base talk Britney and JLo are the last to not be taken seriously

[shyboi]

Just now, Moonlight Nation said:

How pathetic to use "16 CARRIAGES" 's performance as a drag when the other half of the double release rose to #1 this week, marking Beyoncé's 9th chart-topper in a span of 20 years (which extends to 25 years when considering her first #1 with Destiny's Child).

 

I adore Britney Spears, but diamond albums and record sales aren't the only factors determining an artist's success and legacy.

 

why dragging Britney in order to make a point? just ignored the haters

[Cap87]

5 minutes ago, Moonlight Nation said:

How pathetic to use "16 CARRIAGES" 's performance as a drag when the other half of the double release rose to #1 this week, marking Beyoncé's 9th chart-topper in a span of 20 years (which extends to 25 years when considering her first #1 with Destiny's Child).

 

I adore Britney Spears, but diamond albums and record sales aren't the only factors determining an artist's success and legacy.

Where is Beyonce diamond albums?

[Mitsouko]

Because they're among the least talented, and their contributions to the culture are among the least important Easy

[Storm653]

1 hour ago, Cap87 said:

Britney has sold way more records

 

2 diamond albums

 

Where is Beyonce diamond albums

 

 

Britney went Diamond twice in the peak of album sales though.  She peaked early and saw a steady decline in CD sales beyond 2001.

 

Beyonce has basically outsold her as a solo act since 2003 when she first debuted. And she's stayed relevant as a music act for far longer. Even Britney's feature for Elton John didn't catch as much of a buzz or virality as Cuff It or Texas Hold Em. 

 

Also, DC's breakout album which also dropped in 99 sold 7-8 million albums too. 

 

In the grand scheme of things, having strong longevity and remaining a massive touring force is going to lead to a bigger legacy than going Diamond twice in 99-00, 25 years ago......

 

 

[dawnettakins]

Oof, the strom that ensued!

 

If there's one artist atrl is delusional af and extra sensitive about, it's Britney.

[Pheromosa]

Britney fans mimicking their fave in all the wrong ways in this thread 

Edited February 27 by Pheromosa

[mrstephen91]

On 2/23/2024 at 4:19 PM, Eternium said:

Britney openly dragged the Grammy’s and rejected them when they came to HER with an award. Let’s not act like she’s ever been there begging for awards like some artists. She’s never bought them and probably never will.

This!! Meanwhile people want to say Beyoncé this Beyoncé that, while she has to buy every single award she owns. 

[SuperCiC1]

Eternium the legend that you are. 

[Disconnect]

16 hours ago, Inverted said:

Please stick to facts, not Internet fan fiction you saw on Twitter and YouTube. Jennifer Lopez has never "stolen" anyone's vocals or songs. Credited backup vocalists that are generously used on hooks is not theft. And you can't "steal" a song. Songs are shopped and sold by writers and producers.

 

[Disconnect]

 

[Inverted]

2 minutes ago, Disconnect said:

 

You haven't contradicted anything I said.

 

[Disconnect]

1 minute ago, Inverted said:

You haven't contradicted anything I said.

 

 

 

 

[Inverted]

7 minutes ago, Disconnect said:

 

 

 

Nice try. Fan fiction videos made by stans and a news report about Mariah being mad because Tommy recycled the "Firecracker" sample she wanted (not stolen; 14 other music acts sampled the same exact song that she didn't own) doesn't contradict anything I said.

Again, here are the isolated vocals from "I'm Real (Murder Remix)". It sounds EXACTLY the same as the final version except without Ashanti's backup on the words "I'm real" and "yeah yeah" during the hook. So much for the lies in the videos above saying that Ashanti sings the whole song and her back was "stolen" even though she'd credited as a backup vocalist on the liner notes.

Again, please stick to facts, not mis/disinformation you read on the Internet. Thank you.

 

 

 

[Disconnect]

1 minute ago, Inverted said:

Nice try. Fan fiction videos made by stans and a news report about Mariah being mad because Tommy recycled the "Firecracker" sample she wanted (not stolen; 14 other music acts sampled the same exact song that she didn't own) doesn't contradict anything I said.

Again, here are the isolated vocals from "I'm Real (Murder Remix)". It sounds EXACTLY the same as the final version except without Ashanti's backup on the words "I'm real" and "yeah yeah" during the hook. So much for the lies in the videos above saying that Ashanti sings the whole song and her back was "stolen" even though she'd credited as a backup vocalist on the liner notes.

Again, please stick to facts, not mis/disinformation you read on the Internet. Thank you.

 

 

 

Yeah yeah gurl.

 

Go and cry with JLO's Grammys, oh wait... 

[Inverted]

1 minute ago, Disconnect said:

Yeah yeah gurl.

 

Go and cry with JLO's Grammys, oh wait... 

So again, you can't debunk any of my points with actual facts. And then you have to resort to deflecting. Thank you.

 

Edited February 27 by Inverted

[Disconnect]

1 minute ago, Inverted said:

So again, you can't debunk any of my points with actual facts. And then you have to resort to deflecting. Thank you.

 

Even if she never stole any vocals (which she did), she is still a terrible singer with no originality, therefore she shouldn't be respected AS A SINGER. Like I said.

 

If you're unable to accept that you're just delusional tbh. 

[Inverted]

1 minute ago, Disconnect said:

Even if she never stole any vocals (which she did), she is still a terrible singer with no originality, therefore she shouldn't be respected AS A SINGER. Like I said.

 

If you're unable to accept that you're just delusional tbh. 

I don't care about your opinion about her singing and whether she's respected or not. That's irrelevant. This is a pop music forum. Pop music is not "respected" in general and the Grammys are not a respected award. There's nothing wrong with enjoying meaningless bops. That's what pop music is.

 

This dispute is about your claim that she "stole" vocals. And no, she didn't no matter how many times you respond saying so; you haven't provided any real proof nor have you debunked any of the actual facts I provided (like actual vocals stems). If anyone is "delusional," it's you since you're a fan of spewing mis/disinformation. It's scary that you believe fan-fueled "facts" over actual album liner notes and vocal stems.

 

[Disconnect]

18 minutes ago, Inverted said:

I don't care about your opinion about her singing and whether she's respected or not. That's irrelevant. This is a pop music forum. Pop music is not "respected" in general and the Grammys are not a respected award. There's nothing wrong with enjoying meaningless bops. That's what pop music is.

 

This dispute is about your claim that she "stole" vocals. And no, she didn't no matter how many times you respond saying so; you haven't provided any real proof nor have you debunked any of the actual facts I provided (like actual vocals stems). If anyone is "delusional," it's you since you're a fan of spewing mis/disinformation. It's scary that you believe fan-fueled "facts" over actual album liner notes and vocal stems.

 

There's plenty of proof in those videos, you just choose not to believe in those arguments which is your own choice. 

 

She did steal the sample from Mariah's song and used it for "I'm Real".

[Johnny Cash]

It's not surprising since their music is made for them and they can't even sing. Zero artistic contribution to the songs they release. Whenever they manage to release something good, it's because of the producers who are the real artists behind their work.

 

The gays love some cute choreography and colorful outfits though, so there's that

[ACaseOfBlues]

You never know, maybe J Lo could garner Oscar buzz again for Kiss of the Spider Woman, which will be directed by Bill Condon.

Chita Rivera won a Tony for the same role in the stage musical.

[Inverted]

10 hours ago, Disconnect said:

There's plenty of proof in those videos, you just choose not to believe in those arguments which is your own choice. 

 

She did steal the sample from Mariah's song and used it for "I'm Real".

None of those videos are proof. I choose to believe in facts, not things people make up on the Internet. In fact, I even linked you the isolated vocals of "I'm Real (Murder Remix)," which all those fan videos you posted accuse J.Lo of not singing; I provided clear AUDIBLE proof that J.Lo sings the WHOLE song and you completely ignored it... which is definitely your own choice and a very questionable one. Regardless of what you ignore and choose to believe, it's also a fact that ALL the backup singers used on those songs mentioned in those videos are credited, not "stolen" or uncredited "ghost" vocals. Please make an attempt to provide actual proof to contradict me instead of finding fan videos as "evidence." I'll start. I can easily find the album liner notes that clearly display the names of every single session singer used as backup on the hooks of older J.Lo hits and find quotes of BGV singers who confirm that they sing background and are credited. See below.*

 

And nice try again with the warped "facts." A sample that Mariah didn't own or create cannot be "stolen" from her. What happened is that Mariah wanted that sample for her own track (Loverboy) and Tommy recycled the idea for the original version of "I'm Real". Over 10 other acts also sampled the same song in that year. But I guess Mariah owned the sample according to you? At least make a proper argument. The idea was definitely copied the label and recycled for another label act.

 

*Exhibit A: Natasha Ramos who sings backup on "Jenny From the Block" (and other songs on This is Me... Then) confirms that nothing was "stolen" from her and that she only sings background, not lead. She also confirms that Jennifer laid down vocals for the the entire song.

 

 

*

 

 

Exhibit B:  Notice that Ashanti Douglas is credited as a background vocalist (for singing "yeah yeah" and "I'm real" with J.Lo on the hook)? And Christina Milian is credited (for singing hook of "Play" while J.Lo ad libs)?

 

 

Exhibit C: Even Ja Rules confirms that Ashanti sings backup on the two Murder remixes, NOT lead:

 

 

 

Exhibit D: Y'anna Crawley confirms she sings BACKUP on the hook of "Get Right" (and she's actually blended with another backup singer named Rudaina Haddad and J.Lo herself). These names are all on the liner notes and Y'anna confirms that she was hired and paid well for her work.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Jay07]

17 hours ago, Mitsouko said:

Because they're among the least talented, and their contributions to the culture are among the least important Easy

Britney Spears, THE defining popstar of her generation who is to this day cited almost daily as an influence by artists far and wide, unimportant?

 

Delusion, convince yourself.

[HardBambi]

On 2/24/2024 at 12:22 AM, suburbannature said:

Why would JLo be taken seriously as a singer when she’s not even taken seriously in her primary job 

Such a hater, like mimi like lamb

[Lana Banana]

1 hour ago, Jay07 said:

Britney Spears, THE defining popstar of her generation who is to this day cited almost daily as an influence by artists far and wide, unimportant?

 

Delusion, convince yourself.

Thanks for putting that other member in place. 

[insomniac]

On 2/24/2024 at 3:59 AM, Happylittlepunk said:

You should’ve removed Britney and add in Katy instead. All these girls have created fun music but it’s clear that JLO along with Katy are probably the least respected pop girls in the last 20 years.  Both have no impact or influence. Both have had a lot commercial success but nobody d running to cite them as inspiration. 

What Hispanic figures have you grown up admiring?

Beyonce: “Well, definitely Jennifer Lopez. I completely admire her story of growing up in the Bronx and the success that she's had and the empire she's created. She's a very intelligent woman. She's unbelievably beautiful and talented.”

https://peopleenespanol.com/article/beyonces-latin-soul/

 

Beyonce @ 3:22 : “Working with Jennifer Lopez. I met her years ago and I was really excited, and I am still excited, that I’m getting to work with her”.





Beyoncé @ 37:20: “I love J.Lo. I am not comparing my booty to J.Lo’s”











During an MTV tres segment on J.Lo @ 0:20:

 

Taylor Swift:

“[J.Lo] you are absolutely an icon and to me you embody the kind of woman that seems to really have figured out a way to have it all. Like, it's unbelievable you have somehow managed to stay looking the same age for 20 years. I need to know how you did that. You've elevated your music and your dancing every single, year you're constantly challenging yourself raising your game. You're this bigshot businesswoman who knows what she wants and gets it, but you're also really warm and kind and sweet to people that it doesn't really benefit you to be sweet to. You're just nice to people and that was what I witnessed when you came out to my show at Staples Center and were kind enough to surprise my audience and singing Jenny from the block. And the fact that you still are that girl is what I'm most proud of you for”

 

 

““When I was a little girl, you know you have your favorite song that you just would play over and over and over again and just blast it in your room, and you’d sing in front of your mirror into a hair brush?” Swift asked the crowd, just before the 2002 hit’s intro started pounding and J. Lo rose from a glittering platform behind the stage. “Los Angeles, this is my hair brush song.”

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/taylor-swift-sings-jenny-from-the-block-with-jennifer-lopez-172918/

 

Barbra Streisand:

Lady Gaga:

”[Jennifer Lopez] You're an inspiration to so many. Thank you not only for everything you continually do for women, but for the force of nature you've been for so many all over the world. I think about me and my best friend who's here tonight, right there. I've known her since I was four years old. Beautiful adopted woman from Korea. And how throughout high school, we danced and we sang, imitating Jennifer. Imitating you while we strengthened our bond. Her name is Bo. And wearing white bandanas and hoop earrings draped over caramel colored hair. You brought us so much joy. Where are you? You brought us so much joy. On the train, I thought about you. And how the **** I was gonna get off that train. She loved you so much we even gave her the nickname, J-Bo. No for real. Like, we called her that all the time. There is not a doubt in my mind that you will be loved forever as the powerhouse of a performer and woman that you are. Thank you for making so many memories for me and my friends that I will cherish forever in my heart.
Thank you so much.” 

Adele:

 

“I went to see Adele in Vegas tonight and when she was chatting with the audience about what she did during the week she said she has to see “the new JLo movie” [This Is Me… Now: A Love Story], that she wants to see it”

https://forum.beyond-beautiful.com/this-is-me-now-a-love-story-out-now-on-prime-video-t55148-s950.html#p1326099

Adele’s house party where she’s acting like the “DJ” to put on J.Lo:

https://www.instagram.com/p/COJp15SDLMs/?igsh=czB5ZjU2ZzY5NHB2
 

Shania Twain:

“I love Jennifer Lopez,” Twain professes. “She’s got to be one of the hardest-working women in the music industry. She’s stunning, both as a performing artist and as an actress. I love watching her in movies. I want to see every movie that Jennifer’s in. She’s such an incredible dancer. I think Jennifer is a super role model because she just does it all.”
https://americansongwriter.com/shania-twain-raves-about-selena-gomez-and-jennifer-lopez/
 

Becky G:
You've said that you dream of becoming the next J. Lo. You even recorded your own version of "Jenny From the Block" ("Becky From the Block") which again, is an anthem to your roots. J. Lo will also be performing at the iHeartRadio Fiesta Latina next week. Will this be your first time meeting her?
"Doesn't every Latina want to be the next J. Lo? J. Lo has always been my idol. I could only hope to be blessed like she has been in her career. I've been lucky enough to have met her and she is a wonderful person. She's given me great advice and she's has been nothing but sweet to me. I truly admire her. I'm looking forward to seeing her again and having a blast with her and everyone while I’m there. " - Source.

Kim Kardashian:
"Never in my life would I have imagined that my idol would want to come have a movie night with me. My inspiration for everything has been Jennifer Lopez. I would try and see what shoes she'd wear, what makeup, what hair — I became obsessed with glam because of Jennifer. I never would have imagined this would have been my life. I always fangirl for her. Dreams do come true, guys!" - Source.

Ciara:
"I don't have many style icons, but someone I do love is Jennifer Lopez, she always looks great, she's amazing. I would love to have my own fragrance like she does, I want to do everything. I want to be one of those entrepreneur-type people who does a bit of everything." - Source.
 

Naomi Campbell:
In fact, the supermodel, who's known for her stunning beauty, says J.Lo is her No. 1 celebrity girl crush.
"I have to say Jennifer Lopez because she's so beautiful and so stunning. I'm a huge fan. Great friend and a huge fan. She deserves it. I love Jennifer. I think she's an amazing singer, actress, designer, mother.'' - Source.

 

 

 Britney Spears:

”J.Lo is my idol” 

http://uk.omg.yahoo.com/news/madonna-britney-spears-reveals-jennifer-lopez-39-idol-120632405.html

 

“I'm such a huge fan of yours [J.Lo] and I wish nothing but love and happiness to you in the future”
 

“J.Lo—Lord, she’s so inspiring”

https://www.instagram.com/p/CRpNkWthu0N/?igsh=c3M1eTlhYW5qMnN5
 

Britney referencing J.Lo:

https://www.instagram.com/p/ChL26XEsHG2/?igsh=MXYxY2M4ZTEyazNlbg==

and again:  https://remezcla.com/music/britney-spears-jennifer-lopez-jlo-instagram-post-conservatorship/?amp
and again:

https://www.eonline.com/news/1313202/britney-spears-finally-addresses-that-2003-diane-sawyer-interview-and-what-shed-say-now

 

Xtina:

Janet Jackson:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C2Of7rPuJ4i/?igsh=MTRoc2s4ZTFmeGR5eA==
 

Was there anybody that inspired you when you were growing up? 

Normani:

“I’ve always been into entertainment. When I was growing up, my first love was actually dance, which led me into singing. I loved putting on a show for people, I don’t care if it was in my grandmother’s living room or outside on the porch. I performed for the neighborhood people, but I always have been into performing. I love it and it’s something that happens to me every time I get on that stage and just feel like I’m at home. I really look up to Beyoncé, I love Janet Jackson, Michael Jackson, Jennifer Lopez...I’m all about entertainment because I feel like people should come to a show and experience something that they’ve never felt before.”

https://web.archive.org/web/20180622084057/https://vmagazine.com/article/normani-finally-stepping/

 

Demi Lovato:

”She’s such a strong, confident woman that she’s really helped me with learning that stuff and she’s just such an inspirational person and so empowering and if there’s anybody that’s super radiant and confident, it’s her”

https://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/music/demi-lovato-inspired-by-jennifer-lopez/

Rita Ora:

“I chose to do multiple things like TV and movies. I kind of can’t go back now. I really actually enjoy it. One of my biggest inspirations [besides] Beyonce, is Jennifer Lopez. She’s really hard-working. I see how much she does and I’m like, ‘I want to do that!’”

https://web.archive.org/web/20230217220440/https://apnews.com/article/aa11c32f41644b8eb5071c7f2887bb83

Who is one of the people in the industry that has really impacted or inspired you in your career?

Bebe Rexha: “I mean, so many people. You know what. I have always been a fan of J.Lo, and I saw her live [in Vegas], which was honestly incredible. I just think of her as a performer, I just, I—her endurance. I just think she’s incredible!”

 

 

Which artists inspire and make her better:

Gwen Stefani:

“I’ve always looked up to her [Lopez] in the sense that we’re exactly the same age and I remember when No Doubt was first coming out and she hadn’t done ‘Jenny from The Block’ yet, but she had that song out, ‘Waiting for Tonight’,” Stefani recalled. “At the time I was working with Prince and he started comparing me and Jennifer. “I didn’t even see how I was in the same category with her,” she revealed. “She was Jennifer Lopez and I was in a band called No Doubt (laughs). But now here we are both doing these residencies all these years later, and we’ve known each other through the years. She’s always invited me to her kids’ birthday parties and things like that. She is a crazy work[horse].” Speaking of JLo’s Vegas residency, Stefani paid close attention to how the “On The Floor” singer crafted her shows.

“I was studying the production of her show. The show was incredible, and she works so hard on stage,” explained Stefani. “When I came backstage to talk to her afterwards, she comes out of the dressing room looking like a Barbie doll. She was breathtaking on stage, but when you see her up close, it’s like, ‘What?! It’s not possible. You are so gorgeous!'”

https://web.archive.org/web/20180525133621/https://etcanada.com/news/330123/gwen-stefani-admits-im-obviously-at-the-end-of-my-journey-of-being-a-musician/

 

Kelly Clarkson:

”J.Lo I have always been a big fan of. Not only musically, but personally she’s just a nice person. So I love that”

another time “OMG J.Lo, I am a fan of hers since she was a Fly Girl.”

 

Shakira:

”She [J.Lo] is a champion in everything that she does”. 
and when asked What makes J.Lo such an icon?

”She is a hard worker. She has put out great music and I think those are very powerful reasons”.
 

 

Cardi B:

”I was very honored for one of my idols to feature me in [her song]. My baby J.Lo.

 

 

Selena Gomez:

”I wanted to tell [J.Lo] how much you inspired me tonight!!! I haven’t felt that free in my entire life … I just want to tell you how amazing God thinks you are. He was speaking to me through your show tonight!! Like made me feel like such a woman!!”

https://www.feelingthevibe.com/news/selena-gomez-sends-instagram-message-to-jlo-after-inspiring-concert-in-las-vegas-read-the-note/

 

Dua Lipa:

”[J.Lo] is incredible. She’s a pop queen.”

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/tBXG3RXeC3T9rgGt/?mibextid=UalRPS

https://www.instagram.com/p/CsnsE7BKsyn/?igsh=MTRhdnZwZmFmaGRwag==

Ariana Grande: “I love J.Lo”

“What about the J.Lo song that’s so good. Que Hiciste”

 

And there’s many more who love, respect her and cite her as inspiration. 

 

As for impact. She has been credited as being the first female artist to create a successful empire (#1 album, #1 film, #1 single, top selling perfume and a best selling clothing line and within the same year). Which also paved the way for other artists to create their own successful brands.

 

Her performances in "Selena", "Out of Sight", "Hustlers" have recieved acclaim for her role. Not to mention, other films that were successful and have become cult classics with the GP ("Enough", "Maid In Manhattan", "Monster In Law"). "Selena" itself has been included in the National Film Registry that list films that are culturally, historically or aesthetically significant for preservation by motion picture studios, the Library of Congress or filmmakers.

 

As far as cultural impact. J.Lo inspired the creation Google image search and the reason why you can search photos on the daily of your faves. "At the time, it was the most popular search query we had ever seen, but we had no surefire way of getting users exactly what they wanted: J-Lo wearing that dress’, explained Eric Schmidt, executive chairman of Google. For that reason, he explained ‘Google Image Search was born.’

 

She's been in the game longer than ATRL members have been alive, 30 years and counting.

 

Some people (certain fanbases) may not like her due to false narratives created by the internet, and other things that happened behind the scenes. But the GP adores her as an actress and a performer, and her box office, movie streaming and touring numbers still showcase that. Let's not kid ourselves, in another 30 years from now people will still know who Jennifer Lopez is. It's not so much her material that makes her a legend (although she's had iconic roles and music), but her ability to break the mould and barriers, influence, inspire and still remain relevant all these years. She is both a legend and an icon in my opinion, a rarity in entertainment. And even if you still don't believe so, she will certainly die a legend since her career shows zero signs of slowing down.

 

To diminish her impact and influence or say she inspired no one / no one cites her doesn’t make one bit of sense! The J.Lo hate-train is bandwagon hate, fueled by more silly sheep following the herd. It’s getting tired. Come up with something new.