Raptus Posted March 10 Posted March 10 2 minutes ago, JO1s said: Youtube was very small. There was still a general pop culture that people payed attention to during Gaga’s peak. That has shifted majorly and most people live in their own pop culture bubbles. LIES. Youtube was at it's peak in 2012. That's why you have so many MVs with billions views from that time. The way you just keep talking s*** 2
JO1s Posted March 10 Posted March 10 Just now, Raptus said: LIES. Youtube was at it's peak in 2012. That's why you have so many MVs with billions views from that time. The way you just keep talking s*** The fame/fame monster was in 2008-Early 2010. YouTube peaked in 2016 actually too. So you’re just being loud and wrong right now.
vuelve88 Posted March 10 Posted March 10 I voted for Taylor, who won the Album of the Year Grammy for both albums. Congrats to Lady Gaga for winning the People’s Choice Award for the Born This Way album.
Wewee Posted March 11 Posted March 11 16 hours ago, Kayseri Mantisi said: I would say the one that's still relevant in 2024 despite debuting earlier 1
Phaunzie Posted March 11 Posted March 11 Fame Monster, no contest. To all the girls that were alive during that time, know that Gaga was inescapable the moment Bad Romance got released. 2
Windy Day Posted March 11 Posted March 11 this thread reminded me of the way gaga used her peak and immense platform at that time to directly attack the president and the government to abolish that homophobic law and fought for marriage equality phew… love seeing pop stars use their platform for good and not caring about losing a certain demographic!! 4
BrandNewBrandon Posted March 11 Posted March 11 (edited) 15 hours ago, JO1s said: Gaga’s peak felt bigger because most people were watching the same shows listening to the same music and consuming very similar media back in the late 00s early 10s. Taylor doing all she’s doing while the gp isn’t focused on one thing is crazy so I’d say she’s bigger. Nah. Music Television was dead and YouTube was the new go-to platform for content when Gaga arrived. Add to that, Facebook, Myspace, Twitter and LimeWire as the main source of entertainment for young people. And Gaga still managed to become the biggest name in all of entertainment. 17 hours ago, bjorn said: Current Taylor is bigger than the fame gaga. Reason why gagas felt bigger was because it was her debut, and she’d declined ever since. Taylor is the opposite trajectory kisses Not true. Gaga sold 15 million albums and 100 million singles when the vast majority of Latin America, Asia and Eastern Europe were downloading and flooded with piracy. The official numbers from the IFPI are at 95% of consumed music when Gaga was peaking as illegal so obviously she would have even bigger numbers if everything was legal like it is today. If a casual music listener wanted to listen to Gaga's music he could do it via YouTube or Myspace and none of it counted towards her sales. It only counted if he decided to buy the album or songs on iTunes or in stores. Fast forward to today and a casual music listener checking out Taylor's latest single is directly adding units to her overall sales whether it be via YouTube or Spotify. Taylor literally has legal music consumption from every part of the world, practically 100% of the market. Gaga's music sales consisted of Europe, the US, Canada, Australia and Japan. It was lacking the legal consumption from most of Latin America, Asia, Africa, the Middle East and Eastern Europe. There's not a person in Africa that checks out Taylor's music that isn't also adding sales to her total. Gaga didn't have that. Gaga's imperial phase was bigger. Born This Way (the song) was #1 for five weeks from pure sales and radio and no views from the video were counted towards its chart points. That's impressive. Even more impressive is that when the GP and her fans were mass-listening to her music during her imperial phase (when everyone and their mother were checking her music out) NONE of it was counted towards her album units. No matter who listens to Taylor today is added towards her sales. Edited March 11 by BrandNewBrandon 4
fromily Posted March 11 Posted March 11 21 hours ago, bjorn said: Current Taylor is bigger than the fame gaga. Reason why gagas felt bigger was because it was her debut, and she’d declined ever since. Taylor is the opposite trajectory kisses but the post is about tfm/btw eras... what does the fame have to do w it? ofc taylor now is bigger than gaga's debut... the question is whether she's bigger than gaga in her follow up eras which launched her to international superstardom (although tbh i would argue that these specific albums have nothing to do w taylor's current 'imperial' era - it's all the tour and the tv releases as a whole combined w ongoing new releases)
WildHeart Posted March 11 Posted March 11 On 3/10/2024 at 10:12 AM, OreGuy said: Albums: EAS: Gaga: 54M, Taylor: 49M. Daily Taylor - 34.6k (12M yearly) Gaga - 8.6k (3M yearly) 22 hours ago, TouchinFree said: and not exclusive to white women. Neither is Taylor. She just had the biggest female tour ever on Asia and LATAM.
WildHeart Posted March 11 Posted March 11 6 hours ago, Windy Day said: love seeing pop stars use their platform for good and not caring about losing a certain demographic!! We do indeed. I wonder what has changed for Gaga to make her silent lately 3
bjorn Posted March 11 Posted March 11 7 hours ago, BrandNewBrandon said: Nah. Music Television was dead and YouTube was the new go-to platform for content when Gaga arrived. Add to that, Facebook, Myspace, Twitter and LimeWire as the main source of entertainment for young people. And Gaga still managed to become the biggest name in all of entertainment. Not true. Gaga sold 15 million albums and 100 million singles when the vast majority of Latin America, Asia and Eastern Europe were downloading and flooded with piracy. The official numbers from the IFPI are at 95% of consumed music when Gaga was peaking as illegal so obviously she would have even bigger numbers if everything was legal like it is today. If a casual music listener wanted to listen to Gaga's music he could do it via YouTube or Myspace and none of it counted towards her sales. It only counted if he decided to buy the album or songs on iTunes or in stores. Fast forward to today and a casual music listener checking out Taylor's latest single is directly adding units to her overall sales whether it be via YouTube or Spotify. Taylor literally has legal music consumption from every part of the world, practically 100% of the market. Gaga's music sales consisted of Europe, the US, Canada, Australia and Japan. It was lacking the legal consumption from most of Latin America, Asia, Africa, the Middle East and Eastern Europe. There's not a person in Africa that checks out Taylor's music that isn't also adding sales to her total. Gaga didn't have that. Gaga's imperial phase was bigger. Born This Way (the song) was #1 for five weeks from pure sales and radio and no views from the video were counted towards its chart points. That's impressive. Even more impressive is that when the GP and her fans were mass-listening to her music during her imperial phase (when everyone and their mother were checking her music out) NONE of it was counted towards her album units. No matter who listens to Taylor today is added towards her sales. 2008 was different times and climate. I’m not saying Gaga wasn’t HUGE during her debut, I’m just saying that’s when she peaked. Current Taylor, in my opinion has overtaken her in popularity because of the Eras tour and her re-releases. This is Taylor’s peak 18 years into her career, which is what’s most impressive.
bjorn Posted March 11 Posted March 11 10 hours ago, Phaunzie said: Fame Monster, no contest. To all the girls that were alive during that time, know that Gaga was inescapable the moment Bad Romance got released. And Taylor hasn’t been inescapable for a good 2 years now?
Windy Day Posted March 11 Posted March 11 2 hours ago, WildHeart said: We do indeed. I wonder what has changed for Gaga to make her silent lately no no you’re right. the way she was openly against the government and the system for the good of others not so privileged while at her absolute peak and putting her entire career in danger makes it even more disappointing to me
Windy Day Posted March 11 Posted March 11 1 hour ago, bjorn said: And Taylor hasn’t been inescapable for a good 2 years now? according to google, gaga’s peak was higher than taylor’s current peak!
byzantium Posted March 11 Posted March 11 4 minutes ago, Windy Day said: according to google, gaga’s peak was higher than taylor’s current peak! Well if we are being accurate, we have to account for the fact that people engage with google (and YouTube) differently (a lot less) in 2024 than they did in 2010. Like if we are going to contextualize differences in the touring market, we might as well do that for Google trends as well.
bjorn Posted March 11 Posted March 11 42 minutes ago, Windy Day said: according to google, gaga’s peak was higher than taylor’s current peak! So Michael Jackson’s peak was higher than Gaga then in 2009 according to google searches? Just because something was searched for most doesn’t mean it equates to success and popularity.
Windy Day Posted March 11 Posted March 11 1 hour ago, byzantium said: Well if we are being accurate, we have to account for the fact that people engage with google (and YouTube) differently (a lot less) in 2024 than they did in 2010. Like if we are going to contextualize differences in the touring market, we might as well do that for Google trends as well. ppl still mainly use google for internet searches tho let’s not 33 minutes ago, bjorn said: So Michael Jackson’s peak was higher than Gaga then in 2009 according to google searches? Just because something was searched for most doesn’t mean it equates to success and popularity. yes he was?? his death was a defining event that shook the world and the internet itself and caused spike in internet traffic. i wasn’t even a fan and i was young when he died but i remember where i was and i remember the day he died. it was that massive
jijie101 Posted March 11 Posted March 11 44 minutes ago, bjorn said: So Michael Jackson’s peak was higher than Gaga then in 2009 according to google searches? It literally was. Probably the biggest cultural event this century, everyone lived through it would admit it. OT: Taylor has bigger numbers but Gaga was the bigger phenomenon. She was the most followed person on Twitter and Youtube, the most liked on Facebook and the most downloaded artist in the world. She was IT. 1
Mr. Duff Posted March 11 Posted March 11 Taylor obviously. TFM was massive but it's far from the equivalent to Taylor's peak at the moment. Born This Way was a non-event compared to 1989 and Midnights.
byzantium Posted March 11 Posted March 11 49 minutes ago, Windy Day said: ppl still mainly use google for internet searches tho let’s not To ignore the overall decline in google trend traffic though would be willfully obtuse.
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