liquiddiamonds Posted May 1 Posted May 1 3 minutes ago, Yawn said: idk. it had a lot of buzz online and seemed viral at one point with the music video release but still didn't breakthrough despite that. Some Troye fans live in la la land. Every album of his has been poised to be the next big lgbtqia+ thing. His previous even had a Ari collab when she was at the peak of her popularity and a lot of praise. The hype for Rush didn't last past the first week and the video drop. Got Me Started didn't take off. One of Your Girls did what it had to do. They really wanted this album to his breakthrough, a minor Montero, but it stayed niche. I think he's in a place for a good jumpstart for his next record, but if he offers more of the twink popper thing he will get dragged for mud on social media, especially when he is turning 30 next year and already gets a lot of Peter Pan syndrome criticism 1 1
Janet Posted May 1 Posted May 1 2 minutes ago, liquiddiamonds said: if he offers more of the twink popper thing he will get dragged for mud on social media, especially when he is turning 30 next year and already gets a lot of Peter Pan syndrome criticism Oh wow youthful king 1
liquiddiamonds Posted May 1 Posted May 1 2 minutes ago, Janet said: Oh wow youthful king i also think he looks very youthful. he could catfish me into thinking he was 23 easily, although some people claim they can see every inch of his pushin 30 ass in his face lol
nadiamendell Posted May 1 Posted May 1 (edited) Sam started out pandering to a straight audience so getting quick hits was easier. Now that they're being more open about their sexuality, getting hits isn't so easy. Troye has been authentically queer with his music since then beginning, so of course it's been more difficult for him to break into the mainstream. I think Troye has definitely built the bigger dedicated fanbase, however. A large part of Sam's base abandoned them as soon as they stopped pandering to the straight audience. Edited May 1 by nadiamendell
Shinning Posted May 1 Posted May 1 The GP still does sometime appreciate singers you know people that can sing. 1
Pheromosa Posted May 1 Posted May 1 The one that pretended to be straight and a soul singer is bigger? I rather Troye's last album over that embarrassing mess Sam just put out, plus the all the ridicule. Bigger isn't always better
Alex Posted May 1 Posted May 1 because Sam was a part of this classic also I love Troye but he literally went back into hiding after his latest album came out, they didn't even try to capitalize on Rush's momentum so no wonder he hasn't fully smashed yet 1
Yog Posted May 1 Posted May 1 7 minutes ago, nadiamendell said: A large part of Sam's base abandoned them as soon as they stopped pandering to the straight audience And yet Gloria will eventually go platinum, becoming their 4th consecutive platinum album, even in their lowest their still collecting respectable success 1
Facelessboy Posted May 1 Posted May 1 39 minutes ago, Yawn said: idk. it had a lot of buzz online and seemed viral at one point with the music video release but still didn't breakthrough despite that. Because he didn't care.
nadiamendell Posted May 1 Posted May 1 20 minutes ago, Yog said: And yet Gloria will eventually go platinum, becoming their 4th consecutive platinum album, even in their lowest their still collecting respectable success I'm not saying it isn't still impressive, because it is! But it's still a dramatic decrease from when they were pandering to the straights. 1
Yog Posted May 1 Posted May 1 22 minutes ago, nadiamendell said: I'm not saying it isn't still impressive, because it is! But it's still a dramatic decrease from when they were pandering to the straights. Gloria era was described even before "Unholy" was released as an album mostly for them & queer people so of course it's tone would be alienating to some, but let's see how SS5 pans out because I feel Sam will tone it down to soften their image again
Facelessboy Posted May 1 Posted May 1 2 hours ago, liquiddiamonds said: They really wanted this album to his breakthrough There is no way in hell that's what they were thinking with an album filled with ballads and mid tempo. I highly doubt it!
liquiddiamonds Posted May 1 Posted May 1 4 minutes ago, Facelessboy said: There is no way in hell that's what they were thinking with an album filled with ballads and mid tempo. I highly doubt it! Ballads and midtempos are in with Gen Z. That's the bread and butter of the Olivias and Billies. The upbeat music pulled the older gay milennials that remembered him as a youtuber. 1
Facelessboy Posted May 1 Posted May 1 8 minutes ago, liquiddiamonds said: Ballads and midtempos are in with Gen Z. Nobody is checking for a Troye album for ballads. 9 minutes ago, liquiddiamonds said: That's the bread and butter of the Olivias and Billies Either Olivia or Billie are anything alike make it make sense
Mr. Duff Posted May 1 Posted May 1 Sam's image started out with a great branding because they are churning out these amazing ballads that really fit their brand at the time. They were able to establish a bit of a fanbase from there. As people said, they are like the male Adele and soft power ballads that they made are brilliantly crafted songs. Nowadays they have shifted their branding and we know how that has alienated some of their fans, but Unholy did really well so kudos. Troye is more of a niche, and he kept evolving. I would still prefer his older music but he's going for the popstar route, so I hope it works out for him.
Yog Posted May 1 Posted May 1 12 minutes ago, Facelessboy said: Nobody is checking for a Troye album for ballads. But their certainly checking for his mid tempos tho
Flanders Posted May 1 Posted May 1 Sam established a mainstream career ages ago. The other one hasn't yet, but I think it'll happen
liquiddiamonds Posted May 1 Posted May 1 35 minutes ago, Facelessboy said: Nobody is checking for a Troye album for ballads. Either Olivia or Billie are anything alike make it make sense We're in the age of relatability. The slower numbers make Troye relatable for audiences beyond a party boy. It's one of the reasons why the man in your profile picture is flopping hard 1
Facelessboy Posted May 1 Posted May 1 3 hours ago, liquiddiamonds said: It's one of the reasons why the man in your profile picture is flopping hard Yet not one single he's released has anything to do with partying. Justin has been around since the 90s he's bound to under perform at least it happened two decades in his career. Aldo i can post many party songs from other artists that smash so this it gotta be a ballad to smash narrative is you pulling things out your beep. Billie, Olivia and now Justin you sure love bringing every other artist up to distract That you have no idea on what your talking about.
liquiddiamonds Posted May 1 Posted May 1 (edited) 1 hour ago, Facelessboy said: Aldo i can post many party songs from other artists that smash so this it gotta be a ballad to smash narrative is you pulling things out your beep. Billie, Olivia and now Justin you sure love bringing every other artist up to distract That you have no idea on what your talking about. my god you're so stupid... what point of crafting a complex and relatable persona for a younger audience to identify with him is hard to figure? if troye only had mindless dance-pop music like Rush they would box him as a surface level gimmick. he would be faceless. the ballads, the mid-tempos, like angel baby, about love, desire and heartbreak are exactly what made him tangible to his audience and made him a male gay icon for younger fans. in case you haven't noticed, he's been appealing to a completely different audience from his first release. You are out here being stupid and focusing on Billie's and Olivia's genre differences instead of focusing on the same groundwork they did in bulding their personas and bringing their audiences in so they can feel like fully realized people for them. if billie only had "bad guys" and "you should see me in a crowns" she would have been left behind in 2019. in no moment I said that gen z hates party music. but it's pretty obvious that to build relatability they need more intimate numbers. just take a look at their recurrent streams. so yes, a big breakthrough album for a younger generation will have ballads and midtempos, unlike what you first wrote, since it's what every album tailor-made for that pop audience brings to the table these days. That also applys to Sam. They had the Latches, but also had the poignant numbers that hooked people in. People called straight music, because his image was friendly for them and it's not dance, but I've seen plenty of gay men identify with those slower numbers and even more with the midtempos like How Do You Sleep. It brings complexity to an otherwise shallow character if they were to only unleash Unholys to the world. Beyoncé is also a 90s artists and she's still inside the top 3 in B200 and seeing the top 10 inside the H100 and that's because she built a strong bond with her audience since her heydays, heavily invested in her persona, her celebrity and her craft, which JT failed to do past his peak 2000s celebrity. There was no fanbase for him to lie upon once age hit his door. He became a faceless boy, indeed Edited May 1 by liquiddiamonds 1
Yog Posted May 1 Posted May 1 2 hours ago, liquiddiamonds said: but I've seen plenty of gay men identify with those slower numbers and even more with the midtempos like How Do You Sleep. This is actually quite true, during Gloria era and its backlash, there was Sam's cis gay male fans LOUDLY expressing their negativity over the era's very queer aesthetic, it was quite disheartening 1
Facelessboy Posted May 2 Posted May 2 4 hours ago, liquiddiamonds said: my god you're so stupid That's rich coming from someone who wrote a page filled with grammar mistakes. You take care baby good luck
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