Communion Posted March 15 Posted March 15 (edited) 8 hours ago, If U Seek Amy said: I mean that is sorta the job of any party against opposition? Why is this a surprise? It's a bit hypocritical to say you find the GOP anti-democratic but then work to do things like the Dems have done like try to pass laws barring the Green Party from appearing on ballots. It's one thing to simply try to take their voters via policy. It's a completely different thing to use a group's power to do things like try to get a party's signatures thrown out to deny them ballot access. Thousands of people work to get a political party on a state's ballot because they believe in elections. Dems can't say voting is important but then do things like this. It shows me they don't actually think voting is sacred. Edited March 15 by Communion 2
byzantium Posted March 15 Posted March 15 3 hours ago, Twixters said: Trump also supports it so wtf are y’all talking about either way you voting for it lol No one is talking about voting for Trump. 1
Vermillion Posted March 15 Posted March 15 Reading this entire thread all I keep thinking is it’d be great to have an actually decent third-party candidate. As of now I can’t stand really anyone running.
CottageHore Posted March 15 Posted March 15 The two party system is killing us and they’re gonna do everything they can to make sure they can keep killing us with it. Partisan politics limits the American people and posits the same white wealthy male politicians it always has. Eventually, we’re going to all start voting 3rd party if we want to see any real change but y’all are never ready to have that conversation. It’s always “we can’t do that for THIS election. We need to vote for the lesser of two evils”. And we wonder why nothing ever changes and just keeps getting considerably worse as we vacillate between a shitty Republican President and a shitty Democrat President. 1
Mean Trees Posted March 15 Posted March 15 9 hours ago, shimind said: 2016 all over again. Biden getting the "but her emails" treatment from looney liberals will make sure this is a repeat of 2016. So either u guys suck it up and vote for biden for the greater good or repent once trump is elected A genocide enabler is the ''greater good''? I swear to goodness, people don't even hear themselves. 1 1 2
CottageHore Posted March 15 Posted March 15 8 hours ago, GhostBox said: If you vote 3rd party you’re just helping Trump. Sorry it’s a fact. You just don’t care what will happen if Trump wins. Nothing else to it. This is such a docile and hopeless mindset. It’s also very privileged. You’re doing and saying exactly what they want you to do and say. This is why the two party system was invented and why we’ll never be free from it. You leave no room for discussion, consideration, or nuance of a third option. Some of us can’t compartmentalize morality. Putting a stamp of approval on a president who is actively supporting mass genocide on a marginalized group of people with our tax dollars is disgusting and shameful, but y’all will try to combat that cognitive dissonance by saying “there’s no other option but to vote for Biden or Trump” when that is literally… not true. 5
GardenPanty Posted March 15 Posted March 15 Yeah Trump is obviously going to win. Shame that the Democrats can't get their act together and choose a good candidate to run against him
Sannie Posted March 15 Posted March 15 Lol at this fanfiction. These primaries have shown that there are no real third-party candidates worth caring about.
ATRL Administrator Ryan Posted March 15 ATRL Administrator Posted March 15 10 hours ago, Gov Hooka said: “Other options are worse” when Biden has detained and deported more migrants, completed the border wall, bargained to get rid of asylum, increased fed funding to police hires, increased military budget, continued to approve oil/gas drilling permits on fed land, and idk ENABLED A ******* GENOCIDE!!! “Nonsense protest votes” is the kind of rhetoric that only comes from libs who don’t give a **** about Palestinian lives. I‘m not arguing these hysterics. Fuck it. When Trump gets back in and deports all the Muslims and Palestinian supporters don’t come online bitching about “omg how could this happen”. You reap what you sow. 2 7
Thesedays Posted March 15 Posted March 15 2 hours ago, Sannie said: Lol at this fanfiction. These primaries have shown that there are no real third-party candidates worth caring about. Wtf does a primary have to do with a third-party candidate?
If U Seek Amy Posted March 15 Posted March 15 6 hours ago, Communion said: It's a bit hypocritical to say you find the GOP anti-democratic but then work to do things like the Dems have done like try to pass laws barring the Green Party from appearing on ballots. It's one thing to simply try to take their voters via policy. It's a completely different thing to use a group's power to do things like try to get a party's signatures thrown out to deny them ballot access. Thousands of people work to get a political party on a state's ballot because they believe in elections. Dems can't say voting is important but then do things like this. It shows me they don't actually think voting is sacred. Where did I say I found the GOP anti democratic for this? And for that matter where did I say democrats are being pro democracy? I’m simply saying a political party’s goal is to defeat opposition?
If U Seek Amy Posted March 15 Posted March 15 12 hours ago, GraceRandolph said: Biden just asked Trump to work with him to pass TRUMP's border agenda. Yes. Trying to compromise to try to create solutions is the democrats not going after republicans in every and all instances. That’s what you’re implying. Do you realize how dumb this sounds? We need compromise to get things done. Whether or not you agree with the issue or solution is another matter. But if everyone just says no unless they get absolutely what they want then just dismantle the democracy and enforce an authoritarian regime 💀 serving extremist far right beliefs. Like I get hating the system. But if your goal is to make the system work solely for you, you’re gonna live a life of anger and hate and disappointment so just give up on it now 😂 1 2
Sergi91 Posted March 15 Posted March 15 Everyone knows voting third party in swing states automatically gives us Trump. Don’t act brand new when Trump gets reelected and enables: •Project25 •Appoints more ultra conservative Supreme Court justices + federal judges •Massive deportation •Reinstates Muslim Ban •Gets rid of LGBT protections 1
Communion Posted March 15 Posted March 15 3 hours ago, Sannie said: Lol at this fanfiction. These primaries have shown that there are no real third-party candidates worth caring about. "There are worthy third party candidates running in the Democratic primary" ....Huh?
Communion Posted March 15 Posted March 15 1 hour ago, If U Seek Amy said: Yes. Trying to compromise to try to create solutions is the democrats not going after republicans in every and all instances. That’s what you’re implying. Do you realize how dumb this sounds? We need compromise to get things done. The US doesn't actually need to send anyone military aid and deciding to push far-right immigration policies as the "comprpmsie" to get so is idiotic. You literally are out of your depth here.
CandleGuy Posted March 15 Posted March 15 15 hours ago, Thesedays said: Do these people who regret not voting for Hillary Clinton exist? Or are they just a figment of liberals' imaginations? Cause I hear a lot of "YOU GUYS DID NOT VOTE FOR HILLARY AND REGRETTED" from loyalist Dems, but I never actually met someone that actually regretted not voting for her. I know people that did not want to vote for her and still did but I mean, these people still voted for her anyway. The ones that did not don't really regret it. Do people regret losing federal abortion rights and having the Supreme Court be conservative for decades to come? Do people not understand the implications of Hillary's loss? 1
Gov Hooka Posted March 15 Posted March 15 (edited) 3 hours ago, Ryan said: I‘m not arguing these hysterics. **** it. When Trump gets back in and deports all the Muslims and Palestinian supporters don’t come online bitching about “omg how could this happen”. You reap what you sow. You’re a ******* clown. You can’t argue because both your comments are complete nonsense and can’t refute the basic facts on what the Biden admin DID do. All y’all do is spew garbage about what Trump *could* do to deflect. The Venn diagram between shitlibs like you who feign concern about deportations (because you already don’t give a **** that Genocide Joe is doing MORE deportations) and then don’t give a **** about Palestinian genocide is a goddamn circle. Just like during the Trump admin the SAME people leading the charge in social movements are the SAME people ringing the alarm for how utterly atrocious the Biden admin and Dems are right now. So I’m not surprised to see your disgusting “reap what you sow” comment about Trump since you can’t even be bothered to reckon with Biden. Enjoy your genocidal trash candidate and party. The rest of us will continue to care about these issues regardless of which colored fascist is in the White House, since we all know folks like you couldn’t be bothered to care either way. Edited March 15 by Gov Hooka 3 1
LIT Posted March 15 Posted March 15 4 hours ago, Ryan said: I‘m not arguing these hysterics. **** it. When Trump gets back in and deports all the Muslims and Palestinian supporters don’t come online bitching about “omg how could this happen”. You reap what you sow. The idea that Palestinian Americans, Arab Americans, Muslim Americans, etc. who don't vote for Joe Biden would be "reaping what they sow" in the event of worsened state repression or mass deportations is...pretty sick, honestly. This doesn't seem like a very effective strategy for motivating voters to choose your candidate, either: "Shut up already about the Gaza genocide! Vote for Biden or else Trump will deport all you Muslims, and you'll all deserve it for not voting the candidate who is bombing and starving your family to death!" 4
Specter Posted March 15 Posted March 15 Imagine if they spent a fraction of the time fighting Republicans instead of veering into "xD we're all Americans at the end of the day, truce brunch?" Seema like they've made their priorities clear. The voters will respond accordingly.
ATRL Administrator Ryan Posted March 15 ATRL Administrator Posted March 15 2 hours ago, Gov Hooka said: You’re a ******* clown. You can’t argue because both your comments are complete nonsense and can’t refute the basic facts on what the Biden admin DID do. All y’all do is spew garbage about what Trump *could* do to deflect. The Venn diagram between shitlibs like you who feign concern about deportations (because you already don’t give a **** that Genocide Joe is doing MORE deportations) and then don’t give a **** about Palestinian genocide is a goddamn circle. Just like during the Trump admin the SAME people leading the charge in social movements are the SAME people ringing the alarm for how utterly atrocious the Biden admin and Dems are right now. So I’m not surprised to see your disgusting “reap what you sow” comment about Trump since you can’t even be bothered to reckon with Biden. Enjoy your genocidal trash candidate and party. The rest of us will continue to care about these issues regardless of which colored fascist is in the White House, since we all know folks like you couldn’t be bothered to care either way. You’re right. I live in a blue state so I’ll be fine either way. Fine with my LGBTQ protections, abortion rights, sanctuary cities and medical care for those in need. If you’re still making the argument that they’re both sides of the same coin, you’re the fucking clown bro. So reap what the fuck you sow. 3 2
ATRL Administrator Ryan Posted March 15 ATRL Administrator Posted March 15 1 hour ago, LIT said: The idea that Palestinian Americans, Arab Americans, Muslim Americans, etc. who don't vote for Joe Biden would be "reaping what they sow" in the event of worsened state repression or mass deportations is...pretty sick, honestly. This doesn't seem like a very effective strategy for motivating voters to choose your candidate, either: "Shut up already about the Gaza genocide! Vote for Biden or else Trump will deport all you Muslims, and you'll all deserve it for not voting the candidate who is bombing and starving your family to death!" I’m sorry, does Biden run Israel? Cause I could have sworn they have their own president and government over there.
Communion Posted March 15 Posted March 15 12 minutes ago, Ryan said: I’m sorry, does Biden run Israel? Cause I could have sworn they have their own president and government over there. This line doesn't hold up and it reads as though people who repeat it haven't actually realized what they're arguing. You just have to look at literally any foreign policy to see the contradictions. 1) Does Biden deserve credit for expediting weapons to Ukraine? If so, and the argument is Biden deserves praise cause US weapons save Ukrainian lives, then the inverse is true. That Biden is just as responsibile for every Palestinian life killed by Israel with American weapons. If he's not responsible for blood shed by Israel, neither he nor the US can be given praise for blood not shed in Ukraine. 2) Is Biden the president of Russia? By arguing that Biden has no expectations on him, all sanctions then should be lifted off Russia due to being pointless if the claim is the US can't meaningfully leverage its power against other countries, no? If America can't sanction Israel, then what argument exists for any sanctions to exist? This is why Biden's Zionism will destroy the Democratic Party. It's GWB on steroids. America's loyalty to the Zionist regime state exposes all the contradictions found in American foreign policy and both effectively alienates the US globally and discredits Biden as a leader both around the world and to his people. 7
Gov Hooka Posted March 15 Posted March 15 36 minutes ago, Ryan said: I’m sorry, does Biden run Israel? Cause I could have sworn they have their own president and government over there. Are you being deliberately ignorant or actually this daft? He’s bypassed Congress a couple times to authorize weapons sales, vetoed every ceasefire in the UN, pushed congress to pass increased funding to ISISrael… 3 2
toxicgenie Posted March 15 Posted March 15 (edited) If you're young in your teens or college years I get being idealistic. But after 30, it's time to be realistic. In the US the only viable options for president are Trump or Biden. That's it. Don't be foolish thinking they're the same. Edited March 15 by toxicgenie 1 4
GraceRandolph Posted March 15 Author Posted March 15 9 minutes ago, toxicgenie said: If you're young in your teens or college years I get being idealistic. But after 30, it's time to be realistic. In the US the only viable options for president are Trump or Biden. That's it. Don't be foolish thinking they're the same. 2 1
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