terrorblade Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 troyes too ghey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrokenMachine Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 1 hour ago, nostalgic said: Australophobia. 35 minutes ago, Alldeezy said: The world just hates Australians that isn't kylie Wasn't he born in South Africa ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimpleKindofLife Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 Sam is much more versatile and stronger vocally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WEEKND Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 Sam can sing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimi Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 1 hour ago, Josh said: That didn't stop Kylie Minogue from snagging hits what hits 5 1 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeferino Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 Antisemitism 😔 jk idk tbh not mentioned but Adam Lambert deserved better imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archetype Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 Sam is a better artist IMO. Their first few singles and album was very strong and came out around the same time as Adele. The GP knows who Sam is and they'll always love their earlier music and collabs with Disclosure. Troye had to work his way up gradually to fame, and even now, he's still not a household name in much of the west. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfonso12 Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 1 hour ago, Exzime. said: Sam Smith started out - where the public called them the male Adele equivalent. They were taken seriously as musician / songwriter (hence the Grammy nods) - they also built loyal and mature following. Whereas Troye Sivan, initially started as Youtuber, most of his fans are of younger lgbtq+ audience. 1 hour ago, GentleEarthquake said: Didn't Sam pander to the straights in the beginning of their career? This. Sam started as another boring Adele / Ed Sheeran, doing basic music with mass-appeal. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yog Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 12 minutes ago, Kimi said: what hits Rude… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yog Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 2 minutes ago, alfonso12 said: This. Sam started as another boring Adele / Ed Sheeran, doing basic music with mass-appeal. Ok… but still making hits, so 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Into The Void Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 It's not like Troye hasn't had success Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotunda Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 Sam is still benefiting from the GP goodwill they generated when they were first starting out. Every few months you'll see a viral TikTok/tweet about Latch from someone who knows nothing about Sam's new image. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raisetheroof Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 1 hour ago, J-esper said: Even though Sam never hid their sexuality, their career started out with a very universal sound, image and way of marketing. Troye is a YouTuber who succesfully branched out to a proper singing career. Troye's coming out and his Journey was far more interwined in both lyrical as visual content of his music. Came here to write this. Sam's first few albums (at least their singles, haven't really listened to the rest) made a very cognizant effort to avoid gender pronouns to make the music more appealing to a wider audience. After they started expressing their sexuality and gender more openly during their last two albums, their music hasn't been as commercially succesful. I truly believe Unholy was a one-off less to do with Sam Smith and more to do with TikTok as well as an unbelievably catchy chorus. Troye, conversely, has always expressed his sexuality publicly. I may be cynical, but I truly believe that even in today's world a gay man who openly expresses their sexuality in how they dress, speak and act simply cannot be that huge of an artist. When only 70 % of Americans think homosexuality should even be accepted in society, one's odds of success are quite significantly reduced if 30 % of people likely disregard your music purely based on your sexuality. That's even without commenting on the subliminal and sometimes overt biases which a bunch of that 70 % hold towards gay people. 4 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yog Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 1 minute ago, Rotunda said: Sam is still benefiting from the GP goodwill they generated when they were first starting out. Every few months you'll see a viral TikTok/tweet about Latch from someone who knows nothing about Sam's new image. Interesting enough, their about to celebrate "In The Lonely Hour" 10th anniversary with an BBC Prom concert 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nostalgic Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 1 hour ago, BrokenMachine said: Wasn't he born in South Africa ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yog Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 (edited) 19 minutes ago, raisetheroof said: their music hasn't been as commercially succesful Love Goes is literally their 2nd best selling album and second most streamed album… Gloria may be their most least selling album to date but it's still more than troye will ever do… Edited May 1 by Yog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tost1 Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 3 hours ago, DeadInside said: Tops win, bottoms lose! Bottoms loose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIDDOATIN Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 SAM is the better artist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raisetheroof Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 2 hours ago, Yog said: Love Goes is literally their 2nd best selling album and second most streamed album… Gloria may be their most least selling album to date but it's still more than troye will ever do… You don't have to get so defensive All I'm saying is that it's inherently harder for overtly gay people to be successful at a certain scale. I'm not saying that they are not able to have success of any kind or trying to denote the successes of either Sam or Troye. Furthermore, we should celebrate gay artists when they do achieve mainstream success of any kind. I don't understand your or anyone's need to pit them against each other. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frappucino Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 Great question considering they both suck … not just literally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TROJAN Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 5 hours ago, Strawberry Bubble said: Very few 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filpo Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 Spotify daily streams 2024/04/23 Gloria: 996,386 Something To Give Each Other: 1,417,160 Seems like mainstream artist Sam Smith isn't doing that better than niche youtuber Troye Sivan, despite the mega smash Unholy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.D.D. Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 Non binary wins I guess it's their moment now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Luke Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 More distinct, charismatic (and polarizing) image along with a great voice that is loved by the GP, no matter the antics. That said I like both their music. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yawn Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 11 hours ago, Facelessboy said: Troye Isn't even trying though. He had hype behind Rush & didn't lift a finger. idk. it had a lot of buzz online and seemed viral at one point with the music video release but still didn't breakthrough despite that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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