hungrymuffin Posted April 9 Posted April 9 2 hours ago, drivers license said: hear me out… how about, both points can be true i would have sided with Billie all the way but she did mention artists selling these variants for charts & money & then doing it anyway. it makes her look like a hypocrite. then the buy 3 to get a signed card? girl i'll continue to support her but i can't defend (even if it was Olivia or Lana who said that with the amount of variants they put out, i won't btw) at the same time, eco-friendly products are the way to go if we're going to do it anyway. the jewels and plastic in cd's/cassettes are very awful for the environment (looking at you kpop companies) although let's not act like the cassettes and stuff like that aren't just collectable items. i buy them also, but it's never the preferred music medium for it to be necessary but.. here are the key points some may have missed: - store exclusive vinyls are produced in different locations or factories. if they were gonna make it anyway, why not make it in a fun different colors? no one's forcing anyone to collect all of them if they all have the same contents. - she has nothing much to do with the above store exclusive variants, but her label - they are not producing the exclusive variants with the same amount, so yeah, stop acting like these variants are such a waste compared to the regular black ones - people who collect 3 plus variants are a minority this!!! i dont see anyone calling her out for not using recycled materials, and she should be applauded for adopting this practice, its the unnecessary comment about charts and hungry that people find hypocritical i feel like people are so biased that they only focus on one point when she made several points
DevilsRollTheDice Posted April 9 Posted April 9 I think using recycled material is commendable and should be a practice other artists adopt. However, this is still extreme over consumption and just because material is recycled doesn't mean the production and shipping process isn't generating massive amounts of waste. I LOVE Billie down and will be buying/listening, but I do think this was bad PR on her part. She could've released variants on recycled material without criticizing over consumption and waste so publicly. It is just astonishing to me that she said that quote knowing how many vinyl variants she had in the pipe haha like why do that to yourself. 2
SlimyGhoul Posted April 9 Posted April 9 18 hours ago, olivethetree said: Hypocrite. Recycle or not, it's still generating waste lowkey this...i assume all the gas used to deliver these vinyls is recyclable as well? 6
drivers license Posted April 9 Posted April 9 1 hour ago, hungrymuffin said: this!!! i dont see anyone calling her out for not using recycled materials, and she should be applauded for adopting this practice, its the unnecessary comment about charts and hungry that people find hypocritical i feel like people are so biased that they only focus on one point when she made several points i feel like the best way to have handled or marketed this was just to announce that her current line up of vinyl/cd/cassette would be eco friendly. let it speak for itself instead. it's a whole stanwar that's overshadowing all of this. 2 1
Uzumaki. Posted April 9 Posted April 9 On one note, the materials are recyclable so technically she still has a point. On another note, the real eco-friendly way to do this would really be just not having any variants at all if she really cared about the environment. 1
Sawk Posted April 9 Posted April 9 So many dumbasses in this thread I personally don't like this overabundance of variants that artists are doing nowadays, but if the variants ALL have the same tracklist, she's not being a hypocrite at all. Her original criticism stemmed from the fact that there are artists gatekeeping SONGS on certain editions, Billie didn't do this, she's pressing colorways, but it is the same album, this does NOT incentivize a collector to have all pressings in the same way that omitting certain songs does. If she were to press 50,000 black records it would be the literal same environmental impact as lets say pressings 10,000 blue, 10,000 white, 10,000 yellow, 10,000 red, and 10,000 black. I beg ATRL to use the thinking cap 6 3
duybeeGAshantiGA Posted April 9 Posted April 9 (edited) This girl is a hypocrite and yall are falling for her and the "recycled" mess. It's all pr and gimmicks. At the end of the day it's plain capitalism. Do you think she really cares about that. The whole "recycled" and "environmental" **** are simple part of the album campaign. Edited April 9 by duybeeGAshantiGA 6
duybeeGAshantiGA Posted April 9 Posted April 9 9 minutes ago, Sawk said: So many dumbasses in this thread I personally don't like this overabundance of variants that artists are doing nowadays, but if the variants ALL have the same tracklist, she's not being a hypocrite at all. Her original criticism stemmed from the fact that there are artists gatekeeping SONGS on certain editions, Billie didn't do this, she's pressing colorways, but it is the same album, this does NOT incentivize a collector to have all pressings in the same way that omitting certain songs does. If she were to press 50,000 black records it would be the literal same environmental impact as lets say pressings 10,000 blue, 10,000 white, 10,000 yellow, 10,000 red, and 10,000 black. I beg ATRL to use the thinking cap Then explain the "buying 4-5 same vinyls to have her signature" then 7 1
awesomepossum Posted April 9 Posted April 9 17 hours ago, period sis said: Something she admitted to doing, which is why she makes them Eco-friendly.... aka, her original point. Lovely to see that fanbase hasn't slept over a comment made WEEKS ago that WAS NOT directed toward anybody. Do you seriously not understand that the wasteful part of having variants is having people buy the same thing multiple times? Not whether the variants are made from recycled materials are not. They still have to be manufactured in a factory and shipped. It is obviously more wasteful to buy the same album 9 times versus buying it once. DUH. And others have already pointed out that these 'eco-friendly' versions aren't really even 'recycled,' they're just made from regrind. 4
awesomepossum Posted April 9 Posted April 9 (edited) 15 hours ago, OrgVisual said: #SwiftiesLearnHowToReadChallenge It's about all of us trying to do better by buying 9 copies of the same same physical album? Let's all save the planet and not buy any copies of her album, k? Edited April 9 by awesomepossum 1 1
Poxy Posted April 9 Posted April 9 2 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said: This thread having one page for each vinyl BRB, gonna print this thread out on recycled paper 6
Strawberry Bubble Posted April 9 Posted April 9 the environmental claim IS a marketing strategy. We knew it all along
swissman Posted April 9 Posted April 9 She has a point with it being recycled, but NINE is quite a lot to release after you made a big thing about artists being greedy for sales. Even if it created exactly ZERO more pollution to do nine vs. one, or even a thousand vs. one vinyl type, just the optics of releasing NINE variations after calling others greedy is not a good look, and not really thought through considering I imagine this was the plan when the interview was made. 1
Oktober Knight Posted April 9 Posted April 9 56 minutes ago, Uzumaki. said: On one note, the materials are recyclable so technically she still has a point. On another note, the real eco-friendly way to do this would really be just not having any variants at all if she really cared about the environment. I mean.... The wax is already made and just melted again.
olivethetree Posted April 9 Posted April 9 1 hour ago, Sawk said: So many dumbasses in this thread I personally don't like this overabundance of variants that artists are doing nowadays, but if the variants ALL have the same tracklist, she's not being a hypocrite at all. Her original criticism stemmed from the fact that there are artists gatekeeping SONGS on certain editions, Billie didn't do this, she's pressing colorways, but it is the same album, this does NOT incentivize a collector to have all pressings in the same way that omitting certain songs does. If she were to press 50,000 black records it would be the literal same environmental impact as lets say pressings 10,000 blue, 10,000 white, 10,000 yellow, 10,000 red, and 10,000 black. I beg ATRL to use the thinking cap Eilish: We live in this day and age where, for some reason, it's very important to some artists to make all sorts of different vinyl and packaging … which ups the sales and ups the numbers and gets them more money and gets them more… Also Eilish: buy 3 copies of my vinyls to get one signed copy Maybe YOU put on your thinking cap? 1 2
Blue Rose Posted April 9 Posted April 9 4 hours ago, Gaia said: Kpop does it the way you're describing and it 100% incentivizes people to buy multiple copies hoping for the one they want. People buy dozens on copies of Kpop albums because incentives are randomized Except Coldplay didn't have any incentive. They just said these are our vinyls, you won't know what color you'll get. There were nothing else in the vinyls, no new song, no new pics. The color you're looking for might not even be made. Anyone who bought multiple copies did it on their own accord. And I don't remember seeing any of their fans do that.
#Beautiful Posted April 9 Posted April 9 On 4/8/2024 at 7:03 PM, mrmayman said: "This Eco-Mix vinyl is 100% recycled compound made of trimmed flash and leftovers from any color which cannot otherwise be reused. These pieces are then recycled and re-used for production of future discs. With Eco-Mix, every disc looks different from the last. All vinyl packaging is made from FSC® certified recycled paper/boards made 100% from post-consumer waste and recycled pre-consumer fibers. The ink used is raw plant-based and water-based dispersion varnish. In place of shrink-wrap, the sleeves are 100% recycled and re-usable. For shipping, all finished goods are packaged and shipped to depots in up to 93% recycled and 100% recyclable shipping boxes." Sticking to her original point! lol and the loser swiftie op thought he was doing something 5
Dragonbeast Posted April 9 Posted April 9 37 minutes ago, #Beautiful said: lol and the loser swiftie op thought he was doing something Just to reiterate what others have said. Using recycled material doesn't mean that there is zero environmental impact. The manufacturing and shipping of the vinyls, recycled materials or not, would create a carbon footprint. Of course, using recycled materials would contribute less. 1
BrokenMachine Posted April 9 Posted April 9 (edited) 22 hours ago, Heldenzeit said: why is it so hard to accept that all our favs are human garbage capitalists? like We accept it and we will drag all of them for that Edited April 9 by BrokenMachine 1
BrokenMachine Posted April 9 Posted April 9 It's irritating to me that we're still at a point where you care that much about your numbers and you care that much about making money 1
Heldenzeit Posted April 9 Posted April 9 35 minutes ago, BrokenMachine said: We accept it and we will drag all of them for that That's the spirit!
Trainwreck Posted April 9 Posted April 9 White pseudo environmentalists will never not be out of touch with what they preach and what they end up doing 1
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