celeb news Billie Eilish drags artists releasing different vinyls for numbers and money

[The Music Industry]

35 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said:

when an act has nothing left to prove and the quality of the output is lacking, it leaves the sense that it's just about cooperate greed

But you were quoting a post about Taylor Swift. So when was the quality lacking, objectively? When she released her two most acclaimed studio albums (folklore and evermore)? When she won the most prestigious award in the music industry for a record-breaking fourth time (Midnights)? And who decides that she has nothing left to prove? What if he her goal is to become the best-selling artist of all time? 

 

Y'all seriously need to stop getting your panties wet over artists striving and working to be successful. 

[dirrtydiana]

1 hour ago, HappierJealousy said:

but it only matters for you when it comes to Taylor

?

 

I didn't mention her nor think of her

 

im sorry the shoe fit 

[qurl]

that "ME!” was nasty work  

[Jay07]

2 hours ago, The Music Industry said:

But you were quoting a post about Taylor Swift. So when was the quality lacking, objectively? When she released her two most acclaimed studio albums (folklore and evermore)? When she won the most prestigious award in the music industry for a record-breaking fourth time (Midnights)? And who decides that she has nothing left to prove? What if he her goal is to become the best-selling artist of all time? 

 

Y'all seriously need to stop getting your panties wet over artists striving and working to be successful. 

Yeah, if your goal is still to sell the most after being a billionaire, that's called greed. It's exactly what Billie is calling out.

[FolkLover1989]

1 minute ago, Jay07 said:

Yeah, if your goal is still to sell the most after being a billionaire, that's called greed. It's exactly what Billie is calling out.

So Beyonce as well

Didn't Bey have multiple editions that too frauded of album that got changed lol

[dirrtydiana]

24 minutes ago, FolkLover1989 said:

So Beyonce as well

Didn't Bey have multiple editions that too frauded of album that got changed lol

Beyonce doesn't even do visuals anymore. They're not the same, hun

[Jay07]

28 minutes ago, FolkLover1989 said:

So Beyonce as well

Didn't Bey have multiple editions that too frauded of album that got changed lol

I don't understand what this means. Frauded of album that got changed? 

Edited April 1 by Jay07

[suburbannature]

53 minutes ago, qurl said:

that "ME!” was nasty work  

that really was some 90s diva level shade gotta give her that  

[Roger21]

4 minutes ago, Jay07 said:

I don't understand what this means. Frauded of album that got changed? 

Here you go:

https://atrl.net/forums/topic/471134-cowboy-carter-cds-and-vinyls-are-missing-tracks-fans-asking-for-refunds/

[Bey'Knight]

7 hours ago, ariesgroove said:

 

 

yall need to start reading so badly 

 

Please stop patronising us. We read and heard her loud and clear. The industry is not the reason why she released cassette tapes and recently as last year for a single so she could clench no1 on the UK charts. If she wants to see changes, she can start herself. The only reason anyone releases variants is cus they know the most rabid of their fanbase will cop them all. Her statement was hypocritical at worst, disingenuous at best. 

[Jay07]

I'm sorry, are we really bringing up Beyonce in a thread about greed? The woman has been prioritizing her artistry for more than a decade and has told everyone so. Surprise drops, pulling her albums off Spotify, not even releasing visuals because she thinks they're not up to par. Frankly, the fact that she was working on her album a few days before the release shows how intricate and exhausting work it is. Her albums are decidedly uncommercial and take 5 years to make. Certain artists that put out 4 mid albums a year just to have consumable product can't relate.

 

Also, my understanding is there are only 4 variants of Cowboy Carter.

Edited April 1 by Jay07

[Bey'Knight]

5 hours ago, dumbsparce said:

The difference between Billie and Taylor is that Billie still has a long way to go before she can say no to her label's practices whereas Taylor pretty much can do whatever the hell she wants (she earned it) so her having 493929 variants was probably her very own idea. That's why ppl took it as a personal attack to the ME! chanteuse.

Um no … if Lorde can say no, so can Billie. She just wants to eat her cake and have it too. Billie has never not shilled out products to her fanbases since her debut album. I don't know who she thinks she's fooling with these hollow statements. There are artists who actually walk the walk and she's not one of them. I love her music but her personality is stuck in an angsty not-like-the-girls tumblr circa '15 rut. Olivia is more mature tbh. 

 

[Janet]

Interested to see how many physical copies Billie prints for her next era. She's really shot herself in the foot with this lol

[idleavealone]

aaaaand, some of your guys' takes are still as stupid as ever, shocker

[Feanor]

2 hours ago, dirrtydiana said:

Beyonce doesn't even do visuals anymore. They're not the same, hun

They are exactly the same as both artists offer their albums in multiple physical variants. Visuals have no correlation with the fact that you can 'TTPD' or 'COWBOY CARTER' with 4 different vinyl versions.

 

2 hours ago, Jay07 said:

I'm sorry, are we really bringing up Beyonce in a thread about greed? The woman has been prioritizing her artistry for more than a decade and has told everyone so. Surprise drops, pulling her albums off Spotify, not even releasing visuals because she thinks they're not up to par. Frankly, the fact that she was working on her album a few days before the release shows how intricate and exhausting work it is. Her albums are decidedly uncommercial and take 5 years to make. Certain artists that **** out 4 mid albums a year just to have consumable product can't relate.

 

Also, my understanding is there are only 4 variants of Cowboy Carter.

She can prioritize her artistry while also employing the same greedy tactics that have been called out by Billie Eilish. These two things not mutually exclusive.

In fact she has proven that she has no issues sacrificing her artistry and undermining the body of work she released by putting out a trimmed and different version of it on vinyl so that she could have those first week sales in time to boost her chart numbers.

So yes, Beyoncé is a perfect example to bring up in a thread about greed, just like every other artist doing vinyl versions (which is almost the entire industry).

[Jay07]

23 minutes ago, Feanor said:

They are exactly the same as both artists offer their albums in multiple physical variants. Visuals have no correlation with the fact that you can 'TTPD' or 'COWBOY CARTER' with 4 different vinyl versions.

 

She can prioritize her artistry while also employing the same greedy tactics that have been called out by Billie Eilish. These two things not mutually exclusive.

In fact she has proven that she has no issues sacrificing her artistry and undermining the body of work she released by putting out a trimmed and different version of it on vinyl so that she could have those first week sales in time to boost her chart numbers.

So yes, Beyoncé is a perfect example to bring up in a thread about greed, just like every other artist doing vinyl versions (which is almost the entire industry).

You realize all things are not black and white right and there are levels to everything right? Saying the entire industry is greedy because they all put out vinyl is such extreme deflection and whataboutism that... well makes perfect sense from a fanbase that bends over backwards to defend ecoterrorism. It's not a coincidence there's only Swifties flailing wildly in here when as you said, everyone puts out vinyl but putting out multiple time limited variants with exclusive songs is an extra level of ruthless greed, especially when it's done multiple times a year. The irony being that among Beyonce fans, it's been a joke for years how she constantly sabotages herself and could have had multiple smash hits in the past decade if she cared just a little and decided to play the game (Formation, Drunk in Love). Like just take the L on this one and admit your fave is notoriously obsessed with sales and chart positions, her discount and remix shenanigans are clowned in here on the daily, are you really pretending to not be aware?

 

PS. Are you suggesting Beyonce should have buried 50,000 vinyl in a landfill somewhere because she kept messing with the tracklist until the last minute? Do you realize how wasteful and non-enviroment friendly that would be? I know you don't care but she probably does and knowing her, she will make it up to her fans down the line. 

Edited April 1 by Jay07

[istan4badgalriri]

well she's right ?

[Feanor]

Just now, Jay07 said:

You realize all things are not black and white right and there are levels to everything right? Saying the entire industry is greedy because they all put out vinyl is such extreme deflection and whataboutism that...

There is no black and white way of looking at this. Pretending there is is the extreme deflection you talk about.

Vinyl versions are harmful for the environment, even just one version is. This is why Billie has called out the entire industry, because the entire industry is greedy. By singling out any specific artist you are literally ignoring the industry-wide problem that she is addressing.

 

Just now, Jay07 said:

well makes perfect sense from a fanbase that bends over backwards to defend ecoterrorism. It's not a coincidence there's only Swifties flailing wildly in here when as you said, everyone puts out vinyl

There are 16 pages of responses here and the vast majority of comments as well as reactions to comments disagreeing with or calling out Billie for her statements are by users with no Swift-related avis or user names. So perhaps it's time to put on some reading glasses and face the reality at hand instead of hallucinating Swifties in every corner.

 

Just now, Jay07 said:

but putting out multiple variants with exclusive songs is an extra level of ruthless greed, especially when it's done multiple times a year.

It isn't any more or less greedy than offering alternative covers, backcovers, vinyl sleeve pictures, splatter-painted booklets, different disc colors etc.

These are all the "unique things" Billie talked about that only exist to incentivize consumers to buy their vinyl variants.

 

Just now, Jay07 said:

The irony being that among Beyonce fans, it's been a joke for years how she constantly sabotages herself and could have had multiple smash hits in the past decade if she cared just a little and decided to play the game (Formation, Drunk in Love). Like just take the L on this one and admit your fave is notoriously obsessed with sales and chart positions, her discount and remix shenanigans are clowned in here on the daily, are you really pretending to not be aware?

In case you have forgotten, we are in the 2020s now and in this decade Beyoncé is participating in the industry's obsession with sales and charts by offering her albums with multiple variants, each offering a "unique thing", and dropping remixes, instrumentals or acapella versions of her songs to boost their chart positions. Beyoncé in present time is just as "notoriously obsessed with sales and chart positions" as the rest of the industry, because she's participating in the exact same tactics.

 

Just now, Jay07 said:

PS. Are you suggesting Beyonce should have buried 50,000 vinyl in a landfill somewhere because she kept messing with the tracklist until the last minute? Do you realize how wasteful and non-enviroment friendly that would be? I know you don't care but she probably does and knowing her, she will make it up to her fans down the line. 

You know that there's a word called transparency right?

No one is saying she should have gotten rid of the already produced inventory, but she advertised an unfinished product and promised features that weren't ultimately delivered and why? Because she wants those sales for her first week debut, which goes back to her not being any more or less greedy than every other major-label, or even indie, artist out there.

[Feanor]

On 3/28/2024 at 9:59 PM, Feanor said:

And Beyoncé, Bruce Springsteen and Paul McCartney all tried to scam the charts with their recent albums as well, offering multiple different vinyl versions. And all of them have been veterans longer than Taylor has. So why is it not an issue for them?

On 3/28/2024 at 10:04 PM, Jay07 said:

Who said it isn't?

Interesting how just a few days ago, veterans like Beyoncé scamming charts with vinyl variants was an issue too, and now suddenly there are all these excuses that are somewhat only an issue for another artist.

[Jay07]

I don't understand what your point is. That the music *business* is about making money? Yeah sure but there's putting out variants like everyone does and there's having extreme exploitative tactics like time limiting them and spreading out exclusive material that should be in one deluxe version. Only one person is doing that and it's not Beyonce. You can try to deflect and gaslight as much as you want, but you can't change reality.

[Jay07]

6 minutes ago, Feanor said:

Interesting how just a few days ago, veterans like Beyoncé scamming charts with vinyl variants was an issue too, and now suddenly there are all these excuses that are somewhat only an issue for another artist.

I literally just addressed that before you even thought you did something. But I appreciate you going back days to attempt to score a point. God works hard on Easter but Taylor's PR team works harder.

[Feanor]

3 minutes ago, Jay07 said:

I don't understand what your point is. That the music *business* is about making money? Yeah sure but there's putting out variants like everyone does and there's having extreme exploitative tactics like time limiting them and spreading out exclusive material that should be in one deluxe version. Only one person is doing that and it's not Beyonce. You can try to deflect and gaslight as much as you want, but you can't change reality.

Instead, Beyoncé also offers limited edition vinyl versions, which contain exclusive materials as well, but don't even have the full album or printed inner sleeves, although they have been marketed as having them. If you need to deceive your consumers, then that's also an extreme exploitative tactic, so let's stop acting like Beyoncé is above these greedy strategies when the "reality" is that she isn't.

[Jay07]

Just now, Feanor said:

Instead, Beyoncé also offers limited edition vinyl versions, which contain exclusive materials as well, but don't even have the full album or printed inner sleeves, although they have been marketed as having them. If you need to deceive your consumers, then that's also an extreme exploitative tactic, so let's stop acting like Beyoncé is above these greedy strategies when the "reality" is that she isn't.

Why would Beyonce need to deceive anyone? This was obviously a mistake because of the long lead time to manufacture vinyl and probably not clearing samples in time. She didn't weaponize FOMO to immorally exploit her own fans. It's a completely false equivalence and deflection tactic. Like I understand you're desperately trying to grasp at straws to defend Taylor but I fail to see how the two situations are in any way similar. If anything, she could have advertised is as a "special Beyince edition" and then sell them the complete one later but she will probably issue an extra vinyl with the extra songs and ship it for free because that's just the integrity she has, unlike others.

[Gui Blackout]

Her response only made her look like an even bigger hypocrite

 

"multiple variants is big industry issue... and yes I'm a part of it!"

 

...ok? so either stop doing it and lead by example or shut the **** up

[Feanor]

26 minutes ago, Jay07 said:

Why would Beyonce need to deceive anyone? This was obviously a mistake because of the long lead time to manufacture vinyl and probably not clearing samples in time. She didn't weaponize FOMO to immorally exploit her own fans. It's a completely false equivalence and deflection tactic. Like I understand you're desperately trying to grasp at straws to defend Taylor but I fail to see how the two situations are in any way similar.

A mistake that she didn't feel the need to communicate to her consumers? She and her team knew for months that the vinyl wouldn't have the full album or features that they promised in the product description (like the printed vinyl sleeves) and had all the time in the world to warn consumers of the product's missing contents, but decided not to, on top off marketing them as limited editions. So yes, Beyoncé did weaponize FOMO and exploited her own fans by offering them an exclusive edition of her album, very well knowing that they wouldn't get what she promised to sell them. That is deception 101 and you trying to create excuses for the fact that no one knew they'd be getting a trimmed down version of her album only makes you yourself look like you're desperately trying to grasp at straws to defend Beyoncé's participation in the industry's greedy tactics. She isn't any better or worse than Taylor Swift. 

 

26 minutes ago, Jay07 said:

If anything, she could have advertised is as a "special Beyince edition" and then sell them the complete one later

Could've, would've, should've. At the end of the day she did not advertise it that way and instead gave her fans an album with multiple tracks missing without telling them so.

 

26 minutes ago, Jay07 said:

but she will probably issue an extra vinyl with the extra songs and ship it for free because that's just the integrity she has, unlike others.

Didn't you just say that she shouldn't have buried the faulty vinyl versions? 

1 hour ago, Jay07 said:

PS. Are you suggesting Beyonce should have buried 50,000 vinyl in a landfill somewhere because she kept messing with the tracklist until the last minute? Do you realize how wasteful and non-enviroment friendly that would be? I know you don't care but she probably does and knowing her, she will make it up to her fans down the line. 

So now you do want her to print out a new batch of 100k+ vinyl albums all over again and ship them to fans again, as if transportation isn't a big reason for CO2 emissions? Did you just forget how wasteful that would be for the environment? So one second Beyoncé does care for the environment and the next she doesn't, depending on how you can twist that argument to attack other artists.

 

Edited April 1 by Feanor