news Student movement in solidarity with Gaza goes global; police crackdowns ensue

[Jjang]

5 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said:

I think you meant to quote someone else?

oops! sorry.

[State of Grace.]

4 minutes ago, N.M.K. said:

defend people calling for the genocide and eradication of Jews.

Nobody did that. Find another card.

 

Interpreting anti-Israel posts and protests as "kill all Jews!!!" is a very common reading comprehension problem among Zionists. I wonder why.

Edited April 21 by State of Grace.

[John Slayne]

6 minutes ago, N.M.K. said:

Peddling that line to try to separate Israel from Jewish identity is just not based on fact.

Actually, Jewish anti-Zionists have always existed, despite what Israel would like you to believe. They literally try to write them out of history.

 

See:

https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/irn510183

[Communion]

1 minute ago, N.M.K. said:

I'm not speaking on that. My point is that people here claim to be against genocide (rightfully) yet in the same breath defend people calling for the genocide and eradication of Jews. That is why we say this is antisemitic.

Your point simply doesn't land because Israel has lost credibility and thus you have no ammo outside of your most ardent allies to claim supporting Hamas or Palestinian liberation like attempted on 10/07 is equivalent to wanting the bold. 

 

Israel's actions have shown that they want to eliminate the Palestinian people. The decry to not be eliminated can't be then, in effect, also genocidal. 

[Sun]

7 minutes ago, Jjang said:

Hamas, a militant group, broke out from a concentration camp on parachutes for the first time since 2005 and they still had a significantly lower ratio civilians to combatants killed than Israel, who has the best and most advanced military technology in the world. 

 

If "this is just an equal war, babes!" then Israel so far has exceeded Hamas in Barbarism a million times over. 

I mean… That quite literally is a description of war?  Do we need to go through a list together? Has there been a war where there is an equal amount of deaths on both sides, ever? You're trying to use the notion of them not killing an "equal" amount of Jews as some sort of excuse and Israel should wait for them to regroup and do it again a bunch more times as they have sworn they would?
 

You say I'm a genocide denier, I say you're an antisemite denier. Let's stay on topic with what the White House had to say about the Columbia University protests - which it was just that! ANTISEMITISM.
 

Edited April 21 by Sun

[N.M.K.]

1 minute ago, John Slayne said:

Actually, Jewish anti-Zionists have always existed, despite what Israel would like you to believe. They literally try to write them out of history.

 

See:

https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/irn510183

Yes... yet the overwhelming majority of Jewish people still believe in Israel's right to exist...

[N.M.K.]

1 minute ago, Communion said:

Your point simply doesn't land because Israel has lost credibility and thus you have no ammo outside of your most ardent allies to claim supporting Hamas or Palestinian liberation like attempted on 10/07 is equivalent to wanting the bold. 

 

Israel's actions have shown that they want to eliminate the Palestinian people. The decry to not be eliminated can't be then, in effect, also genocidal. 

Because of Israel's actions, calling for the eradication of Jewish people is now...okay? Gotcha

[Jjang]

1 minute ago, Sun said:

I mean… That quite literally is a description of war?  Do we need to go through a list together? Has there been a war where there is an equal amount of deaths on both sides, ever? You're trying to use the notion of them not killing an "equal" amount of Jews as some sort of excuse and Israel should wait for them to regroup and do it again a bunch more times as they have sworn they would?
 

You say I'm a genocide denier, I say you're an antisemite denier. Let's stay on topic with what the White House had to say about the Columbia University protests - which it was just that!
 

was the Warsaw Uprising also a traditional fair-play war, then? 

 

[GhostBox]

I mean there's videos of them harassing, threatening, and hitting Jewish students. 
 

there a few where they circle someone they think is Jewish and won't even let them walk around campus. 
 

💀

 

this might've started out with good intentions but it's turning very ugly and yes antisemitic  

[Communion]

4 minutes ago, N.M.K. said:

calling for the eradication of Jewish people

You're losing. No one believes you anymore. Give up. 

 

Calling for the end of a racist ethno-theocracy that maintains an artificial ethnic majority of Jewish people by systemic apartheid policies and allowing its citizens to commit pogroms =/= killing or physically harming anyone. 

 

Your assertion that a state where non-Jews are a permanently subjugated underclass must forever exist is deeply troubling. 

 

Allow for an Israel that doesn't have to be majority Jewish and you'd see people be fine with its existance. Why do you support ethno-states?

Edited April 21 by Communion

[GhostBox]

5 minutes ago, N.M.K. said:

Because of Israel's actions, calling for the eradication of Jewish people is now...okay? Gotcha

Yes that's what they believe. It's why they won't condemn the harassment of jewish students. 
 

I mean some here were openly  giddy that Iran might bomb innocent Jews a few days ago. 💀

Edited April 21 by GhostBox

[Sun]

Just now, Jjang said:

was the Warsaw Uprising also a traditional fair-play war, then? 

 

Was the US-Afghanistan 20 year war also a genocide? Or was them responding the same way Israel is doing right now with Hamas but to Al-Qaeda in Afghan just simply a war? 
 

[Both Sides Now]

20 minutes ago, N.M.K. said:

This is because Jews only make up 2% of the entire country. The overwhelming majority of Jewish people believe in Israel's right to exist (Zionists). Peddling that line to try to separate Israel from Jewish identity is just not based on fact.

And still Zionism is not a part of Jewish identity no matter how much you try to say it is… 

 

Saying that Zionism is "Israel's right to exist" is a ridiculously simple-minded statement too. Zionism is settler-colonial project to expel the indigenous population of Palestine by force and transfer European Jews into the land.
 

We have forgotten that we have not come to an empty land to inherit it, but we have come to conquer a country from people inhabiting it, that governs it by the virtue of its language and savage culture. - Moshe Sharett

 

If you asked white people "Does Australia have a right to exist?", I'm sure the vast majority would say yes also. If you asked "Do you think that white people had a right to decimate 90%+ of the Aboriginal population when they stole their lands" - I'm not sure you'd get the same enthusiasm.
 

Stop whitewashing genocide and ethnic cleansing. Jews should be able to live freely in Palestine. That is not the same thing as a right to commit genocide and ethnic cleansing. It's pretty gross to suggest these aspects are inherent to Jewish identity. 

Edited April 21 by Both Sides Now

[Communion]

4 minutes ago, GhostBox said:

It's why they won't condemn the harassment of jewish students. 

Do the "harassed Jewish students" include people besides Republican provocateurs? I am not shocked a Biden supporter finds himself siding with Zionist Republicans whose profiles are full of white supremacist talking points like claiming DEI and affirmative action policies are racist. 

 

 

Big mask off moment for you to openly side with pro-Israel Republicans making horrendous arguments like that black and brown students are given special treatment at the expense of Jewish and white students. 

[Moloko Plus]

 

this is antisemitic LOSER behavior no matter which way you try to twist it

[Jjang]

3 minutes ago, Sun said:

Was the US-Afghanistan 20 year war also a genocide? Or was them responding the same way Israel is doing right now with Hamas but to Al-Qaeda in Afghan just simply a war? 
 

Are you really trying to get me to justify America's heinous and unspeakable crimes in the Middle East? 

 

So not only are you pro- the Palestinian genocide. But you're also pro- invasion of Iraq/Afghanistan? 

 

 

 

the US should not have invaded those countries just like it shouldn't fund and sponsor the Palestinian genocide. 

[Sun]

1 minute ago, Jjang said:

the US should not have invaded those countries just like it shouldn't fund and sponsor the Palestinian genocide. 

Good to know the leftie ATRL expectation is for our home countries/governments to do nothing if we or our families get killed/kidnapped by terrorists and promised it will be done so over and over again until an entire religion of humanity is wiped out. 

 

 

 

I wonder if the open and loud antisemite-deniers on this thread will be heavily warned by the ATRL mods - surely they'd keep the same energy?
 

Let's be real. 

[Sun]

4 minutes ago, Moloko Plus said:

 

this is antisemitic LOSER behavior no matter which way you try to twist it

Hiding her face like they hide behind their keyboards

[GhostBox]

8 minutes ago, Communion said:

Do the "harassed Jewish students" include people besides Republican provocateurs? I am not shocked a Biden supporter finds himself siding with Zionist Republicans whose profiles are full of white supremacist talking points like claiming DEI and affirmative action policies are racist. 

 

 

Big mask off moment for you to openly side with pro-Israel Republicans making horrendous arguments like that black and brown students are given special treatment at the expense of Jewish and white students. 

Sharing one tweet doesn't show support of all of their tweets. Just like sometimes I agree with you but you also post stupid stuff. 🤷 The ones I posted are disgusting behavior from these protesters and it shouldn't be hard for you to condemn such behavior.  But for some reason it is. 
that's says more about you than anything. 

 

Here this is how easy it is.

harassment against Palestinians is bad

harassment against Jewish people is bad

neither should be happening and there's no excuses for either. 

Edited April 21 by GhostBox

[Communion]

1 minute ago, Sun said:

if we or our families get killed/kidnapped by terrorists

Hamas' 10/07 attack was literally a strategic military operation to gather as many hostages as possible to then free the thousands of Palestinians held prisoner in Israel under inhumane conditions (as confirmed by the US government itself, who have confirmed reports of mass sexual assaults on Palestinian youth held in Israeli jails).

 

So you agree it was ridiculous to assume Palestinians would sit back and do nothing in response to Israel trying to destroy them and that 10/07 happening is solely the fault of Zionists supporting the continuation of apartheid. 

[Jjang]

2 minutes ago, Sun said:

Good to know the leftie ATRL expectation is for our home countries/governments to do nothing if we or our families get killed/kidnapped by terrorists and promised it will be done so over and over again until an entire religion of humanity is wiped out. 

 

 

and Palestinians shouldn't be able to do something about being indefinitely imprisoned in a concentration camp by Israel while they get bombed over and over and over and over again? 

 

 

 

[Both Sides Now]

It's still crazy to me that Germans murdered 6 million Jews and white people are still claiming that Palestinians are the genocidal bunch 

Oh but it doesn't count because now Germany sends bombs to Israel to drop on thousands of children. Right.  
 

[Sun]

1 minute ago, Communion said:

Hamas' 10/07 attack was literally a strategic military operation to gather as many hostages as possible to then free the thousands of Palestinians held prisoner in Israel under inhumane conditions (as confirmed by the US government itself, who have confirmed reports of mass sexual assaults on Palestinian youth held in Israeli jails).

 

So you agree it was ridiculous to assume Palestinians would sit back and do nothing in response to Israel trying to destroy them and that 10/07 happening is solely the fault of Zionists supporting the continuation of apartheid. 

I thought your several other posts on this forum implied the 10/07 attack was strategized and executed by the Israeli government? Which one is it? 
 

And great! We finally agree with your last point that neither side will sit back and watch while the other swears they won't stop murdering and committing TERRORIST attacks until all Jews are dead. 
 

So, as I said…

 

[Sun]

7 minutes ago, Jjang said:

and Palestinians shouldn't be able to do something about being indefinitely imprisoned in a concentration camp by Israel while they get bombed over and over and over and over again? 

 

 

 

I never said that. They can and they are. But then you're crying to me that more Palestinians are dying than the strongest military in the Middle East  make it make sense. Don't sit here with your "crocodile tears" (your words), while also stating the other side has just as much of a right to defend themselves as Israel does. 
 

Edited April 21 by Sun

[Communion]

2 minutes ago, GhostBox said:

it shouldn't be hard for you to condemn such behavior.

What is it going to take for you to understand no one believes you? That your words mean nothing? You'd be better off simply not typing anything because you actively show you like Joe Biden and thus will defend anything he does no matter the logical fallacies at the heart of your posts. Everyone reading is actively harmed by your posts amounting to disinformation by virtue of you openly rejecting reality and going "whatever Joe Biden says I agree with".

 

"Why is it so hard to condemn?"

 

Show me where in this video - that you supported as equating to violence - the exact timestamp where you think something worthy of condemning occurs: