charts discussion Spotify Day 7: Woman's World, N/A Global, N/A US, N/A Norway

[Bloodflowers.]

37 minutes ago, KillingYourCareer said:

GREAT news, yet another wake up call for Katy that the world doesn't want this type of stuff from her  let's start working on the rock album now!

 

I just requested A Cup of Coffee last night at a friend's 2000s pop rock party  Katy's best song 

 

[Bends]

I just got this flashback from CTTR thread.

 

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Can admins delete my account? I don't wanna be on here anymore. Katy, first of all, you're a ****ing dumbass. What the **** were you thinking putting this Starboy type of trash out? We were waiting for you ***** and we were rooting for you. YOU LET US DOWN. This isn't first single material, this is some Japanese bonus track ****. Now we will have to go through all the lashings from everyone that wants to see you fail. I'm not even going to defend you, *****. Good looking getting those sales.

 

[Into The Void]

Is 2.26m really that bad?  I was expecting 1.5m at most

[SweetOreosOfHeaven]

18 minutes ago, Enrique523 said:

Has there EVER been a bigger f*ck up by a big pop star in the history of pop music for a comeback single? I'm genuinely baffled at the whole thing, what an absolute DISASTER 

 

Seriously guys, think about it: Katy had developed SO MUCH goodwill over the years, she was getting so many positive viral tweets, there was a real sense of nostalgia for her past work, Teenage Dream is particular was getting really strong streaming numbers. People were truly ROOTING for her to have a comeback.

 

And what did she decide to do? She voluntarily went back to L*ke when she could've worked with literally anyone else and decided to release an absolutely atrocious song that sound like a literal parody of what people think a "Katy Perry" song sounds like. She entirely brought this on herself when she had a unique chance to have a true commercial comeback after been the butt of the joke for so long. She just needed the right song and the right producer. Instead she did... this.

 

I still can't believe this is all actually happening, it feels like a fever dream. How can you POSSIBLY mess up a comeback like that when all the stars were so perfectly aligned? 

I feel the exactly the same way. This is the most horrendous comeback attempt I have witnessed or heard about. It almost feels intentionally set up to fail.

[Thesedays]

20 minutes ago, Enrique523 said:

Has there EVER been a bigger f*ck up by a big pop star in the history of pop music for a comeback single? I'm genuinely baffled at the whole thing, what an absolute DISASTER 

 

Seriously guys, think about it: Katy had developed SO MUCH goodwill over the years, she was getting so many positive viral tweets, there was a real sense of nostalgia for her past work, Teenage Dream is particular was getting really strong streaming numbers. People were truly ROOTING for her to have a comeback.

 

And what did she decide to do? She voluntarily went back to L*ke when she could've worked with literally anyone else and decided to release an absolutely atrocious song that sound like a literal parody of what people think a "Katy Perry" song sounds like. She entirely brought this on herself when she had a unique chance to have a true commercial comeback after been the butt of the joke for so long. She just needed the right song and the right producer. Instead she did... this.

 

I still can't believe this is all actually happening, it feels like a fever dream. How can you POSSIBLY mess up a comeback like that when all the stars were so perfectly aligned? 

I don't think she ever truly had a chance because Twitter vitality and old hits doing OK numbers don't really mean ****.
 

In the real world, outside of Stan Twitter, there was literally zero appetite for new Katy Perry and she is completely outdated and uncool for the average music consumer.

 

With that said, yes, she decided to bomb in the most embarrassing possible way lol

Edited July 13 by Thesedays

[Truth Teller]

30 minutes ago, Enrique523 said:

Has there EVER been a bigger f*ck up by a big pop star in the history of pop music for a comeback single? I'm genuinely baffled at the whole thing, what an absolute DISASTER 

 

Seriously guys, think about it: Katy had developed SO MUCH goodwill over the years, she was getting so many positive viral tweets, there was a real sense of nostalgia for her past work, Teenage Dream is particular was getting really strong streaming numbers. People were truly ROOTING for her to have a comeback.

 

And what did she decide to do? She voluntarily went back to L*ke when she could've worked with literally anyone else and decided to release an absolutely atrocious song that sound like a literal parody of what people think a "Katy Perry" song sounds like. She entirely brought this on herself when she had a unique chance to have a true commercial comeback after been the butt of the joke for so long. She just needed the right song and the right producer. Instead she did... this.

 

I still can't believe this is all actually happening, it feels like a fever dream. How can you POSSIBLY mess up a comeback like that when all the stars were so perfectly aligned? 

I feel like this goodwill is kind of artificial though. Nelly Furtado has also been building a similar goodwill for the last few years, with Loose getting massive streams, TikTok reviving multiple singles, new mash-ups (Motive) going viral, festivals, collabs. And yet no one checked out her lead.

 

There's obviously a big difference in status between Katy and Nelly F., but I'm just saying... a lead single produced by Max or Kid Harpoon or Ian Kirkpatrick or whatever was not guaranteed to debut with 4M streams because of Twitter missing her and her 2010 singles getting good Spotify streams.

[Broken]

 

 

 

 

[drivers license]

22 minutes ago, Enrique523 said:

Has there EVER been a bigger f*ck up by a big pop star in the history of pop music for a comeback single? I'm genuinely baffled at the whole thing, what an absolute DISASTER 

 

Seriously guys, think about it: Katy had developed SO MUCH goodwill over the years, she was getting so many positive viral tweets, there was a real sense of nostalgia for her past work, Teenage Dream is particular was getting really strong streaming numbers. People were truly ROOTING for her to have a comeback.

 

And what did she decide to do? She voluntarily went back to L*ke when she could've worked with literally anyone else and decided to release an absolutely atrocious song that sound like a literal parody of what people think a "Katy Perry" song sounds like. She entirely brought this on herself when she had a unique chance to have a true commercial comeback after been the butt of the joke for so long. She just needed the right song and the right producer. Instead she did... this.

 

I still can't believe this is all actually happening, it feels like a fever dream. How can you POSSIBLY mess up a comeback like that when all the stars were so perfectly aligned? 

once every few years, there's always been that one comeback. she had the chance to be that one, and she blew it.

you're right, she brought this on herself. an actual fumble.

i also blame the yes people around her.

could they still demote this to "buzz single" when single cd's and vinyl are already being shipped?

 

[Thesedays]

2 minutes ago, Truth Teller said:

I feel like this goodwill is kind of artificial though. Nelly Furtado has also been building a similar goodwill for the last few years, with Loose getting massive streams, TikTok reviving multiple singles, new mash-ups (Motive) going viral, festivals, collabs. And yet no one checked out her lead.

 

There's obviously a big difference in hype/status between Katy and Nelly F., but I'm just saying... a lead single produced by Max or Kid Harpoon or Ian Kirkpatrick or whatever was not guaranteed to debut with 4M streams because of Twitter missing her and her 2010 singles getting good Spotify streams.

Yea. Even Charli XCX which is a current artist that's really beloved and considered as cool doesn't really have great peaks. In what planet Katy Perry wouldn't have disastrous numbers regardless of quality? People are blinded by their pop music fans bubble and overestimate interest.

 

Her comeback was a disaster from a PR point view but I do suspect a decent comeback would have even more atrocious numbers. This single had buzz. For the wrong reasons but still, countless virals tweets and reviews etc which might have made some people go out of their way to check it out. Without the negative buzz no one outside of ATRL and a very specific part of Stan twitter would know Katy had released something lol

[Bends]

1 minute ago, drivers license said:

could they still demote this to "buzz single" when single cd's and vinyl are already being shipped?

I came up with the idea to downgrade this single to the status of the soundtrack to the Olympics.

[Rence]

Not bad for her standards

 

[Velvet Night]

Time to pack it up and retire methinks

[Mephisto]

25 minutes ago, Enrique523 said:

Has there EVER been a bigger f*ck up by a big pop star in the history of pop music for a comeback single? I'm genuinely baffled at the whole thing, what an absolute DISASTER 

 

Seriously guys, think about it: Katy had developed SO MUCH goodwill over the years, she was getting so many positive viral tweets, there was a real sense of nostalgia for her past work, Teenage Dream is particular was getting really strong streaming numbers. People were truly ROOTING for her to have a comeback.

 

And what did she decide to do? She voluntarily went back to L*ke when she could've worked with literally anyone else and decided to release an absolutely atrocious song that sound like a literal parody of what people think a "Katy Perry" song sounds like. She entirely brought this on herself when she had a unique chance to have a true commercial comeback after been the butt of the joke for so long. She just needed the right song and the right producer. Instead she did... this.

 

I still can't believe this is all actually happening, it feels like a fever dream. How can you POSSIBLY mess up a comeback like that when all the stars were so perfectly aligned? 

Yeah I completely agree and I honestly can't understand how this happened. Like, how did she (or anyone around her) not realize this was such a bad idea? What was the thought process?

 

On the other hand, the song flopping miserably and disappearing from charts after a few days (or maybe not even charting at all) is probably for the best atp. She can pretend it never happened and push single #2, but it needs to be a great song and not produced by Dr. Luke. But she's already lost so much goodwill, it may all be in vain now.

[Enrique523]

1 hour ago, Thesedays said:

I don't think she ever truly had a chance because Twitter vitality and old hits doing OK numbers don't really mean ****.
 

In the real world, outside of Stan Twitter, there was literally zero appetite for new Katy Perry and she is completely outdated and uncool for the average music consumer.

 

With that said, yes, she decided to bomb in the most embarrassing possible way lol

I'm a Swiftie so trust me, i know that viral tweets doesn't truly mean anything lol. But i still feel it was possible for her to do WAY better than that.

[Moonlight Nation]

40 minutes ago, monster_enriquer said:

 

This was two days ago. It dropped to #111 yesterday and due to Eminem's album bomb it fell to #133 on today's update.

 

That being said, it wouldn't surprise me if it starts outperforming "Woman's World" in the next few days.  "JOYRIDE" 's been getting cute viral momentum while Katy's song has been universally panned.

[Enrique523]

1 hour ago, SweetOreosOfHeaven said:

I feel the exactly the same way. This is the most horrendous comeback attempt I have witnessed or heard about. It almost feels intentionally set up to fail.

That's the thing right there: it truly feels like sabotage. It's like they looked at everything you need to do to have a successful comeback and decided to do the exact opposite.

[corotinho]

US #110

 

It can't be real 

[corotinho]

Not even a top100 in the US. The situations is worst than i thought 

[babyforlife]

13 minutes ago, Into The Void said:

Is 2.26m really that bad?  I was expecting 1.5m at most

Its really bad, even Chromatica II, an interlude out streamed it with 2.5M streams first day in 2020 when Spotify had 3x less user compared to 2024

[Pink Ranger]

[Mordecai]

This is a disaster. I'm not even going to get into the optics of working with Dr Luke but the rollout for this should never have been so drawn out to begin with. Katy's career is not in a state where she can sustain such interest for so long, even I as a Katycat was not as hyped for this when it was released the way I thought I would be because it had been so long and everything had been shared by that point

 

At this point she needs to drop the album, get back into the studio ASAP and have a new album to go next year that is a complete overhaul in sound

[Enrique523]

1 hour ago, drivers license said:

once every few years, there's always been that one comeback. she had the chance to be that one, and she blew it.

you're right, she brought this on herself. an actual fumble.

i also blame the yes people around her.

could they still demote this to "buzz single" when single cd's and vinyl are already being shipped?

 

The yes men around her are ABSOLUTELY to blame at some degree, she obviously isn't getting honest feedback about her choices. It that was the case she would've NEVER worked with Puke again, especially on a song that is supposed to be a feminist anthem of all things. How tone deaf can you possibly be? 

 

And yeah i really believe she could've been one of those popstars who managed to have a successful comeback after a long time in the gutter and she completely blew it. People are gonna talk about this for YEARS to come, if not decades 

 

[Young In Love]

the incoming freefall

 

[Peak Now]

The global debut isn't that bad but the US debut 

 

Katy Perry my un-local queen 

[Ethereaaal]

30 minutes ago, Aurora said:

There's something deeply sinister about comparing Kesha's music to that of her alleged abuser's. Do y'all ever stop and think maybe Kesha doesn't want to be indefinitely entangled with that man and brought up in conversation wherever he is and vice versa? Do you even care how she feels, or is it worth it just to get a cheap jab in at Katy's expense? Deplorable.

 

That said, this is a massive bomb for Katy. She should demote it to buzz single stat immediately and drop one of the vastly superior snippets as the next single... preferably "Lifetimes".

Ironic you're dragging ATRLers, yet your own ******* fave publicly supports Dr. Rape and she is the one who has a personal relationship with Kesha. Sit this one out. 
 

"Deeply sinister" my ass. Yes, that describes Katy Perry's actions!
 

OT: There's no redeeming quality to Katy Perry in 2024. Her fans' standards are truly incomprehensible.

Edited July 13 by Ethereaaal