Lovett Posted April 5 Posted April 5 3 hours ago, marky cat said: People saying Bey when she is clearly a machinery controlled and lead by so many people Β BeyoncΓ© is her own manager and label. Stop just saying things for the sake of it... She's arguably one of the least controlled artists in the industry and has been for over a decade now.
PurpleAfrodyte Posted April 5 Posted April 5 Definitely Bey. No other pop star is doing it like her.Β 2 1
goverm3nth0ker Posted April 6 Posted April 6 idk if shes a popstar but miss caroline polachek is the must innovative out there okay 2
Freakshowvato Posted April 6 Posted April 6 On 4/4/2024 at 9:57 AM, Erreur2 La Nature said: I genuinely feel like there isn't anyone, males and females, that is groundbreaking these days. There's no surprise or shock value anymore, we've seen it all and it often comes as desperate or predictable when someone tries to get some spotlight. Nowadays most artists do their thing. They record an album and completely disappear because streaming alone is able to carry them so there's no efforts anymore. this Β however there are innovative and creatively talented artists.
swissman Posted April 6 Posted April 6 On 4/4/2024 at 9:49 AM, Blue Monday said: BeyoncΓ©; she's been shaking the table since self-titled dropped. This. Β To be quite honest, probably no popstar since then has done anything as utterly game-changing insofar as the ways its impact has trickled down to just about every aspect of the music industry. Β We can perhaps look back and say "all that would occur anyway" and that might be true given that sooner-or-later someone would catch onto the true power of digital/streamed music being its instantaneousness, but up until that point popstars and most mainstream musicians were very much still in the traditional 90s template: release leads, announce date of album release, promote, etc. For BeyoncΓ© to provide a proof of concept, not just in one aspect, but several all at once: a surprise drop; a visual album; no related promo; and abundant musical quality that places no hierarchy on the songs themselves (aided by no immediate lead single). We've seen countless artists now repeating what she set forth in one or all of these regards. As mentioned was probably the last truly groundbreaking thing, as it led us from the physical to the digital era. 1 1
swissman Posted April 6 Posted April 6 On 4/4/2024 at 2:12 PM, G.U.Y. said: Not trolling: BeyoncΓ© is a brand, not an artist with a particular vision. Β She is an entrepreneur who hires some of the best producers, choreographers, directors and creatives in general to make collective art under the label "BeyoncΓ©β’". Β "BeyoncΓ©β’", as a collective body of work, is groundbreaking. Β BeyoncΓ© Knowles-Carter is not. First of all, this thread is talking about popstars, so every one mentioned is going to be a brand. Β Second, how is BeyoncΓ© not an artist with a particular vision? You think she assembles producers, choreographs and directors and they all decide what her vision will be, era after era? Not only do all of the people who work with her cosign her as a visionary, but this just doesn't make logical sense. If it were that easy, we would see many peoples (or at least a few) with as impressive an album run as ST to LEMONADE to RENAISSANCEΒ to COWBOY CARTER.Β But we don't, do we? And each one is incredibly "BeyoncΓ©" while also having its own vibe and purpose. Β And it's really funny to say that she as a body of work is groundbreaking, but the ... you know ... person at the centre of it is not. Not only (if true) would that be logically incorrect because as stated, we are talking about popstars which means their entire career of songs, albums, videos, performances, etc. are all to be considered (of which not one has ever executed fully solo), but this statement seeks to downplay BeyoncΓ©: the one common factor in all her work, as if she has contributed nothing. Β A ridiculous take, actually. 2 1
swissman Posted April 6 Posted April 6 On 4/4/2024 at 2:58 PM, G.U.Y. said: I don't consider an artist innovative if the "innovation" that he/she produces does not come primarily from his/her mind (and that is not just doing a briefing about broad concepts or general ideas...). Putting out innovative art created by a team in which you don't have much a say can be cool, but it's almost the same of being famous for your fashion choices while paying an amazing stylist to do the work. P.S.: I would love to watch a full hour interview with BeyoncΓ© about the making of her recent albums. And yet we have examples like Formation, where the song came from a demo and meant to be taken as a sort of female empowerment anthem, but BeyoncΓ© took it and scrapped the verses to write her own, from her mind, and in doing so created the entirety of the song's Black pride themes. And the result became a huge pop culture moment, a ways she addressed both the criticisms of her daughter, of her race, and traced her roots in such a way that signalled the Black Feminism (and much Southern pride) of Lemonade... which by the way is only one of three works to ever win a Peabody by women in the entertainment industry. 1
swissman Posted April 6 Posted April 6 (edited) It's just really ridiculous to claim that BeyoncΓ© is just controlled by others, that she doesn't make her own decisions nor does she come up with her work...she isn't co-writing nor does she co-produce. Β She's made four back-to-back solo albums that all touch upon her personal life in different ways, always sharpening her tools and her artistry along the way, surprising us with the swerves she takes at the expense of commerciality, but no, others came up with those ideas. And yet she's been successful in a big way since 1997, without any major artistic flubs. And you want us to believe that it's all because of a team of collaborators and not BeyoncΓ© herself at the helm? Β Now, let's presume this is the case. That all this did happen. Would it not stand to reason that if they could do all that, that they could do it for others as well? And if so, why haven't others had this run of success let alone the run of artistic merit? What could be the reason that others, basically no one, it seems, have been able to do the same? Is it because they do try, but they're just run by people who care more about sales than artistry, and thus the "choices" made for these other popstars don't push the needle, they just look for easy hits? We know those kinds of popstars don't have a lot of longevity unless they break free from that. And so it begs the question: why would that be different in BeyoncΓ©'s case? If she's some plant, if she's someone whose choices and career has been made by the work of others alone, how could this massive committee come up with her work, and why would the result so often be not-obvious choices? Β Hm... Β Β Edited April 6 by swissman 1
cuteboyzay Posted April 6 Posted April 6 Everyone saying Beyonce and all the pressed a** phΓ‘gs downvoting cause they know it's the RIGHT answerΒ Β Imagine being ugly and pressed LMAOOOO!!! 3 2
Zendayababes Posted April 6 Posted April 6 Artistic? None right now. Β Industrial? Taylor re-recording her entire discog. After being ****** over. 1
WEEKND Posted April 6 Posted April 6 In my opinion Janet Jackson is one. The control narrative isn't anything special and could have easily been about some rich brat wanting to break free but she told her story in a very intelligent way. Self empowerment self respect were things that were very important to her. Rhythm Nation Janet and VR were also big albums with universal messages. It's very hard to make songs about such complex topics and still make a vibrant call to the dance floor. It's been over 30 years and none of the girlies have released a Together Again. Now that's a woman with a vision, with something to say. U come for the bops and stay for the Gospel.Β Β she is respected in this householdΒ 3
Facelessboy Posted April 6 Posted April 6 Justin Timberlake for sure if you look how he was always a bad off the curve & push boundaries. Iconic!Β Β Bey & Justin! 1
swissman Posted April 6 Posted April 6 (edited) 21 hours ago, Lovett said: Β BeyoncΓ© is her own manager and label. Stop just saying things for the sake of it... She's arguably one of the least controlled artists in the industry and has been for over a decade now. this! two very important points. Β even if BeyoncΓ© has a machine behind her (as literally all popstars do), it is not controlled nor led by other people. Β She literally created HER OWN production company which has grown into her own label andΒ she manages herself. Where is this narrative that she's being controlled by others coming from? Is it racism? Is it misogyny? Is it just hate? It's like saying Oprah is not in control of everything she created because she isn't involved in everrrrrrrrrry bit of the process. Β And I know popstars with their own production company or label is not new in the industry, but I don't think any pop-stars production company has been quite as prolific as Parkwood in terms of album making, visual album making, performances, concerts/tours, artistic development (Chloe x Halle's Ungodly Hour era from top to bottom is a masterpiece), etc. Β Β Edited April 6 by swissman 1
JohnWayneHolland Posted April 6 Posted April 6 I feel like the true groundbreaking/innovative artists aren't popstars, if anything the popstars are getting inspired by the alternative/underground artists to create something "different". Β 2
John Slayne Posted April 6 Posted April 6 Madonna is literally changing what it means to age as a woman in industry that's obsessed with youth 3 1
futuresuperstar2023 Posted April 7 Posted April 7 (edited) Racist people don't deserve to live in this world. The notion that Bey is trying to be a white woman is sick. No black woman wants to age like a banana. Black women will always be IT. Report all you want. Edited April 7 by futuresuperstar2023 1 2
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