The Music Industry Posted May 18 Posted May 18 2 minutes ago, Papi Juancho said: Yes a song will be #1 on Billboard 200 Albums chart There's also a chart called the Billboard Hot 100 where Billie's latest single 'Lunch' is competing. Hope this helps! 5
airplane Posted May 18 Posted May 18 1 minute ago, The Music Industry said: There's also a chart called the Billboard Hot 100 where Billie's latest single 'Lunch' is competing. Hope this helps! WCBF is literally not close to #1 at all though so ariana releasing remixes is basically pointless. All these deflection gymnastics when you know deep down how desperate and chart obsessed your fave is get a grip 1 7 4 1
ImpressMeMuch Posted May 18 Posted May 18 Can tell if the swifties on the first page are serious or trolling at this point
dawnettakins Posted May 18 Posted May 18 (edited) Not to mention, in Ari's case it's simply to keep it stable on H100 (maybe Top 10 again if it's out?) and very clearly isn't meant to block Billie, especially a #1. Edited May 18 by dawnettakins 3
The Music Industry Posted May 18 Posted May 18 7 minutes ago, airplane said: WCBF is literally not close to #1 at all though so ariana releasing remixes is basically pointless. All these deflection gymnastics when you know deep down how desperate and chart obsessed your fave is get a grip This idea that it's ok for Ariana because she's not as successful is simply stupid and dense. If Taylor releasing voice memos is "chart obsessed", then please explain to us how it differs. What was the point of Ariana releasing 3 new editions of her single, if not to help for the charts? We'll wait for a detailed explanation. 2
Gerardo Posted May 18 Posted May 18 13 minutes ago, Headlock said: move the goalpost for the same action depending on whether or not you think it's "allowed" Literally not what I said all, and this wrong, like I said on the post it is clearly not the "same action" and I've never said any of the tactics are not "allowed", in fact I said there is nothing wrong with what her team is doing to remain at #1, but you people love acting dense to somehow portrait everyone like a huge hater
The Music Industry Posted May 18 Posted May 18 18 minutes ago, Headlock said: Indeed, it is stupid to move the goalpost for the same action depending on whether or not you think it's "allowed" based on… the success of the item being promoted What I'm gathering from all this moralistic posturing is that there are imaginarey critera you have to respect in order for this to be ok. If it's a single, it's ok to promote. If it's an album, it's not. If you don't have a strong selling power, it's ok to promote. If you're actually successful, it's not. Very odd half-baked logic being thrown here. 1 1
ImpressMeMuch Posted May 18 Posted May 18 Hilarious OP, awkward that a certain group filling this thread didn't catch the satire 3
Gerardo Posted May 18 Posted May 18 2 minutes ago, The Music Industry said: This idea that it's ok for Ariana because she's not as successful is simply stupid and dense. If Taylor releasing voice memos is "chart obsessed", then please explain to us how it differs. What was the point of Ariana releasing 3 new editions of her single, if not to help for the charts? We'll wait for a detailed explanation. Both are tactics focused on chart positions, no one denied that, again since you people clearly need everything break down, the criticism from some people (not mine) is that her team is doing this to remain at #1 against Billie on her debut week, and Ariana's team is doing it to jump some spots on a chart in like three weeks and Billie releasing (or not) this week didn't influence the release of the physicals for WCBF, and she's also not competing against Billie for a relevant achievement (this week), but ofc you're using this last part as Ariana not succeeding 1 3
LustSpell Posted May 18 Posted May 18 The satire fell on deaf ears and they went straight into defending mode. It's honest to god hilarious 7
PoisonedIvy Posted May 18 Posted May 18 10 minutes ago, Gerardo said: Both are tactics focused on chart positions, no one denied that, again since you people clearly need everything break down, the criticism from some people (not mine) is that her team is doing this to remain at #1 against Billie on her debut week, and Ariana's team is doing it to jump some spots on a chart in like three weeks and Billie releasing (or not) this week didn't influence the release of the physicals for WCBF, and she's also not competing against Billie for a relevant achievement (this week), but ofc you're using this last part as Ariana not succeeding Yall are so close to uncovering the underlying feeling yall have: that you don't want to see Taylor at #1. This isn't about sympathy for Billie, it's about vitriol towards Taylor. No one is willing to admit that so they hide behind virtue signaling like "girls girl!!!" bull crap as if Taylor hasn't proven herself to be competitive against EVERYONE at this point. 3 3 2
Headlock Posted May 18 Posted May 18 22 minutes ago, Gerardo said: Literally not what I said all, and this wrong, like I said on the post it is clearly not the "same action" and I've never said any of the tactics are not "allowed", in fact I said there is nothing wrong with what her team is doing to remain at #1, but you people love acting dense to somehow portrait everyone like a huge hater Sis, there is a 30+ page thread of people losing their minds over this, and this is the way y'all get when Swifties jokingly make the same comments back 3
ImpressMeMuch Posted May 18 Posted May 18 41 minutes ago, PoisonedIvy said: Yall are so close to uncovering the underlying feeling yall have: that you don't want to see Taylor at #1. This isn't about sympathy for Billie, it's about vitriol towards Taylor. No one is willing to admit that so they hide behind virtue signaling like "girls girl!!!" bull crap as if Taylor hasn't proven herself to be competitive against EVERYONE at this point. Someone being critical of an artist doesn't mean they don't want to succeed? You're literally imagining that or drawing a false correlation
LastGreatBloodline Posted May 18 Posted May 18 this thread shows how the HDD article got some of you scrambling the anger, the deflection 1
penguintim Posted May 18 Posted May 18 2 hours ago, Eternium said: The lack of artistic integrity and desperate need for Taylor to steal another female's spotlight. How is Taylor stealing Billie's spotlight? HMHAS is getting rave reviews and lots of buzz as well as doing great streaming numbers. Most of the Swifties I know are streaming Billie's album as well as Taylor's. 1
PoisonedIvy Posted May 18 Posted May 18 (edited) 40 minutes ago, ImpressMeMuch said: Someone being critical of an artist doesn't mean they don't want to succeed? You're literally imagining that or drawing a false correlation I'm analyzing why the criticism even exists. It's ok to critique art, but why are people critiquing business decisions? Are yall Taylor (or Billie's) manager? No, so this does not affect yall. The art does, consume it and feel accordingly. But the executive decisions employed by music industry players has no bearing on our lives and people should stop acting like it does. Edited May 18 by PoisonedIvy 1
dirrtydiana Posted May 18 Posted May 18 No she wouldn't do that to Billie who waited for eternal sunshine to come out before she released HMHAS
ImpressMeMuch Posted May 18 Posted May 18 17 minutes ago, PoisonedIvy said: I'm analyzing why the criticism even exists. It's ok to critique art, but why are people critiquing business decisions? Are yall Taylor (or Billie's) manager? No, so this does not affect yall. The art does, consume it and feel accordingly. But the executive decisions employed by music industry players has no bearing on our lives and people should stop acting like it does. This is a forum about the music industry
PoisonedIvy Posted May 18 Posted May 18 1 hour ago, ImpressMeMuch said: This is a forum about the music industry This is a pop culture forum. Not a marketing analyst convention. There is no plausible reason to find faults with the BUSINESS decisions these artists, their teams, & their labels make. Psychoanalyzing someone's character based on decisions that aren't even solely theirs is misguided and unfair. The music industry is complex, and many factors influence the choices made by artists and their management. Critiquing the art itself is one thing, but scrutinizing the business strategies behind it often ignores the collaborative and multifaceted nature of the industry. Let's focus on appreciating the creative output rather than speculating on the motivations behind business maneuvers. 1
ImpressMeMuch Posted May 19 Posted May 19 9 minutes ago, PoisonedIvy said: This is a pop culture forum. Not a marketing analyst convention. There is no plausible reason to find faults with the BUSINESS decisions these artists, their teams, & their labels make. Psychoanalyzing someone's character based on decisions that aren't even solely theirs is misguided and unfair. The music industry is complex, and many factors influence the choices made by artists and their management. Critiquing the art itself is one thing, but scrutinizing the business strategies behind it often ignores the collaborative and multifaceted nature of the industry. Let's focus on appreciating the creative output rather than speculating on the motivations behind business maneuvers. I don't think those two things can be divorced in a capitalistic environment, whatsoever. As you state, they are connected and complex. The about page mentions stats, we have a charts subforum and trl itself was a countdown. I can appreciate your intention but I have to disagree.
PoisonedIvy Posted May 19 Posted May 19 11 minutes ago, ImpressMeMuch said: I don't think those two things can be divorced in a capitalistic environment, whatsoever. As you state, they are connected and complex. The about page mentions stats, we have a charts subforum and trl itself was a countdown. I can appreciate your intention but I have to disagree. Fair enough, for me chart discussion should never veer into psychoanalyses though. Calling Taylor "evil" is insane. It would be for literally anyone. So many artists release exclusives, remixes, etc. and it's not fair for their character to be attacked solely for them doing their job. But I digress. 1
airplane Posted May 19 Posted May 19 (edited) do swifties realise that it's a recurring pattern with their fave which is why the lashings cannot be redirected onto Ariana? Edited May 19 by airplane
Blue Monday Posted May 19 Posted May 19 4 hours ago, The Music Industry said: Ok but so what if it is a method to be #1? Like... The overreaction is people suggesting promoting music to be #1 is somehow vile, despicable and the peak of hatred and atrocity. Ma'am, this is the music industry. Music competes every week for the top spot. Not some kumbaya charity. It's a game and no one is denying that, but let's be honest and call it for what it is: she is extremely chart obsessed and has been since her repeak, a fact that seems to trigger you all when people call it out
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