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1 minute ago, AxelFox said:

Everyone that has actually worked with her has praised her for how involved and in control she is with every little aspect and of her music and not only. But ATRL f****t #17489217 knows better for sure. 

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Kylie TM

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Y'all just naming faves so I'll say Christina Aguilera who was actually an innovative and risk-taking pop girl throughout her career

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2 hours ago, G.U.Y. said:

Putting out innovative art created by a team in which you don't have much a say

wild statement to make about a woman who has borderline obsessive control over every facet of her music and career. :deadbanana2: It's so bizarre how comfortable people are with just openly lying on this forum... :rip:

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4 hours ago, G.U.Y. said:

Not trolling: Beyoncé is a brand, not an artist with a particular vision.

 

She is an entrepreneur who hires some of the best producers, choreographers, directors and creatives in general to make collective art under the label "Beyoncé".

 

"Beyoncé", as a collective body of work, is groundbreaking.

 

Beyoncé Knowles-Carter is not.

So you think that someone delivering music, visuals and live shows at that level of excellence doesn't have rock solid vision and artistic direction to actually shape the project into specifically what the initial brief was? It just happens? Others should hire her team and get themselves some of that acclaim, Lord knows they need it.

 

I genuinely don't know if people are delusional, naive or just hateful.

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31 minutes ago, Lovett said:

wild statement to make about a woman who has borderline obsessive control over every facet of her music and career. :deadbanana2: It's so bizarre how comfortable people are with just openly lying on this forum... :rip:

Man, all those writers must be fuming that Beyonce took all their best work and is getting all this acclaim without doing anything. It's weird that all they have to say about her is how hard she works, how involved and how talented she is at putting together HER vision.

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camila cabello instantly came to mind

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innovative musically is hard to say, there's no popular acts I'd say are legitimately making new music. 

 

I think most popstars are more innovative now on the business/industry end of things.

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3 hours ago, G.U.Y. said:
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Mmmm... Writing.

This being considered innovative considering the unspectacular output. I've seen it all :rip: 

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52 minutes ago, Lovett said:

wild statement to make about a woman who has borderline obsessive control over every facet of her music and career. :deadbanana2: It's so bizarre how comfortable people are with just openly lying on this forum... :rip:

You can try to disprove my point, but calling me a liar isn't a rational action. There is huge amount of evidence against Beyoncé, some of them coming directly from a big producer who worked with her several times:

https://americansongwriter.com/beyonce-mary-j-blige-embroiled-in-songwriting-controversy/

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2 minutes ago, Doogle said:

This being considered innovative considering the unspectacular output. I've seen it all :rip: 

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6 minutes ago, G.U.Y. said:

You can try to disprove my point, but calling me a liar isn't a rational action. There is huge amount of evidence against Beyoncé, some of them coming directly from a big producer who worked with her several times:

https://americansongwriter.com/beyonce-mary-j-blige-embroiled-in-songwriting-controversy/

Did you actually read this article? It contains NO evidence and the producer never accuses Beyonce of anything, stop spreading misinformation and lies to support this bizarre vendetta you have in your head. 

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7 minutes ago, Jay07 said:

Did you actually read this article? It contains NO evidence and the producer never accuses Beyonce of anything, stop spreading misinformation and lies to support this bizarre vendetta you have in your head. 

There is no personal vendetta. Look at the behavior of some of her fans when anybody deliver any criticism against her work...

 

It's not personal, and you have to deal with the fact that Beyoncé can be freely criticized everywhere.

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4 hours ago, G.U.Y. said:

Not trolling: Beyoncé is a brand, not an artist with a particular vision.

 

She is an entrepreneur who hires some of the best producers, choreographers, directors and creatives in general to make collective art under the label "Beyoncé".

 

"Beyoncé", as a collective body of work, is groundbreaking.

 

Beyoncé Knowles-Carter is not.

Other artists do the same yet flop and the quality isn't there, why is that? Why can Beyonce do it, but others can't. Explain

 

Maybe others should hire more too since their material has been lacking for years. 

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1 minute ago, G.U.Y. said:

There is no personal vendetta. Look at the behavior of some of her fans when anybody deliver any criticism against her work...

 

It's not personal, and you have to deal with the fact that Beyoncé can be freely criticized everywhere.

Not with lies, sorry. The producer was making a hypothetical about any megastar in Beyonce's position, he didn't say anything about Beyonce at all, let alone offer evidence (not to mention he last worked with her 15 years ago).

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Caca is innovative 

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1 minute ago, Shelter said:

Maybe others should hire more

Maybe this is some good piece of advice.

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12 minutes ago, G.U.Y. said:

Maybe this is some good piece of advice.

And the other bit? 

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10 hours ago, Virgos Groove said:

Beyoncé is still pushing herself 28 years into her career when she could've been rehashing CIL/SL and doing greatest hits tours. That's genuinely commendable.

I don't know why anyone would downvote this comment. She could but she didn't as she is consistently trying to set the bar up and that's why she's looked upon as a legend. 

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Just now, BrandNewBrandon said:

I don't know why anyone would downvote this comment. She could but she didn't as she is consistently trying to set the bar up and that's why she's looked upon as a legend. 

What can I say? Truth hurts.

 

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Kate Bush will forever be ahead of her time, even if she's not currently active

 

but if we're really sticking to the "active" fixture then Kesha 100%. she REALLY knows how to bring her influences into strange territories

 

if we're considering them popstars somehow, St. Vincent and Caroline Polachek deserve their flowers as well

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10 hours ago, Mornings said:

The only one really shifting pop culture sonically and visually is doja. She's really not following anyone in the current music scene. 
 

Beyonce is making a country album that sounds just like all her other albums with some banjo in the background. 

I agree

 

Doja is the only one pushing the envelope

 

Everyone else plays it safe.

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Madonna of course.

 

Bey?

She's just trying to be a white girl. Sorry. Nothing innovative 

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Doja Cat has more than once showcased beautiful creativity in my opinion 

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