Blue Jeans Posted February 25 Posted February 25 The EXTRA level of nerve to claim to “fight against fascism in Ukraine” while the Russian officials are fascist themselves is …. 1
Blue Jeans Posted February 25 Posted February 25 What is this talk about Russia being an Asian country? Ethnic Russians are European and part of Slavs along with countries like Czechia and Croatia. The current Russian regime is both white supremacist and Russian supremacist. They treat neighbors like second class citizens, and there are many racist jokes about Caucasians and Central Asians, let alone Black people. Many Russians don’t want to be associated with Europe anymore and think they are above all. 7
Digitalism Posted February 25 Posted February 25 Most countries have a lot of racist people I think Russia has the most
Specter Posted February 25 Posted February 25 I'm crying at this thread Well I hope they're enjoying Lunar New Year celebrations across Russia right now! That's my takeaway. They're literally next to China right 1
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted February 25 ATRL Moderator Posted February 25 1 hour ago, Dephira said: Do you think it's bad for Russian politicians to compare black people to apes? You can just give a yes/no answer Literally nobody here is refusing to call out anti-Black racism in Russia. People are simply pointing out that this is nothing new in Europe (and Asia). The only discourse has been the pedantic argument about how Russia should or should not be considered part of European culture despite the vast majority of its population residing in Europe. 2 1
Illuminati Posted February 25 Posted February 25 Not the usuals storming this thread with their "but have you condemned the rest of the world for being racist?" arguments to ... defend this obviously terrible tweet 1 1
Communion Posted February 25 Posted February 25 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Illuminati said: Not the usuals storming this thread with their "but have you condemned the rest of the world for being racist?" arguments ...this is literally not what happened. The first post literally condemns racism in Russia! However, the OP clearly wanted to make the topic about some abstract inalienable trait of Russians that make them uniquely racist due to "Russian-ness" and lashed out when the conversation logically evolves into discussions of how ethnic Russians are going to be just as racist as ideologies like white supremacy make other Europeans because they're still Europeans and still white people. If I was someone frustrated with Russia's attempted alliances with countries in the Global South, I'd embrace this discussion that reiterates Russians' whiteness that ultimately make them no different than other Europeans and their capacity for imperialism. It'd actually be self-aware for those who trying to dismantle Russia's "de-nazification" propaganda to make the argument that today's Russian Federation is far removed from the nation that helped fight nazis and today represent much of the worst, European nationalist tendencies found throughout the continent with their fellow far-right allies. To reconcile that there is still white supremacy in Europe but that Russia is often on the side of the nationalist, not someone somehow against it. Ethnic Russians are white Europeans. There is no reality where this is not the case. ..but instead we get "European???? Russians aren't Europeans??? They're Asiatic orcs!". Edited February 25 by Communion 1
bad guy Posted February 25 Posted February 25 One of yes. But when there's countries that actively commit genocide on ethnic minorities without any consequence, or the extreme homogenous societies in Asia that treat black people like second-class citizens, it's hard to say Russia is the worst in the world. While anti-blackness exists all over the West obviously, it's also insidious in many places in the East where even naturally darker skinned people put themselves through physical harm to be lighter just to get treated better. I can't at people getting mad at others for pointing out this fact. This McCarthyism 2.0 is rotting brains 3
ClashAndBurn Posted February 25 Posted February 25 1 hour ago, playwithme said: So, it seems like Hamas supporters like you hate both Jews and African-Americans since you cannot condemn a fascist russian pig for posting an egregiously racist tweet. So, you are fine with racist attacks against Austin because he doesn’t support your favorite terrorist organization? Condemning a racist official in a country you don’t live in and have no means of bringing about accountability for his actions means absolutely nothing. If anyone can and should be condemned in this scenario by Americans on a gay pop forum, it should be Joe Biden for nominating a Raytheon board member to lead the Defense Department regardless of what his race is
Bosque Posted February 25 Posted February 25 27 minutes ago, Bloo said: Literally nobody here is refusing to call out anti-Black racism in Russia. People are simply pointing out that this is nothing new in Europe (and Asia). The only discourse has been the pedantic argument about how Russia should or should not be considered part of European culture despite the vast majority of its population residing in Europe. The user in question has not yet said that comparing black people to apes is bad when Russian politicians do it, let's see if a response is forthcoming
ClashAndBurn Posted February 25 Posted February 25 1 hour ago, playwithme said: Exactly. There’s democratic Asian countries like Japan, South Korea, Mongolia, Taiwan, and there’s autocratic European states like Serbia. I don’t know what Hamas supporters and Kremlin apologists were trying to imply Being Democratic doesn’t stop countries from being deplorably racist. You literally support Israeli soldiers who’ve been streaming their ethnic cleansing atrocities on TikTok, so you have ZERO moral high ground to stand on. 2
John Slayne Posted February 25 Posted February 25 4 hours ago, playwithme said: Of course, you are trying to whitewash fascist russia by bringing up the entire Europe. Name me a single European MP outside russia who is posting egregiously racist stuff on Twitter. as a European from EU, I can tell you that racism is not unique to Russia at all. just because someone isn't (and many fascist MPs throughout Europe actually are) shouting the n-word at the top of their lungs doesn't mean they are not racist. obviously the post in OP is horrible, but it just serves as faux outrage bait so Western countries can pat themselves on the back and point fingers at Russia and feel justified in their hatred of Russia while simultaneously ignoring their own racism. the US (and EU) are currently funding genocide in Gaza, how is that any less racist than the twitter post? all world superpowers are racist 2
Gov Hooka Posted February 25 Posted February 25 30 minutes ago, Dephira said: The user in question has not yet said that comparing black people to apes is bad when Russian politicians do it, let's see if a response is forthcoming You’re being weird… must’ve struck a nerve with calling your brainless insinuation and deflection out earlier What this Russian politician tweeted is bad, there’s no denying it. And it’s very much in line with several statements made by European and US politicians, especially when it comes to their views on Palestinians. now let’s pull up your views on Palestinians, Arabs, Muslims, refugees and see how your little raggedy German boney ass doesn’t fall too far from the tree of European white supremacy… 1 1
Bosque Posted February 25 Posted February 25 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Gov Hooka said: You’re being weird… must’ve struck a nerve with calling your brainless insinuation and deflection out earlier What this Russian politician tweeted is bad, there’s no denying it. And it’s very much in line with several statements made by European and US politicians, especially when it comes to their views on Palestinians. now let’s pull up your views on Palestinians, Arabs, Muslims, refugees and see how your little raggedy German boney ass doesn’t fall too far from the tree of European white supremacy… Which European and US politicians have said that black people are like Apes? Go ahead and pull up those statements of mine where I said that white Europeans are superior to Palestinians, Arabs, Muslims, and refugees. I'm sure you wouldn't be shamelessly lying about something like that Edited February 25 by Dephira
Gov Hooka Posted February 25 Posted February 25 3 minutes ago, Dephira said: Which European and US politicians have said that black people are like Apes? how much time do you have to peruse down every racist statement made by European and US politicians…. Are you deliberately being obtuse and missing the point? anyway you’re deliberately not engaging with this other point in the thread either so I’m just gonna reshare it for ya: 2
Bosque Posted February 25 Posted February 25 Just now, Gov Hooka said: how much time do you have to peruse down every racist statement made by European and US politicians…. Are you deliberately being obtuse and missing the point? anyway you’re deliberately not engaging with this other point in the thread either so I’m just gonna reshare it for ya: Do you have any proof that I ever said that white Europeans are superior to Arabs, Muslims and refugees? And if not, are you gonna leave your shameless lie about it up?
Communion Posted February 25 Posted February 25 14 minutes ago, Dephira said: Which European and US politicians have said that black people are like Apes? Well... It really was a very poor choice of analogy, especially when arguing against busing efforts to help racially integrate schools. :/ 3 1
John Slayne Posted February 25 Posted February 25 wait not there being literal Zionists in this thread trying to speak about racism. baby... look in the mirror 6 1
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted February 26 ATRL Moderator Posted February 26 1 hour ago, Dephira said: Which European and US politicians have said that black people are like Apes? Go ahead and pull up those statements of mine where I said that white Europeans are superior to Palestinians, Arabs, Muslims, and refugees. I'm sure you wouldn't be shamelessly lying about something like that You really should just ask these questions on Google to avoid looking extremely ignorant and daft to America's abject racism. Quote Former Rubio campaign aide compares Obama to ‘Curious George’ Days after actress Roseanne Barr drew fire for comparing a black woman to an ape, a former Republican state legislator is now facing scrutiny for comparing former President Obama to a cartoon monkey. In a since-deleted Facebook post Thursday, former Broward County, Florida, lawmaker and campaign aide to Republican Sen. Marco Rubio (Fla.), Susan Goldstein compared Obama to “Curious George.” The comments were first reported by the Miami New Times. In the post, Goldstein expressed frustrations about Barr’s self-titled show being canceled in response to the racist comment she made about the woman, a former Obama adviser, on Tuesday. “And I truly think Obama resembles the Curious George cartoon, who I think is an adorable character,” Goldstein said in a since-deleted comment. “Curious George that is. That is what my eyes see. And I am not racist, and there is not mean-spirited intent in my observation. But I can’t say it. Double standard.” https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/390327-former-rubio-campaign-aide-compares-obama-to-curious-george/ Quote GOP hopeful not sorry for posts depicting Obamas as monkeys LEXINGTON, Ky. (AP) — A Kentucky Republican state House candidate is refusing to apologize for several Facebook posts depicting President Obama and the first lady as monkeys, but the state GOP chairman has condemned the posts and issued his own apology for them. The posts on Dan Johnson’s Facebook page include a picture of a chimpanzee with the caption “Obama’s baby picture” and a photo that had been altered to give Obama and his wife ape-like features. Johnson’s page also displayed a photo of a young Ronald Reagan feeding a monkey with a bottle with the caption: “Rare photos of Ronald Reagan babysitting Barack Obama in early 1962.” His page also included a post calling Islam a “criminal syndicate.” https://apnews.com/article/90ec82dfca4f45e48628e4ae45b8247f 2
Specter Posted February 26 Posted February 26 1 hour ago, Dephira said: Which European and US politicians have said that black people are like Apes? 1. Reagan: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ronald-reagan-called-african-u-n-delegates-monkeys-call-richard-n1037171 2. DeSantis: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/29/us/politics/desantis-monkey-up-gillum.html 3. Roseanne Barr (): https://variety.com/2018/politics/news/roseanne-valerie-jarrett-1202823816/ Now to Europeans! Based off a quick search: 1. That one Romanian ambassador: https://www.politico.eu/article/romania-recalls-ambassador-kenya-racist-monkey-slur/ 2. The whole ******* Dutch FM: https://www.trtworld.com/europe/dutch-foreign-ministry-apologises-for-institutional-racism-63472 3. Danny Baker (a journo, but still): https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-48212693 Whew! That was a cursed, but very quick google search. I already knew of #1, #2, and #2, #3 on the EU side. Which ones did you learn, sis? 7
dawnettakins Posted February 26 Posted February 26 (edited) The racism and white supremacy in Europe period is something else. They're all in denial about it, and think they're somehow innocent and don't have an issue with it when compared to the US. But the reality is it's even more subtle in Europe, so much so they don't even realize it and think they're progressive and above it and want to look down at the US. At least we try to face it here and force it into the dialogue on this side of the Atlantic. Europe just pretends it isn't there and sweeps it under the rug. Edited February 26 by dawnettakins
Bosque Posted February 26 Posted February 26 (edited) 1 hour ago, Phantom said: 1. Reagan: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ronald-reagan-called-african-u-n-delegates-monkeys-call-richard-n1037171 2. DeSantis: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/29/us/politics/desantis-monkey-up-gillum.html 3. Roseanne Barr (): https://variety.com/2018/politics/news/roseanne-valerie-jarrett-1202823816/ Now to Europeans! Based off a quick search: 1. That one Romanian ambassador: https://www.politico.eu/article/romania-recalls-ambassador-kenya-racist-monkey-slur/ 2. The whole ******* Dutch FM: https://www.trtworld.com/europe/dutch-foreign-ministry-apologises-for-institutional-racism-63472 3. Danny Baker (a journo, but still): https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-48212693 Whew! That was a cursed, but very quick google search. I already knew of #1, #2, and #2, #3 on the EU side. Which ones did you learn, sis? Roseanne Barr and right wing politicians? I’m sure that ATRL users who are extremely concerned about racism have already made many threads about Ronald Regans statements from the 70s. Right? I can’t possibly imagine that they would only make threads about Obama’s third cousin twice removed while fully ignoring racist statements made by Trump and his ilk, right? Edited February 26 by Dephira
Thor Posted February 26 Posted February 26 It is, along with Israel and all of the Western countries.
flower moon Posted February 26 Posted February 26 4 hours ago, Illuminati said: Not the usuals storming this thread with their "but have you condemned the rest of the world for being racist?" arguments to ... defend this obviously terrible tweet them derailing it with off-topic posts and a mod joining in russia is trash wbk
Communion Posted February 26 Posted February 26 (edited) 23 minutes ago, flower moon said: them derailing it with off-topic posts and a mod joining in russia is trash wbk Is there anything particularly egregious in @Bloo as a black man saying Russian anti-blackness has the same characteristics as other European (touchy subject?) types of anti-blackness that makes you (and seemingly @Illuminati) frame his comments as somehow "defending Russian anti-blackness"? Genuinely what do you think is the actual harm of anti-blackness if you're seemingly upset at people finding Russian anti-blackness disturbing and upsetting but not in a way that would suggest it is teleologically different from any other type of anti-blackness found in other non-black societies of Europe and Asia? Is the desire here to make people view Russian xenophobia to other Europeans as.. equal to greater European anti-blackness? Why would someone ever take the observation that all Europeans are capable of anti-blackness as somehow attempting to disqualify the reality that they also can be needlessly cruel and nationalist to one another (as Russia is doing to Ukraine), which is seemingly the issue many of you have taken? Edited February 26 by Communion
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