4th Time Around Posted April 30 Posted April 30 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Rep2000 said: And what exactly is this name calling? You are proposing Ukraine to just roll over and die. We all saw what Russia Medvedev introduces as "future Ukraine" map and it's literally just Kiev. How about you propose Russia to stop this idiotic assault on our intelligence instead, huh? Have you ever considered that alternative? And what would that proposal acomplish? I think in terms of reality, not fantasy and wishful thinking My personal feelings on the morality of the Russian invasion is totally irrelevant Contrary to what you think, an agreement between Russia and Ukraine was nearly reached in turkey during the 2022 negotiations and it allowed for Ukraine to keep a lot more territory than just Kiev You need to do some basic research I think Edited April 30 by 4th Time Around
4th Time Around Posted April 30 Posted April 30 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Illuminati said: You feel very confident speaking for them (and thinking you know better what the Ukrainians need than they do) you must be at the frontlines yourself. As a stronghold that was always at the frontline Avdiivka held for 10 years of constant attacks until there was nothing left to hold. If every "house of cards" holds like this Ukraine will be fine. Russia did not have a full scale ground invasion of Ukraine going on for 10 years now did they? So this claim of it holding for 10 years is misinformation with the way you word it "until there was nothing left to hold" What are you even trying to say" Adivka was functioning and fortified city when Russia captured it, not a smoking pile of rubble, they encircled it and forced an enemy withdraw rather than directly assaulting it. Just stop please, you obviously know very little about military matters Also there is a big difference between low scale seperatist conflict and a conventional war with the Russian army which is why the city was not taken earlier. Once Russia and Ukraine were fully at war and Russia decided to commit to a significant offensive in the area, they took Adivka very easily Edited April 30 by 4th Time Around
Rep2000 Posted April 30 Posted April 30 37 minutes ago, 4th Time Around said: And what would that proposal acomplish? I think in terms of reality, not fantasy and wishful thinking My personal feelings on the morality of the Russian invasion is totally irrelevant Contrary to what you think, an agreement between Russia and Ukraine was nearly reached in turkey during the 2022 negotiations and it allowed for Ukraine to keep a lot more territory than just Kiev You need to do some basic research I think And this is 2024, where basic research would tell you that this is not 2022 anymore and how many peace treaties did Russia break with Ukraine again? Oh, literally every single one of them. And if you have moral feelings on this Russian invasion, you would have known better than to suggest Ukrainians to just give up and give away everything they have fought for. At least the tankies in this thread know better and just hide behind their adopted American First Trumpian talking point. 1
4th Time Around Posted April 30 Posted April 30 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Rep2000 said: And this is 2024, where basic research would tell you that this is not 2022 anymore and how many peace treaties did Russia break with Ukraine again? Oh, literally every single one of them. And if you have moral feelings on this Russian invasion, you would have known better than to suggest Ukrainians to just give up and give away everything they have fought for. At least the tankies in this thread know better and just hide behind their adopted American First Trumpian talking point. Again, what does Russia breaking treaties have anything to do with the reality on the ground? We are not talking about the morality or causes of this war If I thought Ukraine had a chance of actually retaking territory I would say keep fighting But they dont and funding them is a waste of time because they have already lost. I was in favor of aid at the start of the war when it looked like they might stand a chance. One does not need to be a Trumpist to recognize obvious facts You want them to not give away everything they have fought for and as a result they will be left with no country and hundreds of thousands of people who have died in vain at the end of all this Congrats Edited April 30 by 4th Time Around
chessguy99 Posted May 1 Posted May 1 I actually don't trust anything coming from Zelensky anymore. The man is desperate. Ukraine doesn't have the manpower to win this, no matter how much military aid we send them. If the war continues, especially the mismanaged ground assaults on the Russian occupied eastern doblasts, they will soon be unable to even hold the ground they took back. It's a numbers game, and Ukraine is steadily losing able soldiers, with dwindling replacements. 1
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