Dante Silva Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 Two entirely separate political situations developed in the background that led to why she could no longer call upon Bonnie McKee and why it would also have been unacceptable for her to continue working with Lukas Gottwald. Despite these factors, she was contractually obliged to continue to meet studio album deadlines by Capitol but with a smaller, less talented pool of songwriters to collaborate with. Max Martin also became burnt out at one point, so she effectively lost three major songwriters who had previously supplied her with what are considered by many to be her classic tunes. I'm confident she has been gone long enough for both her and Gregg Kurstin to have since sourced various other, newer, quality 'pop' writers (alongside the potential return of Bonnie) and that both Katy and her current team of creatives are working very hard behind the scenes to re-establish the level of quality control she was once known for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TROJAN Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 The kats are insufferable so yes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimbo Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 Yes. She lacks artistry and they're full of filler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Grande Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 Yes. It was fast food music at best back then, and it aged accordingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ugo Posted March 23 Author Share Posted March 23 2 hours ago, ImsoLOUD said: No. Teenage Dream alone has more quality/impact than some recent pop albums with higher scores. What impact exactly ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopKills Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 2 hours ago, ugo said: Why does teenage dream deserve acclaim ? Apart from the hit singles what does it offer as an album ? The themes seem to be all over the place What do you mean? She explores the whole teenage experience on the album, even though the song order is a bit messy. It serves pop perfection songs about celebrating youth, that are as sweet and fluffy as cotton candy and at the same time goes into deeper themes of that time of life like identity crisis or drug abuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopKills Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Le Grande said: Yes. It was fast food music at best back then, and it aged accordingly. Accordingly = having some of the biggest and most remembered pop classics of all time that still get played and are beloved everywhere? Edited March 23 by PopKills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImsoLOUD Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 1 hour ago, ugo said: What impact exactly ? Quote Retrospective reviews have praised the album, ranking it on multiple decade-end best albums lists. Billboard named Teenage Dream "one of the defining LPs from a new golden age in mega-pop". Quote The album and its singles earned Perry seven Grammy Award nominations including Album of the Year, Best Pop Vocal Album, and Record of the Year. Quote Teenage Dream came to have a good time and to hit it really, really big. "Teenage Dream," "Last Friday Night," "California Gurls," "Firework" and "E.T."—five No. 1 songs in a row. Some pop stars spend their whole lives trying to put together a string of hits that amount to a lasting legacy; Katy Perry did it in the first 15 minutes. This album is a crowning achievement. Quote uDiscover Music wrote that the album "holds an outsized influence on pop music landscape and the many artists she helped inspire" and that it along with the "Teenage Dream" song "lives on as a nostalgic spectacle that set the course for the pop icon's aesthetic". VH1called Teenage Dream "the most important pop album of the last 10 years" and added "it surged a blend of silliness into the dance genre that had been dominated by Lady Gaga's Fame Monster edge". Quote In an interview for Apple Music for her album If I Can't Have Love, I Want Power, American singer-songwriter Halsey called Teenage Dream the "perfect pop album", saying: "Anyone who's trying to make a perfect pop album is wasting their time because Katy already did it with Teenage Dream." 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiliam Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 No, i dont get why Dua, Gaga get praised and Katy get panned. Especially Katy 1st two albums are perfection and aged much better than other pop girlies albums released at the same time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueberries Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 yes, she is one of the few pop girls that critics give accurate ratings without being blinded by 'poptimism' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvadaKedavra Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 They just hate her. I seen really generic pop albums with critical acclaim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futuresuperstar2023 Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 (edited) No she doesn't. Her albums aren't really bad. It's just that her singles be so good while her tracks be basic. Edited March 24 by futuresuperstar2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raisetheroof Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 (edited) 16 hours ago, ugo said: Witness and smile were released under poptimism though. Maybe she's just untalented. Notice how my comment mentions only Prism and Teenage Dream by name. The 58 and 53 metacritic scores received by Smile and Witness, respectively, make TD's score - 52 - an even more outrageous travesty in comparison. TD and Prism, on the whole, were thematically cohesive, compared to the scattered mess of Witness. Especially on Prism she showcased some depth and maturity, compared to her last two efforts which - on the whole - were quite shallow and superficial. When considering that the latter two of her albums were promoted as music with a meaningful message, it makes the lack of depth in comparison to Prism even more glaring. The latter two albums also just in general saw a dip in production but, most of all, songwriting. So, yes, your comment just proves my point; the scores received by her later albums further goes to show that her earlier work is extremely underappreciated due to critical biases at the time. Edited March 24 by raisetheroof Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elusive Chanteuse Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 Yes but she has great singles and can turn out a cute vocal at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goaty Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 She'll be given her flowers for TD eventually. Acclaim can be given retroactively Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1989 Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 No, she doesn't. Katy has never been an "albums artist" — even her best two albums have a few skips—but she's also never deserved to be as panned as she has been, especially when you consider how critics treat some other pure pop artists. And for what it's worth, all five of her albums do have more good tracks than bad, it's just some of the bad tracks are awful. She doesn't have an album with only one or two decent songs though, which is more than I can say for some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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