base talk Which popstar is still truly innovative and groundbreaking?

[Rotunda]

5 minutes ago, thequeenofpopmadonna said:

Madonna of course.

 

Bey?

She's just trying to be a white girl. Sorry. Nothing innovative 

[Adivnoir]

6 hours ago, G.U.Y. said:

Not trolling: Beyoncé is a brand, not an artist with a particular vision.

 

She is an entrepreneur who hires some of the best producers, choreographers, directors and creatives in general to make collective art under the label "Beyoncé™".

 

"Beyoncé™", as a collective body of work, is groundbreaking.

 

Beyoncé Knowles-Carter is not.

Damn yall really gotta be mad to come up with the theories that yall do. 
 

People who have actually worked with her have spoken to her knowledge and genius in her craft. She is an artist and a great business woman as told by the individuals who actually know her and have worked with her. 
 

Every last one of yall in this thread that can't accept what's being told to yall by the ones who have first hand experience actually need help fr lol. 
 

 

[thequeenofpopmadonna]

36 minutes ago, Ya Ya said:

It doesn't change the fact a bit.

Madonna is a rebel and innovator.

Not a safe playing gamer like your girls. 

And still paving the way.

Beyoncé " I wanna follow every footstep of madonna."

Edited April 5 by thequeenofpopmadonna

[Rotunda]

4 minutes ago, thequeenofpopmadonna said:

It doesn't change the fact a bit.

Madonna is a rebel and innovator.

Not a safe playing gamer like your girls. 

And still paving the way.

Beyoncé " I wanna follow every footstep of madonna."

You downvoted my post like half an hour ago, and then it took you 30 minutes to come up with this? 

[Rhythm]

2 hours ago, G.U.Y. said:

You can try to disprove my point, but calling me a liar isn't a rational action. There is huge amount of evidence against Beyoncé, some of them coming directly from a big producer who worked with her several times:

https://americansongwriter.com/beyonce-mary-j-blige-embroiled-in-songwriting-controversy/

And as a "big producer that's worked with her several times", he explicitly validates in the article that she is, indeed, a writer. 

[attention]

the spice girls - revived pop/teen pop in the 90s after the rise of grunge & hip hop in the early 90s, was a group based on individuality unlike countless groups who were matchy matchy prior+their image was not manufactured contrary to belief, plus they wrote their own lyrics

[TROJAN]

8 hours ago, Virgos Groove said:

Saying this with a bunch of K-pop acts in your sig, the joke writes itself

 

The racism 

[Sweetness]

1 hour ago, Ya Ya said:

As a black person I still don't see what's offensive about this? Especially since she did it to herself as well.

Edited April 5 by Sweetness

[dumbsparce]

Kim Petras but most in here lack the intellect to appreciate her.

[PrudenceHCharmed]

ATRL's obsession with songwriting in this thread  maybe they should stan someone like Ryan Tedder, Sia or Diane Warren? 

 

Also, songwriting = Innovation? Writing a love song/break up song over and over again for over two decades (only changing the male characters) sounds innovative to you? 

 

OT: Michael with Thriller video and Beyoncé with this visual film is something that people never done before. Also, nobody really does an album with variety of genre like Lemonade.

Edited April 5 by PrudenceHCharmed

[Vespertine]

Björk and Björk only. I don't know of any other pop girls who have had literal new instruments created to achieve the sounds they want. 

[Into The Void]

Well I mean many try to be innovative and I think trying means alot even if you fail

[ImsoLOUD]

3 hours ago, JoeAg said:

Kate Bush will forever be ahead of her time, even if she's not currently active

this is the real tea

[Nippy'sReceipts]

Madonna. Madame X was criminally underrated . She was calling the establishment out .

 

Beyonce. Also, calls the establishment out .

 

I also think Nicki Minaj is a visionary. People may disagree but I think every album she's done has made an impact. Pink Friday  started a new genre: pop/rap , then Roman Reloaded album with hyperpop, then Pinkprint with pushing Billboard to count streaming which changed the entire industry  , Queen with queen radio ,  and now with PF2 the Gag City campaign. All of these things are visionary imo.

 

Miley Cyrus is also visionary. She took the career Christina used to have and has done it consistently . Changing eras and sounds and inspirations succesfully. It's hard to remember she was once a Disney girl. 
 

 

Edited April 5 by Nippy'sReceipts

[Into The Void]

Charlie Puth is a musical genius who should be an innovator if he tried to not cater to tik tok

[Into The Void]

38 minutes ago, PrudenceHCharmed said:

ATRL's obsession with songwriting in this thread  maybe they should stan someone like Ryan Tedder, Sia or Diane Warren? 

 

Also, songwriting = Innovation? Writing a love song/break up song over and over again for over two decades (only changing the male characters) sounds innovative to you? 

 

OT: Michael with Thriller video and Beyoncé with this visual film is something that people never done before. Also, nobody really does an album with variety of genre like Lemonade.

Songwriting is important too. But you are right it's not everything

[Cheeky]

No one. A lot of them have done groundbreaking and/or innovative things, and some do them earlier in their career and others later. 

 

I can't think of a single artist that's flipped the table everytime. 

[Bencharmer]

Honestly i really can't name a major pop artist that is really innovative.

 

It feels like it's more the alley of alt pop girls like Allie X, Grimes and ofc Robyn, Bjork.

 

But yeah Kate Bush is the Mother of Innovation.

[BANKS]

Madonna… the fact that she's still doing her thing and not conforming to how people believe a typical 65 year-old should behave is innovative af.

 

the GP has given her so much criticism over her age and behavior. one day, it won't be so taboo to be expressive in the way she is at her age. 

[Lovett]

8 hours ago, G.U.Y. said:

You can try to disprove my point, but calling me a liar isn't a rational action. There is huge amount of evidence against Beyoncé, some of them coming directly from a big producer who worked with her several times:

https://americansongwriter.com/beyonce-mary-j-blige-embroiled-in-songwriting-controversy/

You don't have a point to disprove. You're making statements without any evidence, which are directly contradicted by tonnes of writers, producers, artists and creatives who work with her. Beyoncé is well known for how deeply involved she is in every aspect of her art. So for you to say she doesn't have much of a say is factually a lie.

 

What exactly was that link supposed to prove? There are no accusations against Beyoncé in it.  For such a "huge amount of evidence" you sure seem in capable with coming up with any.

[TROPICUM]

bey, duh

lana changed the game for several girlies w her debut

bjork

kate

SOPHIE (argue w the wall, she started an entire movement that's still copied and taken influence from to this day)

 

 

[Jay07]

7 hours ago, thequeenofpopmadonna said:

Madonna of course.

 

Bey?

She's just trying to be a white girl. Sorry. Nothing innovative 

People just open their mouths and say anything in here right? How is Beyonce trying to be white when she has been explicitly centering her Blackness in her work since Self Titled? When the entire point of these projects is reclaiming these genres that were started by Black people? And why would she want to be white? Is white better?

[kataraqueen]

Currently? Billie Eyelash, Doja Cat, Ayesha Erotica, Charli XCX, etc

Edited April 5 by kataraqueen

[marky cat]

Charli XCX, FKA Twigs, SOPHIE, Kali Uchis, Caroline Polachek basically the alt underrated girlies 

People saying Bey when she is clearly a machinery controlled and lead by so many people

Edited April 5 by marky cat

[justin.]

Beyonce, Billie/Finneas, Lana, Charli XCX, Caroline Polachek, etc.