindless club bangers" but more about lack of progression in terms of artistry- to which Taylor seems to be in a recession of her own in sound and lyrics like the tattooed golden retriever, touch me while your bros play grand theft auto, etc. There's nothing wrong with club bangers if the execution is good. 5 6 4
futuresuperstar2023 Posted July 13 Posted July 13 2 hours ago, abelfenty said: Rihanna was the 24th most streamed artist on Spotify yesterday, Beyoncé was the 58th. Only one of them last released an album in January 2016, the other released just a few months ago Look I don't care how much Rihanna is getting streamed she still is going to be number 2 next to Beyonce. Rihanna has done well for herself and I'm proud of her success but let's not disrespect Beyonce 1 1
Johnny Jacobs Posted July 13 Posted July 13 14 minutes ago, Virgos Groove said: Rihanna hasn't released since the Obama administration and still has one of the most streamed catalogues in pop. This thread is so dumb. OT: Dumbest thread in a while sis. You can do better than that. You can make Taylor shine and not on the back of other artists.
SweetOreosOfHeaven Posted July 13 Posted July 13 17 minutes ago, futuresuperstar2023 said: Chromatica didn't hold up much better than Ren lmao Very telling that you forgot Cowboy Carter 2 11
PoisonedIvy Posted July 13 Author Posted July 13 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Spicy Pisces said: idk but cheapening one's brand to me is not about "mindless club bangers" but more about lack of progression in terms of artistry- to which Taylor seems to be in a recession of her own in sound and lyrics like the tattooed golden retriever, touch me while your bros play grand theft auto, etc. There's nothing wrong with club bangers if the execution is good. I'm biased as a fan but Taylor's deep cuts prove artistic evolution is continuing.. The Prophecy, Chloe et al, I Hate It Here, Guilty as Sin, and a handful of others from TTPD/Anthology are literal career highlights with some of the best melodies, instrumentation, and lyrics of her entire career.. I don't really let the 5 "mediocre" songs offset the 25? great/good ones, unlike most others. Edited July 13 by PoisonedIvy 5 1
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