news Iraq criminalizes gay relationships; 15 years in jail

[Communion]

3 hours ago, State of Grace. said:

 

And I'm supposed to believe the Western ******* on this website care about the well being of Iraqi (Middle Eastern) gays? ......lol

 

OT - They have a billion other things to be worrying about. I'm kind of shocked it took them this long to do this considering how horrible the situation is for our community in Iraq. My heart is with all my sisters and brothers there. 

Tea, sis! Very interesting to see someone like @SlowGinFizzzz come in here and post something like the below:

2 hours ago, SlowGinFizzzz said:

Just horrible. I hope every gay person in Iraq can find a way to live safely or leave the country. 

 

...while at the same time advocating for left-wing European parties to adopt far-right immigration policies that not only ban migration from Muslim nations but which explicitly do not leave carve-outs for queer people and asylum seekers:

On 11/22/2023 at 8:50 PM, SlowGinFizzzz said:

The number one topic deciding elections in Europe is once again migration (especially in conjunction with Islam), and if center/left parties keep ignoring the issue like they have for the last decade, then the exact same thing as in the Netherlands is going to happen at the EU elections next spring, as well as in pretty much any national elections that will take place in the next couple years, e.g. Austria 2024

On 11/24/2023 at 6:09 PM, SlowGinFizzzz said:

This is such an important point! Many people are seemingly failing to understand that while the average voter will of course support "left-wing" positions like a strong social welfare state, good education for everyone, progressive labour laws, trade unions, women's rights, LGBT rights, they will also look critically at 1. immigration, especially after 2015 and especially from muslim cultures, and 2. Islam in general

 

If anything, it's surprising that "the left" haven't figured that out yet, aside from some exceptions like the Danish Social Democrats, or the party Sahra Wagenknecht is currently building in Germany. 

  

On 9/15/2022 at 5:25 AM, SlowGinFizzzz said:

Other European countries should see this as a wake-up call to finally implement stricter immigration regulations

The odd suggestion that it is Western leftists and progressives who somehow don't care about queer people suffering in parts of the world because we do not agree with drone strikes or regime change, while at the same breath holding the contradicting view of "Muslim nations are a death sentence for LGBT people.. which is why we can't accept anymore refugees from Muslim-majority places". 

 

Edit - ddd our minds @State of Grace.

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[State of Grace.]

Just now, Communion said:

Very interesting to see someone like @SlowGinFizzzz come in here and post something like the below:

 

...while at the same time advocating for left-wing European parties to adopt far-right immigrant policies that not only ban migration from Muslim nations but which explicitly do not leave carve-outs for queer people and asylum seekers who themselves are still Muslim or from Muslim nations:

  

The odd suggestion that it is Western leftists and progressives who somehow don't care about queer people suffering in parts of the world because we do not agree with drone strikes, while at the same breath holding the contradicting view of "Muslim nations are a death sentence for LGBT people.. which is why we can't accept anymore refugees from Muslim-majority places". 

nnnn not this right after my post above

[Raver]

I am shocked

[playboi]

so I see we're still pretending like the overwhelming majority of immigrants from the ME/Africa aren't religious conservative cis het men  

 

I don't think any left-leaning person advocating for stricter immigration laws is doing so with LGBT people and women in mind

[State of Grace.]

1 minute ago, playboi said:

so I see we're still pretending like the overwhelming majority of immigrants from the ME/Africa aren't religious conservative cis het men  

 

I don't think any left-leaning person advocating for stricter immigration laws is doing so with LGBT people and women in mind

Yeah right, because the "stricter immigration laws" in question will be very welcoming and make exceptions for POC women and queer people. Bffr. 

[LegaMyth]

Meanwhile, the militants probably enjoy getting fis*** by other men. 

[playboi]

9 minutes ago, State of Grace. said:

Yeah right, because the "stricter immigration laws" in question will be very welcoming and make exceptions for POC women and queer people. Bffr. 

I guess we'll never know since if any progressive party tried to implement these ideas they would get branded as bigots and racists for prioritizing "some" immigrants over others 

[Absinthe]

Terrible.

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[beautiful player]

This is awful. I feel for any queer person who has to live under fear of persecution for just being themselves. 

I hope they will be able to fight back and repeal this law. The only real solution is for them to change the minds of the Iraqi legislature as it pertains to LGBTQ identities.

[Kassi]

That's awful.

 

Hope the gays there can somehow escape to Israel or Lebanon — two of the only LGBT friendly places in the region. 

[State of Grace.]

7 minutes ago, Kassi said:

That's awful.

 

Hope the gays there can somehow escape to Israel or Lebanon — two of the only LGBT friendly places in the region. 

Amazing. So they should run away from a homophobic country to another homophobic state where they live as second class citizens and get called dirty arabs?

 

Oh silly Kassi...

 

 

[Communion]

53 minutes ago, playboi said:

religious conservative cis het men

What an odd comment. Many male refugees were Syrian. Are straight men immune from suffering in a civil war? If the view of the West is that Assad is a madman who uses chemical weapons on his people.. do straight men deserve to die from chemical weapons attacks? Could you imagine your father dead from a sarin gas attack?

 

The contradictions of right-wing liberalism are always apparent. You want to claim to care about queer people yet reveal an ego-driven, Western perspective. You don't get *why* people become refugees. You act like all migration to Europe from the Middle East comes from either a desire to take what the West has or a conspiracy that Muslims want to infiltrate and take over Western society.

 

Thus.. "but straight male refugees!!!". Again.. Syrian refugees were produced from a literal civil war. Do civil wars discern and discriminate based on demographics?

How much migration is coming into the West from conservative nations that are affluent and well-off? If your theory of why people migrate rang true, wouldn't there just be as many people from UAE or Qatar coming to the West as poor Syrians or Iraqis?

 

The vast majority of the people born in the world prefer to live in the culture they were born in. Mass migration is actually a rare occurrence amongst the world's 8B population. But because you view the West as inherently superior, you don't get that. You view almost all migration to it from the outside as nefarious. We must raise up the gates because the rest of the world is just waiting to rush in and destroy us. Why would a conservative straight man in a religious society that benefits him even want to move to a foreign country that is directly at odds with his views? Where he'd be a minority? The phenomenon you claim happens isn't even logically sound. 

 

By fear-mongering over a thing that doesn't happen, you erase the actual material reasons for why people participate in forced migration (economic refugees, asylum seekers, victims of political repression) and then just go "..but no one explicitly said THOSE people can't come!!" when held accountable to the actual legislative impact of your views.
 

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[Communion]

38 minutes ago, Kassi said:

That's awful.

 

Hope the gays there can somehow escape to Israel or Lebanon — two of the only LGBT friendly places in the region. 

 

27 minutes ago, State of Grace. said:

Amazing. So they should run away from a homophobic country to another homophobic state where they live as second class citizens and get called dirty arabs?

 

Oh silly Kassi...

 

 

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Israeli strikes have killed more than 350 people in Lebanon, including more than 50 civilians. 

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/top-french-diplomat-arrives-lebanon-attempt-broker-halt-109725833#:~:text=Israeli strikes have killed more,each side of the border.

 

Israel making the options either be a different type of second class citizen in Israel or a potential target in the next nation over. Imagine fleeing a nation out of fear you'll be killed for being gay, only to then be killed via a drone strike by a country that prides itself as pro-LGBT. 

 

Liberalism really is an inherently contradicting ideology.

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[Kassi]

29 minutes ago, State of Grace. said:

Amazing. So they should run away from a homophobic country to another homophobic state where they live as second class citizens and get called dirty arabs?

 

Oh silly Kassi...

 

 

I know Lebanon is outwardly homophobic, but I think they're still a viable alternative since it evolved as a multi-cultural and multi-confessional country owing to its initial Christian political identity. I've heard homosexuality is generally well tolerated as long as it's not flaunted. 

That said, you're probably right, Israel is likely the better option due to its vibrant gay culture and multi-ethnic character. There they can be open without fear of reprisal. 

 

[Kassi]

5 minutes ago, Communion said:

 

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/top-french-diplomat-arrives-lebanon-attempt-broker-halt-109725833#:~:text=Israeli strikes have killed more,each side of the border.

 

imagine fleeing a nation out of fear you'll be killed for being gay, only to then be killed via a drone strike by a country that prides itself as pro-LGBT. 

 

Liberal really is an inherently contradicting ideology.

They could also be killed in the US in a mass shooting, yet you advocate for their immigration here — which is great, but also much further away and improbable. So what's your point?
 

[Cheers]

Terrible.

 

I hate the idea that people have to flee their home in order to have basic rights... why doesn't the U.N step in to make their homes safer? Like??

[Communion]

1 minute ago, Kassi said:

They could also be killed in the US in a mass shooting

"Violent individual crimes are comparable to a nation's government actively slaughtering people via drone strikes and military actions"

 

Again, you do not care about gay people. Though I'm shocked you're suggesting Joe Biden's America is somehow more dangerous than a war-torn MENA country. 

Let alone the dark and uncomfortable irony that someone who has literally posted that they came to America as a child from Rwanda (?) due to genocide now advocating for the opposite. Which bordering nation to Rwanda should your family have fled to instead of to America? Why did your family pick America & not Angola?

 

Though you have literally said such gives you the right to say Israel is not committing genocide so I think we know where this is going. 

[thesegayz]

19 minutes ago, Communion said:

"Violent individual crimes are comparable to a nation's government actively slaughtering people via drone strikes and military actions"

 

Again, you do not care about gay people. Though I'm shocked you're suggesting Joe Biden's America is somehow more dangerous than a war-torn MENA country. 

Let alone the dark and uncomfortable irony that someone who has literally posted that they came to America as a child from Rwanda (?) due to genocide now advocating for the opposite. Which bordering nation to Rwanda should your family have fled to instead of to America? Why did your family pick America & not Angola?

 

Though you have literally said such gives you the right to say Israel is not committing genocide so I think we know where this is going. 

You really love to speak outside of both sides of your mouth just to be right on the internet. I called you out for Islam's rigid homophobia, and instead of engaging in debate, you relegated to calling me names and doing mental gymnastics to make this about "colonialism," when clearly it's so much more than that. Iraq is evidence. And that's a country the United States helped rebuild after Bush f*cked that invasión up

 

yikes yikes yikes

[Aethereal]

1 hour ago, State of Grace. said:

Amazing. So they should run away from a homophobic country to another homophobic state where they live as second class citizens and get called dirty arabs?

 

Oh silly Kassi...

 

 

Israel does not even accept non-Jewish migrants with some very small exceptions.

[Communion]

8 minutes ago, thesegayz said:

You really love to speak outside of both sides of your mouth just to be right on the internet. I called you out for Islam's rigid homophobia, and instead of engaging in debate, you relegated to calling me names and doing mental gymnastics to make this about "colonialism," when clearly it's so much more than that. Iraq is evidence. And that's a country the United States helped rebuild after Bush f*cked that invasión up

 

yikes yikes yikes

Sis, I don't know who users without icons and sub-200 posts are, but you suggested Palestinians don't deserve a nation because you find they're homophobic. I'm not even sure where you saw the world "colonialism" used:

 

You were asked if then homophobic Europeans nations should be dissolved and you didn't respond.

 

So now let's get this straight. You and your compatriots are arguing both of these points are the same time;

• Groups like Palestinians and others are homophobic and thus do not deserve to be recognized as a state
• All Muslim (and by proxy all Arab?) majority nations are inherently homophobic and thus the West should accept no refugees from these places

?

 

So you feel you have no responsibility to house either refugees whose refugee status your nation didn't or even DID contribute to?

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[Kassi]

2 hours ago, Communion said:

"Violent individual crimes are comparable to a nation's government actively slaughtering people via drone strikes and military actions"

 

Again, you do not care about gay people. Though I'm shocked you're suggesting Joe Biden's America is somehow more dangerous than a war-torn MENA country. 

Let alone the dark and uncomfortable irony that someone who has literally posted that they came to America as a child from Rwanda (?) due to genocide now advocating for the opposite. Which bordering nation to Rwanda should your family have fled to instead of to America? Why did your family pick America & not Angola?

 

Though you have literally said such gives you the right to say Israel is not committing genocide so I think we know where this is going. 

If we were talking about gays in a repressive Latin American country, I wouldn't be talking about MENA… like… it's all contextual.  

The entire region is "war torn", even Israel was in a perpetual state of defense prior to Oct 7th as given by their Iron Dome program. It's been that way since the first recorded war in human history in Mesopotamia, known as…wait for it… present-day Iraq.

 

That doesn't mean there aren't safer neighboring countries for queer people to escape to. Heck maybe even Turkey. Idk. And then sure, from there they can initiate the visa process to get into the US. 

[Communion]

17 minutes ago, Kassi said:

The reason I was alive to even make it IN the US is because we fled to neighboring countries including Burundi, Uganda, caught and arrested in DRC (woops ), sentenced to death, saved by a UN operation, hung out in a refugee camp in Cameroon, and then finally taken in by some red state looking for cheap immigrant labor — 6 years out from the genocide.

Congratulations, at least half of the far-right European posters on ATRL would deem your lived experience as an attempt to colonize and invade the West through several instances of illegal migration.

 

i hope you seemingly don't think there are many one-way flights to Cologne out of Baghdad? Or do you somehow think your situation is the only worthy exception and you'd be exempt from the ire of users with post histories claiming Turkey is being bribed by global human traffickers to let immigration flow, Poland/Hungarian nationals talking about throwing literal stones at refugees at their borders, or those defending the drowning of migrant rafts in the Mediterranean to prevent them from reaching Italy's shores?

 

Ironically the distance between Rwanda and Cameroon is not meaningful shorter than between Syria and Greece. "Everyone is doing it wrong but me!"

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[SlowGinFizzzz]

2 hours ago, Communion said:

Tea, sis! Very interesting to see someone like @SlowGinFizzzz come in here and post something like the below:

 

...while at the same time advocating for left-wing European parties to adopt far-right immigration policies that not only ban migration from Muslim nations but which explicitly do not leave carve-outs for queer people and asylum seekers:

  

The odd suggestion that it is Western leftists and progressives who somehow don't care about queer people suffering in parts of the world because we do not agree with drone strikes or regime change, while at the same breath holding the contradicting view of "Muslim nations are a death sentence for LGBT people.. which is why we can't accept anymore refugees from Muslim-majority places". 

You do realise that not everyone sees the world as black and white as you do? Some of us are able to feel compassion for the poor people affected by this while also looking critically at Islam as an ideology and acknowledging that no country can deal with infinite immigration. Nuance is a thing. But of course, as far as I am aware, you're not a teacher, nurse or social worker in one of the countries with the highest number of asylum applications per capita in all of Europe, so I don't expect you to understand how migration affects the everyday realities and the social system of a place you probably can't even find on a map; but maybe, from time to time, you should just keep your mouth shut. You don't see me commenting on New Jersey politics that I obviously don't understand or know about, do you?
 

On another note, why are you interacting with me anyway, after so loudly and proudly announcing to put me on "ignore"?  Frankly, I quite enjoyed the peace and quiet that came with not having to deal with your absurd takes all the time. 

On 12/14/2023 at 2:16 AM, Communion said:

I'm about to do something really funny, sis. 

 

*clicks ignore button* 

Either way, don't bother replying to this, because I won't discuss this with you any further. We all know your "technique" of arguing, and I simply don't have the time or energy, plus there's some lesson planning waiting for me. 

[Kassi]

18 minutes ago, Communion said:

Congratulations, at least half of the far-right European posters on ATRL would deem your lived experience as an attempt to colonize and invade the West through several instances of illegal migration.

 

i hope you seemingly don't think there are many one-way flights to Cologne out of Baghdad? Or do you somehow think your situation is the only worthy exception and you'd be exempt from the ire of users with post histories claiming Turkey is being bribed by global human traffickers to let immigration flow, Poland/Hungarian nationals talking about throwing literal stones at refugees at their borders, or those defending the drowning of migrant rafts in the Mediterranean to prevent them from reaching Italy's shores?

 

Ironically the distance between Rwanda and Cameroon is not meaningful shorter than between Syria and Greece. "Everyone is doing it wrong but me!"

I will defend my conception of immigration against their closed minded views, as I've openly signaled in the past:

 

On 10/12/2023 at 9:37 AM, Kassi said:

At least, for my part, I can say that my views on immigration are consistent across the board (open borders, yes!).

But until the day of open borders is upon us, in the name of self-preservation, I would hope the gays in Iraq are able to move around locally and find some more immediate relief. 

[Communion]

22 minutes ago, SlowGinFizzzz said:

Some of us are able to feel compassion for the poor people affected by this while also looking critically at Islam as an ideology and acknowledging that no country can deal with infinite immigration. Nuance is a thing. But of course, as far as I am aware, you're not a teacher, nurse or social worker in one of the countries with the highest number of asylum applications per capita in all of Europe, so I don't expect you to understand how migration affects the everyday realities and the social system of a place you probably can't even find on a map; but maybe, from time to time, you should just keep your mouth shut. You don't see me commenting on New Jersey politics that I obviously don't understand or know about, do you?

 

17 minutes ago, Kassi said:

I will defend my conception of immigration against their closed minded views, as I've openly signaled in the past:

 

But until the day of open borders is upon us, in the name of self-preservation, I would hope the gays in Iraq are able to move around locally and find some more immediate relief. 

Two posts right after one another of two radically different liberals trying to pretend they're under some shared umbrella to protect their class interests from evil leftists. 

 

"Europe has taken too much! You're asking too much of us!!!" "I'm just being pragmatic and suggest people go to the next closest neighboring location!!"

 

Both ideologically committed to terrorizing the Middle East and creating mass instability (both proud Israel supporters!) while ignoring reality:

 

 

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