poll Who is the better songwriter: Mariah or Taylor?

[Devin]

2 minutes ago, feelslikeadream said:

What's with the constant comparison between these two, specifically?

 

 

 

 

 

if ur mad at suburban, make a Moo thread 

 

[dirrtydiana]

Idk why but when Mariah uses words like incessantly, it sounds otherworldly

 

when tay uses words like treacherous, it gives high schooler using thesaurus 

 

Edited February 26 by dirrtydiana

[Xtina23]

Mariah "The MegaTalented Singer Songwriter Legend" Carey

[dirrtydiana]

4 minutes ago, feelslikeadream said:

What's with the constant comparison between these two, specifically?

 

 

 

 

 

Because writing is the one redeemable quality that base clings to as to justify her immense success which feels under-deserved

[BrandNewBrandon]

15 minutes ago, Goaty said:

Melody has always been one of her strengths, even as far back as Fearless

Taylor Swift writes one-note melodies. Never said they weren't one of her strengths but they're not as powerful as Mariah's. 

[Pillz]

Lol any 5th grader could write Taylor's songs

[BrandNewBrandon]

I don't remember the title but my favorite Taylor Swift song in terms of lyrics is the one where she sings about her ex and how he wasn't a good partner. It's mid-tempo and in Mezzo-Soprano. Can someone help me out what song it is? 

[PoisonPill]

I’d love to have an actual good faith conversation about this because it’s interesting to compare these very different writers and artists. But it’s impossible when people pretend that the most intentionally silly and childish lyrics Taylor has ever written is an accurate representation of her career work. Tribal stanism is so dumb.

[x æ a-xii]

corny like fritos > karma is a cat

[James_Dean]

The fact this is even a question is comical...

There's a reason why Mariah was inducted into the Songwriters Hall of Fame.

[Støned]

I’m not really a fan of autobiographical songs and would prefer to listen to songs with a generic message so for me it’s Mariah…

[Moonlight Nation]

I think Taylor Swift is a great songwriter in her own right, with her best compositions being all-around excellent, timeless, and brimming with strong melodic work. But she's been really inconsistent ever since her shift to pop, especially with the flashy 'statement' singles. She's had some baffling misuse of common expressions too ('They say home is where the heart is/But that's not where mine lives'  from "London Boy" being one of the worst offenders). "folklore" and "evermore" were exciting steps towards a new direction and feature some of her most poetic and unique compositions, but I'm personally not a fan of the approach she took when returning to pop with "Midnights", attempting to marry more intricate imagery and unconventional words with digestible pop structures. In my opinion, this has led to some of her clunkiest and most needlessly convoluted songwriting, where the melodies have also suffered in the process. The Vault tracks from "1989" are probably the worst offenders for this, which were obviously at least reworked recently. For me, her current songwriting tendencies have started to feel rather...amateurish, making for a peculiar artistic regression.

 

Meanwhile, Mariah Carey has showcased impressive consistency throughout her career. Some compositions are admittedly much simpler, but it also shows that Mariah knows when to tone it down and to capture a feeling or message at its most universal (see "Hero", "Love Takes Time", and "Can't Let Go"), not to mention her incredible voice plays a crucial role in the delivery and heart of these songs. Like post-"folklore" Taylor, Mariah has historically been known for incorporating unconventional words and poetic imagery in her music, but she does it very tactfully and effortlessly. In addition, Mariah also gets a point for executing humour and tongue-in-cheek lyrics much better than Swift. I don't know, there's an element of authenticity to Mariah's lighthearted and sillier compositions that I find lacking in most of Taylor's songs with this tone.

 

So Mariah Carey gets my vote, but Taylor Swift's best compositions are brilliant and on the level of Mariah's best.

[HappierJealousy]

 

In ATRL it will be Mariah. In the real world nobody knows or cares if Mariah co-writes some of her songs meanwhile Taylor’s self-written third album Speak Now receives universal acclaimed. folklore/evermore and Red including All Too Well are all considered as singer-songwriter’s masterpiece. But the bitter ATRL gays will always use some cute catchy brainless pop songs as an example trying to discredit Taylor’s songwriting ability. I just love how ATRL will always be the opposite of the real world. 

[Stankonia]

45 minutes ago, TayDuaStan said:

Taylor could easily write Obsessed or AIWFCIY but Mariah could never write ATW or a song on the level of the tracks from Folklore or Evermore 

You have to be a special kind of delusional to think that Taylor could pull off a 60's Pop/R&B song à la Phil Spector as well as Mariah did with AIWFCIY She doesn't have the range

[Gladiator]

It is quite disingenuous to imply that all Taylor writes about is childish love stories with corny lyrics. You can make an argument in favor of Mariah without hyper fixating on Me or “karma is a cat” and the fact that Taylor started her career as a love struck teenager so most of her songs are about that when that is not the case anymore. She’s got like 120 released songs and pointing out one song and a single line in a lyric of another is not the argument you think it is. 

Edited February 26 by Gladiator

[Deluxe]

mariah's lyrics: sex, fantasized concept of love, girly af.

tay: breakups, daddy issues, superiority complex, female empowerment, PG yet slightly erotic.

 

both creative and obviously talented. depends on my mood but i currently like taylor as a writer more.

[HappierJealousy]

ATRL can discredit Taylor’s talent everyday but it won’t change the fact that Red (Rolling Stones top 100 greatest album of all time and Pitchfork 9.0) or folklore (MC 88 and Grammy AOTY) are way bigger songwriting peak than Mariah’s entire career. I mean Taylor is the songwriter of all of her songs with over 50 self-written songs which Mariah could only dream  And based on these facts they’re already not comparable cause Taylor has way more songwriters credits for her songs and her overall career is much more acclaimed than Mariah. Some delusional ATRLer here still trying to writing those essay trying to prove why Mariah is better songwriter is just…crazy 

Edited February 26 by HappierJealousy

[The Music Industry]

34 minutes ago, Pillz said:

Lol any 5th grader could write Taylor's songs

^ I'm convinced that people who say things like that only listen to her singles cause...

Edited February 26 by The Music Industry

[The Music Industry]

9 minutes ago, HappierJealousy said:

ATRL can discredit Taylor’s talent everyday but it won’t change the fact that Red (Rolling Stones top 100 greatest album of all time and Pitchfork 9.0) or folklore (MC 88 and Grammy AOTY) are way bigger songwriting peak than Mariah’s entire career. I mean Taylor is the songwriter of all of her songs with over 50 self-written songs which Mariah could only dream  And based on these facts they’re already not comparable cause Taylor has way more songwriters credits for her songs and her overall career is much more acclaimed than Mariah. Some delusional ATRLer here still trying to writing those essay trying to prove why Mariah is better songwriter is just…crazy 

It's the way people here try to make their opinions about her songwriting seem as if they're facts  The way they always talk, one would believe her discography is completely panned, meanwhile she's factually one of the most acclaimed and revered female artist in the industry. It's just funny to me. 

[HappierJealousy]

@Moonlight Nation If you have any problem for any objective existing fact I post here you can directly reply to me, not some shady downvoting cause you don’t know how to fight back. thanks 

 

2 minutes ago, The Music Industry said:

It's the way people here try to make their opinions about her songwriting seem as if they're facts  The way they always talk, one would believe her discography is completely panned, meanwhile she's factually one of the most acclaimed and revered female artist in the industry. It's just funny to me. 

who cares? Everybody now knows ATRL is the opposite of the real world. Taylor will constantly receive universal acclaimed and massive success as well and aiming for her 5th AOTY win in the real life  I hope them hate her more sincerely 

[Jooj]

1 hour ago, TayDuaStan said:

Taylor could easily write Obsessed or AIWFCIY but Mariah could never write ATW or a song on the level of the tracks from Folklore or Evermore 

All Too Well sucks. Mariah has The Roof which is 10 times better, more detailed, mature, etc.

 

Most songs from Butterfly/Daydream are better than the bulk of Folklore and Evermore. Lets not forget Mariah can sing galaxies around Taylor which helps Mariah being better melodically 

[Moonlight Nation]

27 minutes ago, HappierJealousy said:

ATRL can discredit Taylor’s talent everyday but it won’t change the fact that Red (Rolling Stones top 100 greatest album of all time and Pitchfork 9.0) or folklore (MC 88 and Grammy AOTY) are way bigger songwriting peak than Mariah’s entire career. I mean Taylor is the songwriter of all of her songs with over 50 self-written songs which Mariah could only dream  And based on these facts they’re already not comparable cause Taylor has way more songwriters credits for her songs and her overall career is much more acclaimed than Mariah. Some delusional ATRLer here still trying to writing those essay trying to prove why Mariah is better songwriter is just…crazy 

Mariah Carey's entire commercial peak was prior to poptimism and she was associated with vocal powerhouses like Whitney Houston and Céline Dion who famously didn't write their music. No wonder the elitist critic industry of the time, dominated by white dudes with a bias for rock, would not take her seriously as an artist, let alone as a songwriter. Her having a very girly aesthetic and playing up a campy diva persona only made her 'less credible' for these people, plus the fact she's a biracial woman.

 

These days, everything Mariah Carey was discredited for is being praised, so it's unfair to treat Taylor Swift's critical acclaim and industry accolades as 'facts' when she benefitted from a completely different cultural climate. Not to mention these 'prestigious' publications often have their own agendas, with Rolling Stone being infamous for overhyping artists like Taylor Swift and Harry Styles because of biased stans who work for the institution. And the less said about using the corrupt, racist Grammys as 'proof' of quality, the better. Let alone the 2021 ceremony which damn near set up "folklore" 's win by having the secret committees shutting out all proper competition "folklore" should've had (Fiona Apple's "Fetch The Bolt Cutters", Harry Styles' "Fine Line", The Weeknd's "After Hours", Phoebe Bridgers' "Punisher"...).

 

How about you quit the obsession with parroting numbers and meaningless achievements and write real arguments as to why you find Swift to be the better songwriter?

Edited February 26 by Moonlight Nation

[flashfox]

The shake it off songstress 

[Wicked]

At their best I'll take Mariah Carey, I have a preference for Rhythm & Blues songwriting, her melodies and overall compositions are more intricate. I don't really think they're comparable though, different types of 'Pop' music.

 

 

 

[Mohzy]

I prefer a writer who can make good Melodies and hooks. so Mariah >>