base talk Britney and JLo are the last to not be taken seriously

[Tropez]

In the last 15 years, there has been a shift in pop music as a “legitimate genre”. What I mean is pop artists have started to be taken as serious artists by critics and the GP. Before 2009, pop artists were seen as nothing but corporate trash who have no talent, inauthentic, and commercial over substance. 
 

Most people in 2009 probably couldn’t imagine artists like Taylor, Gaga, Beyoncé, Dua, Rihanna, Billie, etc being showered with Grammy’s, critical acclaim, prestige from the GP or even an Oscar. Getting something like a Grammy was far, far more harder for a pop artist in a few fields a few years ago. 
 

But JLo, and Britney won’t be serious Grammy contenders any time soon. You would think someone with JLo’s various abilities, would be a strong EGOT potential. But no one can imagine JLo being a EGOT winner. 
 

 

[Marry The Gods]

I like Britney and J.Lo for their fun pop music. Not everything has to be deep. 

[Josh]

Britney sweetie I'm so sorry that you were compared to JLo.

 

In The Zone alone is better than anything JLo released musically

[Erreur2 La Nature]

Your fave’s last album (and all of her 20 most recent singles) all failed to chart. If someone isn’t being taken seriously, it’s her 

[Tropez]

5 minutes ago, Erreur2 La Nature said:

Your fave’s last album (and all of her 20 most recent singles) all failed to chart. If someone isn’t being taken seriously, it’s her 

Who’s fave? 

[John Slayne]

JLo has some good songs in her discography but we need to be honest, her albums are mostly subpar. She's a great entertainer and a better actress than most pop girls, but musically she just isn't on the same quality level as Gaga, Beyonce, Rihanna, or Britney.

[Tropez]

1 minute ago, John Slayne said:

JLo has some good songs in her discography but we need to be honest, her albums are mostly subpar. She's a great entertainer and a better actress than most pop girls, but musically she just isn't on the same quality level as Gaga, Beyonce, Rihanna, or Britney.

You can’t put Britney in the same level as Beyoncé. Beyoncé washes her is almost every aspect. As I said, this is something the GP, critics, and even the the stan world can agree on. 

[John Slayne]

1 minute ago, Tropez said:

You can’t put Britney in the same level as Beyoncé. Beyoncé washes her is almost every aspect. As I said, this is something the GP, critics, and even the the stan world can agree on. 

In The Zone and Blackout wash JLo though and are better than even some Beyonce albums, so if you are bold enough to put Britney and JLo on the same level, I can disagree.

[Eternium]

17 minutes ago, Tropez said:

 

But JLo, and Britney won’t be serious Grammy contenders any time soon.

 

Britney openly dragged the Grammy’s and rejected them when they came to HER with an award. Let’s not act like she’s ever been there begging for awards like some artists. She’s never bought them and probably never will.

[Great808]

You could definitely throw Rihanna in there as well actually. The common denominator for all of them being their sheer absence of real musical talent. I know that’s not something a particular fan group of one of those girls like to hear but it is true. 

[suburbannature]

Why would JLo be taken seriously as a singer when she’s not even taken seriously in her primary job 

[Eternium]

3 minutes ago, Tropez said:

You can’t put Britney in the same level as Beyoncé. Beyoncé washes her is almost every aspect. As I said, this is something the GP, critics, and even the the stan world can agree on. 

Beyonce will never be forward-thinking with an album and that’s what holds her back compared to an artist like Britney. You can buy Grammys and you can buy magazine reviews, but you can’t buy genuine impact.
 

Britney’s formula is still closely followed today and she has some of the most impactful eras ever. Beyoncé’s a great artist and incredibly talented, but she doesn’t have the same impact and is always chasing trends instead of setting them (running to Spanglish in 2007, getting on the house/gay lingo trend in 2022, etc.). 

[XDNA]

Katy Pery is also not taken seriously as an artist. And Nicole Sherzer (SP?), Rita Ora, i'm sure there's more.

Edited February 24 by XDNA

[Tudors]

There's enough Jennifer Lopez hate on the internet. Go after the other one

[dumbsparce]

Britney's last album was released back when Taylor was the only pop girl consistently getting Grammys. Wtf are you talking about. If she ever decides to make another album just as good as Glory was she could get a pop nomination. 

 

Beyonce's grammys are either paid for or pity awards so she's irrelevant to this discussion.

Edited February 24 by dumbsparce

[Disconnect]

I think JLO should never be respected as a singer.

 

She has literally stolen other people's vocals and songs and she became famous thanks to Selena so...

Edited February 24 by Disconnect

[Tropez]

2 minutes ago, John Slayne said:

In The Zone and Blackout wash JLo though and are better than even some Beyonce albums, so if you are bold enough to put Britney and JLo on the same level, I can disagree.

And those are great albums. But overall career, you cannot put Britney in the same league as Beyoncé. Taylor has already passed her, and is obviously seen as a more serious and acclaimed artist. Rihanna and Britney both last released albums in 2016. But the world is on the edge of their seat for Rihanna’s album, and not Britney’s. 
 

Britney and JLo are in the same boat. Two artists that were great performers who didn’t have the best vocals. But today in 2024, if Britney were to release an album she wouldn’t even be sweeping  any Grammy noms. People wouldn’t speak about the album in public on the level they would with a Taylor album drop. 
 

1 minute ago, Eternium said:

Britney openly dragged the Grammy’s and rejected them when they came to HER with an award. Let’s not act like she’s ever been there begging for awards like some artists. She’s never bought them and probably never will.

Yeah, because she tends to lose or not get nominated. I am sure she would’ve been thrilled had she won Best New Artist like she wanted. The award is still seen as something desired by artists because they are voted by their peers. It’s not some fan voted award like the Teen Choice Awards which she tends to win. 

[Tropez]

6 minutes ago, XDNA said:

Katy Pery is also not taken seriously as an artist. And Nicole Sherzer (SP?), Rita Ora, i'm sure there's more.

You’re right. I can add Katy too. The other two are insignificant. Katy is another artist that had huge success, but didn’t transition to respectable artist. Katy is seen as a joke artist to the GP. 

[John Slayne]

7 minutes ago, Tropez said:

Britney and JLo are in the same boat.

Britney would 100% do more than 7M Spotify streams first week 

 

daily streams on Spotify:

Britney - 5.813

JLo - 3.085 (and she just released a whole new album last week)

 

how are they in the same boat?

Edited February 24 by John Slayne

[wigglytuffer]

I actually wrote my dissertation at university on a topic similar to this. I explored female entertainers and what they need to do in order to attain critical and commercial success, and J.Lo and Britney were both chapters of it. I won't go into the full deets of it but the conclusion I found was we viewed J.LO and Britney spears to be entertainment 'entities' to please us, whereas the likes of the Adele's and Beyonce's we were in awe of them. They weren't to 'please' us, we came to see their talent. Therefore critically, J.LO and Britney never got the respect they deserved.

I would def agree adding Rih and Katy in the mix too! Cultural legends of the 2000s but Critical snubs

[Tropez]

5 minutes ago, John Slayne said:

Britney would 100% do more than 7M Spotify streams first week 

 

daily streams on Spotify:

Britney - 5.813

JLo - 3.085 (and she just released a whole new album last week)

 

how are they in the same boat?

They are not seen as respected artists. That’s the point of the thread. 

[Saint James]

britney would definitely get nominated if she returned with more mature music

[kexin]

19 minutes ago, Eternium said:

Beyoncé’s a great artist and incredibly talented, but she doesn’t have the same impact and is always chasing trends instead of setting them (running to Spanglish in 2007, getting on the house/gay lingo trend in 2022, etc.). 

J.Lo being ahead of the curve a decade ago

 

[Tropez]

Just now, wigglytuffer said:

I actually wrote my dissertation at university on a topic similar to this. I explored female entertainers and what they need to do in order to attain critical and commercial success, and J.Lo and Britney were both chapters of it. I won't go into the full deets of it but the conclusion I found was we viewed J.LO and Britney spears to be entertainment 'entities' to please us, whereas the likes of the Adele's and Beyonce's we were in awe of them. They weren't to 'please' us, we came to see their talent. Therefore critically, J.LO and Britney never got the respect they deserved.

I would def agree adding Rih and Katy in the mix too! Cultural legends of the 2000s but Critical snubs

I think this is a better way of saying it than I am. Very clearly Britney and JLo are talented. But when you put them next to Adele, Beyoncé and Taylor. Britney and JLo are diminished. If you were to grab a sample size of random people off the street and ask them who they think is most talented and admirable. Adele and Beyoncé would top that list. 

[kexin]

2 minutes ago, Tropez said:

They are not seen as respected artists. That’s the point of the thread. 

I mean so many publications upon artists have been outspoken for her impqct in pop music, I fail to see how she is not respected. On top of that, an overwhelming majority supported her to be removed of her conservatorship.